Hey all, was wondering if you could help. I sold my Glanza a few months ago and went and bought a Gt-Four st205 Wrc, but as soon as i got that i wanted something bigger and faster and the twin turbo supra is the only thing that meets the criteria. but some ppl say i should stick to the gt 4. so was hoping someone would be able to tell me if the supra is a far better car or not? my gt-four is running over 300bhp at the mo.
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Much better in what way.
The Supra's a great car and if you can handle huge power through the rear wheels then maybe it's the pick of the two. But for most ordinary drivers, and for almost any driver in in poor conditions I would argue, a well sorted GT4 will be quicker than most Supras.
There are of course exceptions; you can get huge power from the Supra engine and 4WD isn't much of an advantage on a drag strip, so if it's flat out straight line acceleration that you're after then the Supra would be the best option, and in standard form it's a great grand tourer too.
But if you're looking for more speed on a twisty track, or on rough surfaces, then I don't think you'll get it by 'upgrading' to a Supra.
The Supra's a great car and if you can handle huge power through the rear wheels then maybe it's the pick of the two. But for most ordinary drivers, and for almost any driver in in poor conditions I would argue, a well sorted GT4 will be quicker than most Supras.
There are of course exceptions; you can get huge power from the Supra engine and 4WD isn't much of an advantage on a drag strip, so if it's flat out straight line acceleration that you're after then the Supra would be the best option, and in standard form it's a great grand tourer too.
But if you're looking for more speed on a twisty track, or on rough surfaces, then I don't think you'll get it by 'upgrading' to a Supra.
And where do you stand on looks?.. the Supra is a better looker IMHO.
[quote name='JappyBeast' post='740528' date='Apr 8 2008, 12:15 AM']And where do you stand on looks?.. the Supra is a better looker IMHO.[/quote]
That's much more subjective.
I think they both look great in their way. One day I'll think the Supra just edges it in that department, then I'll see a really nice GT4 and change my mind.
But they're both almost, but not quite as good looking as the MR2
That's much more subjective.
I think they both look great in their way. One day I'll think the Supra just edges it in that department, then I'll see a really nice GT4 and change my mind.
But they're both almost, but not quite as good looking as the MR2
[quote name='T600' post='740530' date='Apr 8 2008, 12:26 AM'][quote name='JappyBeast' post='740528' date='Apr 8 2008, 12:15 AM']And where do you stand on looks?.. the Supra is a better looker IMHO.[/quote]
That's much more subjective.
I think they both look great in their way. One day I'll think the Supra just edges it in that department, then I'll see a really nice GT4 and change my mind.
But they're both almost, but not quite as good looking as the MR2
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But saying that, sometimes I think the Supra looks overweight!...
True about the MR2 tho...
That's much more subjective.
I think they both look great in their way. One day I'll think the Supra just edges it in that department, then I'll see a really nice GT4 and change my mind.
But they're both almost, but not quite as good looking as the MR2
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But saying that, sometimes I think the Supra looks overweight!...
True about the MR2 tho...
i have some pics of my gt4 on my page in the gallery. ye i think the supra needs an aftermarket body kit, i think i want the supra for the stupid power u can get out of them
If its stupid striaght line power/speed your after you best go for the Supra.
Just to throw another car in the mix.. the Mr2 Turbo. Having owned a MR2 rev 3 tubby tbar and a GT4... and having driven both Manual and TT Supra's i have to say that i would take the MR2 turbo over the other 2 cars any day of the week.
Its quick as you like... and nimble'ish and ooo soo rewarding to drive with the drive train setup. After owning the MR2 Turbo i dont get the same thrill from the others... The Supra is a heavy barge and no matter how much power you add to it, it will still feel HEAVY!
Just to throw another car in the mix.. the Mr2 Turbo. Having owned a MR2 rev 3 tubby tbar and a GT4... and having driven both Manual and TT Supra's i have to say that i would take the MR2 turbo over the other 2 cars any day of the week.
Its quick as you like... and nimble'ish and ooo soo rewarding to drive with the drive train setup. After owning the MR2 Turbo i dont get the same thrill from the others... The Supra is a heavy barge and no matter how much power you add to it, it will still feel HEAVY!
[quote name='Fizz' post='740569' date='Apr 8 2008, 08:59 AM']The Supra is a heavy barge and no matter how much power you add to it, it will still feel HEAVY![/quote]
And adding bodykits doesn't help. That's a big piece of metal to wrap in fibreglass.
And adding bodykits doesn't help. That's a big piece of metal to wrap in fibreglass.
[quote name='T600' post='740571' date='Apr 8 2008, 09:03 AM'][quote name='Fizz' post='740569' date='Apr 8 2008, 08:59 AM']The Supra is a heavy barge and no matter how much power you add to it, it will still feel HEAVY![/quote]
And adding bodykits doesn't help. That's a big piece of metal to wrap in fibreglass.
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Amen to that sista...
Seriously though.. if you dont need the practicality of the GT4 then try a MR2 Turbo revision 3.
And adding bodykits doesn't help. That's a big piece of metal to wrap in fibreglass.
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Amen to that sista...
Seriously though.. if you dont need the practicality of the GT4 then try a MR2 Turbo revision 3.
il admit, supras looks sweet, power output can be huge BUT doesnt it get to a point where it just costs too much??
power, speed, money?
looks? the supra's do look nice, but off the track size cant exactly be nice to drive and with a nice car who wants to limit themselves to where they can and can not drive. if yout using it as a track, show or weekend car i spose it wouldnt really be an issue.
the 0 to 60 time on a gt-four is 5.3 seconds, supra TT is 5.1 seconds, is there really such a difference in performance? you cant compare the cars on power output because performance is so similiar. why are people quick to be dazzled with a supra reaching 1000bhp but when a celica is 600bhp no one thinks that its anything new, its like some people are in it for numbers, when i thought all of this was all about performance.
supra TT 0 to 60 is nearer 5 seconds than the gt-four, so spend a little bit of cash and speed isnt an issue. 2K on a stroker kit gets you around 280BHP on a gt-four because of the extra 0.2L displacement, obviously only if tuned correctly? most supra's could add 2k onto the price just to buy it.
check this guys gt-four, its running 612BHP 0 to 60 3.5s, could a supra be that fast with under 650bhp?
[url="http://www.cardomain.com/ride/631592"]http://www.cardomain.com/ride/631592[/url]
check this video out on youtube, which cars engine controls its power better whether RWD or AWD are both good arguments but can the supra get its huge power down onto the road?
celica 612bhp vs supra 1050bhp
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hvv5qGRbEA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hvv5qGRbEA[/url]
now everyone knows the supra has a decent engine just like all performance toyota cars, so why is the gt fours 3sgte engine so commonly used it the supra has better tune'ability.
check this 720 BHP supra: [url="http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html"]http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html[/url]
here is a video of Falken racing a 3sgte in a supra, this actually came out of an MR2. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=539sM07Bmj0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=539sM07Bmj0[/url]
here is the pictures of the car above: [url="http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0705_trial_tuning_toyota_supra/photo_02.html"]http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredv...a/photo_02.html[/url]
so maybe performace should be decided on which engine has most potential, not which car
power, speed, money?
looks? the supra's do look nice, but off the track size cant exactly be nice to drive and with a nice car who wants to limit themselves to where they can and can not drive. if yout using it as a track, show or weekend car i spose it wouldnt really be an issue.
the 0 to 60 time on a gt-four is 5.3 seconds, supra TT is 5.1 seconds, is there really such a difference in performance? you cant compare the cars on power output because performance is so similiar. why are people quick to be dazzled with a supra reaching 1000bhp but when a celica is 600bhp no one thinks that its anything new, its like some people are in it for numbers, when i thought all of this was all about performance.
supra TT 0 to 60 is nearer 5 seconds than the gt-four, so spend a little bit of cash and speed isnt an issue. 2K on a stroker kit gets you around 280BHP on a gt-four because of the extra 0.2L displacement, obviously only if tuned correctly? most supra's could add 2k onto the price just to buy it.
check this guys gt-four, its running 612BHP 0 to 60 3.5s, could a supra be that fast with under 650bhp?
[url="http://www.cardomain.com/ride/631592"]http://www.cardomain.com/ride/631592[/url]
check this video out on youtube, which cars engine controls its power better whether RWD or AWD are both good arguments but can the supra get its huge power down onto the road?
celica 612bhp vs supra 1050bhp
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hvv5qGRbEA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hvv5qGRbEA[/url]
now everyone knows the supra has a decent engine just like all performance toyota cars, so why is the gt fours 3sgte engine so commonly used it the supra has better tune'ability.
check this 720 BHP supra: [url="http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html"]http://www.suprastore.com/topsecsuport.html[/url]
here is a video of Falken racing a 3sgte in a supra, this actually came out of an MR2. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=539sM07Bmj0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=539sM07Bmj0[/url]
here is the pictures of the car above: [url="http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0705_trial_tuning_toyota_supra/photo_02.html"]http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredv...a/photo_02.html[/url]
so maybe performace should be decided on which engine has most potential, not which car
With the Supra you can easily get 400bhp out of it without spending too much money.
Exhaust, fuel pump, filter, EBC and away you go. Easy power.
As for feeling heavy... I wouldn't say so tbh.
It's got awesome road presence. And effortless power at the press of a pedal.
Compared with the likes of the Mr2, it just feels like a much more expensive luxurious car with stupid power. If you want to chuck it about, you easily can. I used to have a MKII GTO TT, and that actually felt like a heavy car. For some reason, the Supra doesn't.
Unless you've driven one........... Ssssssssssh!
Exhaust, fuel pump, filter, EBC and away you go. Easy power.
As for feeling heavy... I wouldn't say so tbh.
It's got awesome road presence. And effortless power at the press of a pedal.
Compared with the likes of the Mr2, it just feels like a much more expensive luxurious car with stupid power. If you want to chuck it about, you easily can. I used to have a MKII GTO TT, and that actually felt like a heavy car. For some reason, the Supra doesn't.
Unless you've driven one........... Ssssssssssh!
Ive driven both varients and its a bloody barge... no two ways to look at it.. take it round a bend at anything above slow speeds and you can feel the weight..
2 gt4's and 3 supra's later.......i can safely say the GT4's are my favourite.
the 4wd inspires so much confidence and you can simply drive faster and harder and closer to the edge than with rwd.
the 4wd inspires so much confidence and you can simply drive faster and harder and closer to the edge than with rwd.
As some one who has all 3 cars sitting outside my house MR2 N/A, ST205 GT4 WRC, Supra N/A all manaul 
I would say the MR2 is the best once you drive a mr2 for a week NO!! car ever feals so good to drive, I have driven a turbo mr2 and it even better but if you push it the mr2 WILL spin out very quick. The GT4 is the car I have on the road at the moment 
and I love it also I love the way its allways wanting to go faster and faster you can trow it into coner and know it going to stick and it can (with ease) live my brothers N/A Supra sitting. As for the Supra it my brothers car so I don't drive often but wean I do I think it nice to drive it feals like the MR2 to drive but it a big heavy bus of a car and if you go for a N/A it would not pull the socks of you + you have no fun with it no-one will try to race you but with the MR2 and GT4 were I live every one has Subaru wrx/sti or Evo 4,5,6 and thay are the fasted cars around (so thay say 
)there no turbo mr2 or celica so I love showing them the power of the 3S-GTE they never try the supra so if you want to have fun and race people buy the gt4 or mr2 if you want to drive and have no hasle buy the supra but one thing the supra has back seats but my little brother who is 4ft 5 he cant fit in there so it only a 2 sitter like the MR2 so if you have more than one friend you need the gt4 and the GT4 is fast as F*CK the way it is so for me it hard to pick MR2 for summer and gt4 for winter thats what I would do
I would say the MR2 is the best once you drive a mr2 for a week NO!! car ever feals so good to drive, I have driven a turbo mr2 and it even better but if you push it the mr2 WILL spin out very quick. The GT4 is the car I have on the road at the moment and I love it also I love the way its allways wanting to go faster and faster you can trow it into coner and know it going to stick and it can (with ease) live my brothers N/A Supra sitting. As for the Supra it my brothers car so I don't drive often but wean I do I think it nice to drive it feals like the MR2 to drive but it a big heavy bus of a car and if you go for a N/A it would not pull the socks of you + you have no fun with it no-one will try to race you but with the MR2 and GT4 were I live every one has Subaru wrx/sti or Evo 4,5,6 and thay are the fasted cars around (so thay say )there no turbo mr2 or celica so I love showing them the power of the 3S-GTE they never try the supra so if you want to have fun and race people buy the gt4 or mr2 if you want to drive and have no hasle buy the supra but one thing the supra has back seats but my little brother who is 4ft 5 he cant fit in there so it only a 2 sitter like the MR2 so if you have more than one friend you need the gt4 and the GT4 is fast as F*CK the way it is so for me it hard to pick MR2 for summer and gt4 for winter thats what I would do
either way you cant go wrong they are both great cars just in different ways
I would not even entertain the idea of a MR2 in the company of the other two (plus I need a boot bigger than a tupperware box). The Supra is a very nice looking car and it gives the impression of looking more expensive than it is, with 400 plus being easily achievable. In a straight line it will leave both the GT4 and MR2 behind, but how often would you get to use all that power unless on a track?! The Celica GT4 is my choice, 300bhp is'nt hard to get to nor too expensive, and through the twisties it will hand both of them there @r$e's on a plate.
It's such a hard decision and if both were infront of me I think I would go for the Supra, But for the overall driving experience it would have to be the GT4.
It's such a hard decision and if both were infront of me I think I would go for the Supra, But for the overall driving experience it would have to be the GT4.
[quote name='The Red Man' post='839675' date='Jan 8 2009, 10:27 PM']I would not even entertain the idea of a MR2 in the company of the other two (plus I need a boot bigger than a tupperware box).[/quote]
Why Not? MR2 turbo has the same engine as the GT4, no 4WD Tranny Losses and is lghter.
I would also say you can fit more in an MR2 boot than a Mkiv supra boot!
As for "overall driving eperiance", it depends what you mean. If you are talking point to point spead, for most drivers the GT-4 will be faster in most situations, that doesn't make it a "better drive". The MR2 is a hard car to drive fast and well, but when you get it just right it feels perfect, its is by far the most technical and rewarding to drive out of the three.
All three are great cars, and focused at doing different things. I personally find 4wd a little less rewarding to drive, but I don't live in scotland.. a GT4 would cerainly be nore effective than the other two in snow/ice.
Why Not? MR2 turbo has the same engine as the GT4, no 4WD Tranny Losses and is lghter.
I would also say you can fit more in an MR2 boot than a Mkiv supra boot!
As for "overall driving eperiance", it depends what you mean. If you are talking point to point spead, for most drivers the GT-4 will be faster in most situations, that doesn't make it a "better drive". The MR2 is a hard car to drive fast and well, but when you get it just right it feels perfect, its is by far the most technical and rewarding to drive out of the three.
All three are great cars, and focused at doing different things. I personally find 4wd a little less rewarding to drive, but I don't live in scotland.. a GT4 would cerainly be nore effective than the other two in snow/ice.
Hi all, thanks for all you opinions, i decided to stick with the gt-4, just chucked every last pennie on it and hoping to get it mapped to about 450bhp. I dont no, the MR2 has just never done it for me. Will probably end up getting a supra at a later date. but then someone through the r33gtr into the equaltion, now i know that its a stupid place to mention such a thing but i like them!
[quote name='The Red Man' post='839675' date='Jan 8 2009, 10:27 PM']I would not even entertain the idea of a MR2 in the company of the other two (plus I need a boot bigger than a tupperware box).[/quote]
Im presuming your chatting about the new MR2 Mk3 in which case you are right that it has no boot what so ever but i dont know if your aware but the mk2 mr2 has very decent sized boot considering the type of car it is.
The Supra has a very wide boot but its shallow as hell and not practical at all.
And as others have said... the MR2 Turbo is the most rewarding drive out of all 3! regardless.
Im presuming your chatting about the new MR2 Mk3 in which case you are right that it has no boot what so ever but i dont know if your aware but the mk2 mr2 has very decent sized boot considering the type of car it is.
The Supra has a very wide boot but its shallow as hell and not practical at all.
And as others have said... the MR2 Turbo is the most rewarding drive out of all 3! regardless.
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