Auris To Get Hybrid In 2012...

[Mick G]

...in case it's of interest to anyone...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/15/e_auris_in_uk/

Later,

Mick

[fuel miser]

...in case it's of interest to anyone...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/15/e_auris_in_uk/

Later,

Mick

Or possibly even sooner......................

http://www.autocar.co.uk/NewsArticle.ASpx?AR=240937

[Norfolk n Chance]

Surely these rumours would spell the end of the ugly Prius then?

[Parts-King]

It's all true guys n gals

In a press statement Toyota said:

‘With today’s announcement, Toyota has taken a significant step forward in ensuring that full

hybrids become more accessible to a wider range of customers. Such efforts are crucial if we are

to see more low-carbon vehicles on European roads,’ said Tadashi Arashima, CEO and President,

TME.

‘Our decision to produce a full hybrid in the UK reflects both our confidence in the quality and

commitment of the TMUK workforce and the strength of our long-standing partnership with the

UK Government. Today’s announcement is positive for Toyota, our UK suppliers and the local

communities here,’ he added.

Business Secretary Lord Mandelson said: ‘This is a welcome and forward-looking investment in

Britain from a world class manufacturer. As part of our low carbon industrial strategy we set out

to make Britain the best place in the world to develop low carbon vehicles. These commitments,

backed by the formidable skills of the UK automotive workers enable companies like Toyota to

invest with confidence in low carbon car production in the UK. It demonstrates that the UK's car

industry is already making the low carbon transition.’

Toyota will be the first mainstream manufacturer to produce a full hybrid version of a core volume model

Production will start Mid-2010 to be built in Derby, the engines will be produced just over the road from Lindop Toyota at the Deeside engine plant

Kingo

[Rumbly]

Well lets just hope its a deisel to improve the fuel consumtion, and not another petrol engine for the American market. From reports I've read the Prius fuel consumtion is hardly startling and beaten by more powerful deisels. Oh yes and how about a mains adapter so the Battery can be charged from the mains like several after market suppliers have been doing for the Prius for years. And perhaps a good bit cheaper than Prius please, then I might give it some thought.

[goodison]

please tell me who makes a 515 volt dc Battery charger??

[Parts-King]

Well lets just hope its a deisel to improve the fuel consumtion, and not another petrol engine for the American market. From reports I've read the Prius fuel consumtion is hardly startling and beaten by more powerful deisels. Oh yes and how about a mains adapter so the battery can be charged from the mains like several after market suppliers have been doing for the Prius for years. And perhaps a good bit cheaper than Prius please, then I might give it some thought.

It will be petrol, not diesel

Not that old Prius V BMW 520 D argument again. It amazes me how anybody could put chalk and cheese together, RACE them and find the diesel wins

The Prius, and in particular, the new Prius ARE fuel efficient particularly when driven as it is supposed to be. It has been proven not by motoring journos who have a vested interest in knocking Prius and it's technology, but by many a University study showing how the technology works and how green it actually is

The reason for making a Hybrid in a main core volume car, is so they get access to volume sales. It will be far cheaper than a Prius, but then again, it wont have all the goodies and Toys that a Prius has

I have no idea why you would want a mains adapter for one, it just isnt needed

Kingo

[Ogo]

I have a Prius and I achieve a fuel economy of 4.5 litres per 100 km.

So f... Top Gear and their f.... up fuel economy tests.

Ogo

[Rumbly]

please tell me who makes a 515 volt dc battery charger??

I have no idea and can't think what you'd want one for. As far as I'm aware the highest voltage Prius Battery ever produced was 288 volts, so if you do find one I'd recommend not charging a Prius Battery with it

[goodison]

The only people with one are Toyota. It is only available to Toyota dealerships to those who have an electrical specialist technician.

My Quote Rumbly was your wish of having a mains charger, It aint going to happen, God forbid , there would be more people frying themselves. I am a Toyota engine, and electrical specialist technician, Thanks for your advise though

[Rumbly]

Well lets just hope its a deisel to improve the fuel consumtion, and not another petrol engine for the American market. From reports I've read the Prius fuel consumtion is hardly startling and beaten by more powerful deisels. Oh yes and how about a mains adapter so the battery can be charged from the mains like several after market suppliers have been doing for the Prius for years. And perhaps a good bit cheaper than Prius please, then I might give it some thought.

It will be petrol, not diesel

Not that old Prius V BMW 520 D argument again. It amazes me how anybody could put chalk and cheese together, RACE them and find the diesel wins

The Prius, and in particular, the new Prius ARE fuel efficient particularly when driven as it is supposed to be. It has been proven not by motoring journos who have a vested interest in knocking Prius and it's technology, but by many a University study showing how the technology works and how green it actually is

The reason for making a Hybrid in a main core volume car, is so they get access to volume sales. It will be far cheaper than a Prius, but then again, it wont have all the goodies and Toys that a Prius has

I have no idea why you would want a mains adapter for one, it just isnt needed

Kingo

Can't think of any reason for it being petrol apart from it being aimed at the American market as our friends over the pond just don't like desiels. Desiel engines are I believe more fuel efficient therefore would make a better choice... or am I missing something?

Yup that old Prius v BMW argument Far from being worthless IMO it demonstrates a very important thing. For long journeys making good progress the Prius seems not to be the most fuel efficient or comfortable way of doing it. Different horses for different courses, you are quite right but it emphasises the need to match the car you choose carefully to your needs. I do mostly long journeys at fairly high speed, and very little in town work, not the Prius strong point. It might be a very different story if used for mostly in town work.

Could you point me to some of the University studies I'd be interested to have a look.

Indeed if hybrid technology is to improve and develop, volume sales are necessary to bring the price down. I don't think the Prius is particularly good or as fuel efficient as it could have been. But I am pleased that it has sold in some numbers so that the technonogy can progess, improve and bring the price down. There is potential there but I think it needs development to be of real benefit to most car buyers.

Yup thats the problem .... a mains charger is of no use Which means the only option to charge the Battery is to drive the thing using that horribly inefficient petrol engine and use some of its power to charge the Battery. If you could choose to charge the Battery using cheap efficiently generated off peak power instead it would reduce running costs. Some people have installed additional battery packs for this purpose, so they can be charged using cheap mains power.

[Rumbly]

The only people with one are Toyota. It is only available to Toyota dealerships to those who have an electrical specialist technician.

My Quote Rumbly was your wish of having a mains charger, It aint going to happen, God forbid , there would be more people frying themselves. I am a Toyota engine, and electrical specialist technician, Thanks for your advise though

My original post was perhpas a tad hurried and lacking in detail .... not a great idea to try to charge a Prius Battery, yup totally agreed no problem there

Some people have installed additional Battery packs which can be charged from the mains, as mains power is cheaper than petrol engine genereated power, and allowing much greater electric drive only range.

I think Toyota relaise this .... quote from link in first post in this thread.....

"By 2012, the Prius will be available as a both a petrol-electric and plug-in hybrid – the latter allowing drivers to charge a lithium-ion rather than nickel-metal hydride Battery pack directly from the mains for extended leccy-only travel. But at the moment, Toyota is keeping tight-lipped about the possibility of a plug-in Auris."

Another link to info here

[pa_sound_man]

Well lets just hope its a deisel to improve the fuel consumtion, and not another petrol engine for the American market. From reports I've read the Prius fuel consumtion is hardly startling and beaten by more powerful deisels. Oh yes and how about a mains adapter so the battery can be charged from the mains like several after market suppliers have been doing for the Prius for years. And perhaps a good bit cheaper than Prius please, then I might give it some thought.

It will be petrol, not diesel

Not that old Prius V BMW 520 D argument again. It amazes me how anybody could put chalk and cheese together, RACE them and find the diesel wins

The Prius, and in particular, the new Prius ARE fuel efficient particularly when driven as it is supposed to be. It has been proven not by motoring journos who have a vested interest in knocking Prius and it's technology, but by many a University study showing how the technology works and how green it actually is

The reason for making a Hybrid in a main core volume car, is so they get access to volume sales. It will be far cheaper than a Prius, but then again, it wont have all the goodies and Toys that a Prius has

I have no idea why you would want a mains adapter for one, it just isnt needed

Kingo

Can't think of any reason for it being petrol apart from it being aimed at the American market as our friends over the pond just don't like desiels. Desiel engines are I believe more fuel efficient therefore would make a better choice... or am I missing something?

[...]

Petrol vs Diesel Hybrid... Agree that in theory a diesel hybrid could be produced but at the moment I think the argument against is an emissions/cost

one.

Latest Prius is at least as efficient in most situations as a comparable Diesel but at a cost premium of the Hybrid system.

Some diesels can compete for efficiency but to be as clean they need additional enginering to meet emissions - this is also a cost premium for them.

A theoretical Diesel hybrid using something similar to Prius could be built and would presumably be even more efficirnt by gaining from the

efficiency of diesel and the extra effiency of the hybrid system (although I don't know if the concept of an Atkinson cycle can really apply to a Diesel so the

gains might be less than otherwise expected) BUT such a vehicle would incur the extra cost of BOTH the hybrid system AND the tech necessry to clean up

the Diesel emissions so I don't think it would be commercially viable.

I feel sure this is why Toyota have so far at least stuck with petrol ( but I bet they have a diesel in their back rooms somewhere).

These is also of course the fact that Diesel is, in the UK at least, mostly a little more expensive than petrol so if you compare MP£ instead of MPG then that

works in the Petrol hybrid favour too.

Regards to Plug-in/Recharge: there is little point until the cars are available with larger (at least 3x) capacity to make sense to get a useable range.

At present Toyota are restricted by Patent ruling as to how large a traction Battery they can deploy so the plug-in simply does not make sense. They have

however continued research into this so once the restrictions expire and/or an alternative Battery technology becomes viable I'm sure they will be ready but

we're not quite there yet apart from a few brave souls who have experimented at their own cost by adding additional batteries to their prius.

Just my opinions/thoughts on this.

Vic

[toyboata]

I have only skim read this thread - but my thoughts are this...

Until a car comes out that is either TOTALLY ELECTRIC or NONE fossil fuel dependant - I will not be buying any hybrid...

To me, a car that still requires fossil fuel is not worth the outlay, however I acknowledge the benefits a hybrid has - and that it is a step in the right direction.

Matt

[don21]

Anyone like to take a guess at how much it will be? Got to do your sums carefully depending on how many miles you travel.Could end up out of pocket just for being green.

[pa_sound_man]

Anyone like to take a guess at how much it will be? Got to do your sums carefully depending on how many miles you travel.Could end up out of pocket just for being green.

What's wrong with paying extra to be green? people often pay a premium for leather upholstery or metallic paint but dont expect that choice to save any

money.

Vic

[DaronB]

We have just bought a new Prius 3 and it will do almost double the MPG we were getting from our Rav T180 as well we don't have any road tax so it will def be cheaper to run but besides all that having just driven the dealer demonstrator it looks fantastic both inside and out , Toyota have now made it a car that will appeal to the masses , its funky , retro and good to the ozone layer , it just makes sense in the todays world . Petrol guzzling V8's and big 4x4's are history , the massive surge in fuel prices we had last year WILL happen again when the world economy picks up so if you don't want to be at the mercy of the greedy oil companies and oil speculators get an economical car now !! The sooner we get hydrogen technology in the mainstream the better.

[OldSkoO1]

I have only skim read this thread - but my thoughts are this...

Until a car comes out that is either TOTALLY ELECTRIC or NONE fossil fuel dependant - I will not be buying any hybrid...

To me, a car that still requires fossil fuel is not worth the outlay, however I acknowledge the benefits a hybrid has - and that it is a step in the right direction.

Matt

I can't understand this on both points

Totally Electric

The electricity is still generated from enormous turbines powered by the burning of vast hills of coal. Sure you can go on one of these green tariffs that get a single figure % of energy from wind farms etc.

Still requires fossil fuels

You are emitting A LOT less co2 and using A LOT less fuel even in hybrid form.

Hybrid emits co2 at the end user, you. Your electric car doesn't; but on re-charge your pulling energy from the national grid so supply has to increase to meet demand + wastage both on the grid and at the wheel.

Yes hybrid has some, albeit small emissions footprint but at least what it does emit is partially recyclable in the form of Battery charges for lower speeds. There is also co2 emitted during the refinement process for the fuel.

Weighed up, hybrid usually lasts a lot longer on a range; mile for mile. Therefore, it really is horses for courses. When talking green you really have to consider how much co2 was emitted right from the very beginning of the creation of that energy. What a single prius hybrid emits on a journey is not even a fleck on what a coal fired power station is burning to create electricity.

So, they either better pull their finger out and pump this crap back into the ground through capture or build more nuclear sites for electric cars to really be "green". There is absolutely no point in going that route if the overall co2 from birth to death is going to be more due to demands for electric.

[don21]

Anyone like to take a guess at how much it will be? Got to do your sums carefully depending on how many miles you travel.Could end up out of pocket just for being green.

What's wrong with paying extra to be green? people often pay a premium for leather upholstery or metallic paint but dont expect that choice to save any

money.

Vic

Sorry but I just do not buy into all the save the planet nonsense.It is far to late IMHO to save the planet from the disaster that has been the human race and when we wipe ourselves out good old planet Earth will get on with what it has been doing for thousands of years.It will slowly repair the damage we have done and the cycle will begin again.

The whole Green bandwagon rolls along to mainly make people money and lots of money as well.The politicians love it because they have to keep us scared about something otherwise we may start wondering why we need them at all.

For me the decision to buy a car because it is green has to be backed up by a cost analysis of whether it will save me money.

[duncerduncs]

For those who may be interested, Toyota have released a picture of the Auris Hybrid...

The rest of the range will also get a face lift next year.

[Speed_Chaser]

Sorry for off-topic but has someone managed to find pics of Auris facelift 2010?

Best regards, Alex

[duncerduncs]

Front end will be similar to the Hybrid. From What Car?...

"The Auris HSD Full Hybrid Concept also has new front-end styling, with fresh headlights, bonnet, bumper and grille. The same changes will be applied to the entire Auris range early next year."

[Speed_Chaser]

Hope that they'll make it look good, I might be interested!

Best regards, Alex

[T Sport 1978]

...in case it's of interest to anyone...

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/15/e_auris_in_uk/

Later,

Mick

Interesting topic and interesting tactic from Toyota.

I personally am more excited by hydrogen fuelled cars (i.e Honda Clarity), am surprised that this isn't being pushed more than it has so far? Surely hydrogen is the only proper 'green' solution and it appears it is more practical than electric and you can fuel on the go.

For those of you who think this green band wagon is BS, well we will only know when either the blackgold runs out or we see a scene out of 'the day after tomorrow' for real, either way there is no harm in developing for alternatives and in my opinion WHOLLY necessary.

[Tekker]

For those who may be interested, Toyota have released a picture of the Auris Hybrid...

The rest of the range will also get a face lift next year.

This pic of the Auris HSD is almost how the Auris facelift erly next year will look.

However, bumpers and a few other things - as the picture - will be exclusive for the HSD.