Just curious...

What's the point in looking or sounding good if you haven't got the guts to back it up....

Just my opinion of course...

Dont ask me...

I think all 3 should come as a package, if we're honest about it

i pick Performance every time

I pick looks everytime...

whats the point doing 0-60 in 5 secs ... everyone will just see a blur... look good, drive slow, lovin' in

[quote name='Yarisboy' date='Jul 20 2003, 11:02 PM'] I think all 3 should come as a package, if we're honest about it [/quote]

I'm happy with a good performing but inconspicuous car.

I agree... the package as a whole is important...

If your only interested in pure performance, IMHO buy a bike...

Me.. I'll stick to a good-looking standard motor

wrap all three together and you have the perfect mixture for good solid motoring and turning a few heads while your doing it..........but at the end of the day its all down to personal choice and if we all liked the same things the world would be a boring place........

thus signs off the philosipher

It depends on your cercumstances, I would of course agree and say yes we should all have 700bhp supra's/(insert your personal fav here) with flip tone jap bodykits, all the toys, and a couple of well foxy girlies in the back, but not all of us can afford/insure/run a car like this.

I spent a couple of years running around in a 1.0 Yaris, much like Yarisboy is now, because I couldnt insure anything else, now I can just about insure my TSport, which has pretty good performance for what it is, looks pretty good, but while I had the GS - i made sure it looked pretty good and sounded good to (stereo that is), because that I could do, even if I couldnt get the performance sorted.

The other night I went out to laff at the Maxheads scremaing round the broadmarsh in nottingham. After getting board of watching rusty saxo's and fiestas with their drivers interested in nothing more than getting chased down the street by their overly loud and rather silly sounding exhausts, I ended up parked up with a Scooby in the layby, the guy was well interested in the car as he hadn't seen one before - he was a bit of a rasta and said my head unit was "POISON". It made my night really to talk to someone on the same level, he obviously liked the car, and the effort I had put into the mods, regardless of the fact he would have beaten me hands down in a race. I guess thats what I like about the Jap Scene, people respect you for the effort you make, not how many horses you got.

Steve.

Maybe I should clarify my POV....

As a personal opinion in my circumstances I would opt for performance as I already like the looks of my car and can would prefer my car to have more 'get up and go' than have a superb audio setup (although obviously that would be nice as well.

As people have said already it is a balance of all three that make up the total car it's not one or another.

Steve stated perfectly that it is also a major factor as to what your circumstances are, younger people are a lot less likely to get insured on monster vehicles.

The pride you take in your vehicle, whether it be in the performance, looks or ice setup is always apparent, if you've installed something on your car properly it is clearly seen, unfortunately too many people try and cut corners(myslef included) and the job looks nowhere near as good as it should...

Conversations like this are great if they are taken as personal opinonsbut very quickly get heated as people take offense, shouldn't we all be supporting each other in the modifictions were trying to do to our cars, whatever they may be, rather than bickering about which type of mod is more important or better...

Surely any type of mod that improves a car is as important as any other....

The purpose of this poll is not to 'slate' what other people do to their cars... but simply express peronal point of view.

I agree with what Steve R has said...

For the poll...

I bought my car because I liked the way it looked, and the performance was fine for me..

As for modding, I'd rather spend 4 grand on alloys & a bodykit than a supercharger for my IS..

[quote]I bought my car because I liked the way it looked, and the performance was fine for me..

As for modding, I'd rather spend 4 grand on alloys & a bodykit than a supercharger for my IS..
[/quote]

I agree with you too Fidgits, unfortunatly I don't have four grand to spend on wheels, a bodykit or a supercharger

Steve.

PS. Didn't mean to slate anyone - sorry if I did!!!

Hi Steve, I wasn't saying you slated anyone... and I never meant too...

I wish I had 4 grand to spend too... (which I don't)... I was simply saying if i had.. i'd rather have a 'poser' than a 'racer'..

looks gets my vote,everybody wants 600+bhp but honestly when are you ever going to use it,track days fine but 600+bhp isnt much good when your stuck in traffic,and a good sound set up is always welcome also,because lets be honest everybody checks out everybody else's cars looks

friendly little debate this one is

I agree with all the points mentioned, not quite sure 600bhp is that necessary though 250bhp would suit me fine

The pride the owner has for his/her car is clearly evident in the way it looks, how its cared for and many other factors...

and some mods may not be as attractive to some people, as they will to others

for example fidgets wants everyone to see him in his IS cruising along (hehe) and zee (i think its zee sorry if i'm wrong!!) has the super charger in the same car, probably for the opposite reasons to posing

it's all down to personal preferance and we 'should' all give respect to how people want their cars to be

I dunno - Zee is a pretty good poser.....

Id got for performance everytime. But need reliability with it. Noticed your from nottingham steve. I am at uni there. I was driving through nottingham when i first started there on sunday night and drove past the broadmarsh. I couldnt believe what i saw Have the police started cracking down on it yet?

Tom

im for all show, all go!

and im getting my CTS on Friday ..
im so happy that i can't sit still ..

The police stand outside the night club and watch - its been going on for years - they have burst where they send vans and car through and pull a load of people, but thats just to stop things getting out of control - in fairness they are very leniant - and most of the time not many people distrespect that.

Steve.

[quote name='Steve Ratcliffe' date='Jul 21 2003, 04:33 PM'] I dunno - Zee is a pretty good poser..... [/quote]
Don't blame him,i'd would be as well

He does have a all round car,great looks,great performance and a good sound set up.Him and Loz at Stoke starting the same song at the same time was well funny,shame you wasn't there Steve to add to the volume a bit.

Insurance and age do come into it a lot,younger drivers have to go for styling and ice because to go for performance would mean a to high insurance premium for most of them.

Once you pass the invisible insurance barrier you start to look under the bonnet to see what you can do for more gains but you never forget your past so that's why i would alway's try for a allround car,i'd miss all the toys and the looks thinking what car is that?

Just thought i'd better elaborate on my agreeing with Sam post and as he says again,each to there own.

I bought a corolla Sportivo, it doesn't exactly look the best, but it will look and sound so sweet after victory.

I am all performance, which makes the looks.

[quote name='2ZZ-GE Sportivo' date='Jul 22 2003, 01:20 AM'] I bought a corolla Sportivo, it doesn't exactly look the best, but it will look and sound so sweet after victory.

I am all performance, which makes the looks. [/quote]
See where you are coming from but i was at a TOC/LOC meet yesterday.Alongside 2 supercharged IS200's a 300GS which believe you and me really shifts and me the people coming up wanted to sit in my car,see what i had done and talk about what i had planned.

Incase you didn't know it is a avensis,full bodykit,sprayed orange,a few minor tweeks here and there,standard ice until i meet SteveR.So looks do matter but if dawesy had been there and fired up his anti-lag,the whole off the carpark would have been there in seconds.

Each to there own as i say but incase you didn't know come november a late revision j-spec 3s-gte is going in mine with a full ice set-up and front to back leather interior.

Enough power to have a laugh on track and kick a few butts.Sounds that you can die for and a bodykit and colour to turn heads,basically a allround car like Zee's.

Not saying i will ever beat the likes of dawesy but if he makes a mistake,well he won't live it down for a few weeks

Just to let you know 2zz he is the second fastest fwd in the UK

[quote]Just to let you know 2zz he is the second fastest fwd in the UK [/quote]


what is the first then????

[quote name='T128' date='Jul 22 2003, 02:33 AM'] [quote]Just to let you know 2zz he is the second fastest fwd in the UK [/quote]


what is the first then???? [/quote]
Not sure but if we ask nicely enough Dawesy will be along shortly enough when he is off work to answer that question,Dawwwwwsey!!!

at the redline rumble had a few probs so car not at its best but fastest fwd there was wait for it.....................................................a maestro a 500bhp maestrodid somthing like a 12.2 so there is somthing for me to aim at. however going o those results now shes back on form second fastest should be about right. especialy when i get me brand new short engine throw in a set of forged pistons and wind up da boost

your car is a mean machine dawesy, no doubt about it

Im in the performance boat myself, but this dosnt just mean power. For me its the whole driving experiance.
When im in my old classic, its the feel of the driving. It might be nosy inside and a little taty on the outside, but the feel is amazing. The messages you recieve etc. I think its a slightly romantic view of motoring. Id love to drive an old 250 GTO LM down some country roads etc.

Their was an old road race in mexico, that was somthing like 5000 miles and took the entire mexican police force to man, and use as stewards. The cars (like the ferrari Boss, i think, a version of the original testerrosa)were specially bodied, and used perpose built engines. Just the ordacity and brute force of the individual. Can u imagine just canning the ***** of a specially built and coachwork bodied ferrari V8 down across the mexican border, through rundown rural towns, with just the tiniest of windscreens, a cap, and goggles. That V8 just howling to the tune of four downdraft carbs, with skinny tires, no power steering, and leaving a huge dust trail in your wake. That i think, boys and girls, is what motoring is about.

I have say like others here, it gotta be all 3.

Cos they are all just as important. But for me in this order!!

[color=red]1. The Stereo
To me this is very important. Some of you may think yeah yeah boy racer boom boom. I have heard it all before.
I compete with, well what I did have in my car!! It may not look much(well it doesn't now!!) but it sounded beautiful. Which is why I pulled 2nd at Doncaster, 3rd at Sheffield and 1st at JAPFEST!!
It about the sound quality and not just how loud it is!![/color]

[color=blue]2. Looks
This is next important on my list. Cos a car that looks beautiful or just god damn sexy is nice.
I mean ask Alex(My lady!!) and she will tell you, there is a fine line between a beautifully done car and something that is over the top and looks S t!
Unfortunately mine you will probably think looks s t at the minute!![/color]

[color=purple]3. Performance
This is important in it own right but not essential. If you car sounds nice & looks nice you want it to go well.
I mean, I have had some major uncertenties where engines are concerned!!
I always want the 3sgte in my car, I looked at 4age 20v and the 4agze.
I have finally come to the decision that I will put together and fit a 5efte with a Motec(maybe). I'm after some where in the region of 250-300bhp if thats realistic, knowing me probably not!!
But I want a car that will shock people, because in most idiotic peoples view it just a s tty Starlet. And I want to show those people that my car is somethin to envy/ be afraid of!![/color]


[color=red]Please note I am not condoning do anything illegal in my car!!! Before someone flies off the handle!![/color]

[quote name='dawesy' date='Jul 22 2003, 05:29 AM'] when i get me brand new short engine throw in a set of forged pistons and wind up da boost [/quote]
dont know anythink about turbos really, but what compression pistons would you go for? What about rods? are they stock etc. Have you also gone for uprated bolts etc.

Scott that was a brilliantly poetic notion you've left in my mind with ur post about romantic driving

and i have to say I totally agree with everything you said lol, would be a fantastic experience no doubt

ha, thanks mate. personally, driving should stir the heart, As well as pump the adreneline

[quote name='Scot' date='Jul 22 2003, 01:14 PM'] [quote name='dawesy' date='Jul 22 2003, 05:29 AM'] when i get me brand new short engine throw in a set of forged pistons and wind up da boost [/quote]
dont know anythink about turbos really, but what compression pistons would you go for? What about rods? are they stock etc. Have you also gone for uprated bolts etc. [/quote]
rest of the bottom end is std should be good for 370bhp compression ratio not sure of yet would like to make it high compression for better economy but we'll have to see.
watch this space

What did you run at the rumble Dawsey? Was gonna head down but waiting to get my turbo fitted (which im halfway through now).

a sad and p poor 14.2@103. first run bogged it as the launch control was set to low second run couldn't get second (fixed got a new g/box) 14.6 cr p. third run jumped the start and didnt get a time. however pulled the data log from the ecu and discovered that the highest the boost got was 0.97bar turbo was obviously not feeling at its best so on went a nice new st2 turbo and anti-lag. so just waiting to go again and see if i can make a big improvement on my best times. if i can get rid of some wheelspin itll be 12's think. 0-100 11.3 but with a lot of wheelspin