Flying In An Mr2...off The Road?

[brndn]

hello again,

these questions are about a 91-92 mr2.

How does the mr2 handle in quick turns? I know it oversteers on 90%+ when you let go of the gas, but what about turns that aren't that near it's break point? Does the car normally understeer? In my 300zx, I would take some corners pretty fast where the front tires would start just to squel and slight understeer happened (of course, always in a safe place free of people and large things sticking out of the ground). How would the mr2 react in a situation like this? Would it also understeer? Or, would I have to make sure to not let go of the gas?

I'm planning on test driving an mr2 soon. Can't wait!

[Jimlad]

erm... be carefull you don't end up facing the other way !!

[Bibbs]

MR2's understeer .. and then when you least expect it (and least want it) .. snap to oversteer .. then backwards steer .. and then whoops my trousers are soiled / through a garden hedge steer ..

[Jimlad]

lmao ....

don't forget ... "just stonked into the kerb very hard and cost £2500 of damage steer"

lol

[brndn]

will adding a stronger front swaybar help? Is it possible to modify the 91 suspension to a 93 suspension (which I've read is more predictable)?

[Jimlad]

stick with the rev1 setup mate.. .more of a "drivers" car.

[Bibbs]

will adding a stronger front swaybar help? Is it possible to modify the 91 suspension to a 93 suspension (which I've read is more predictable)?

The rev1 is cack cause of the large ride height and rubbish tyre wall sizes on the stock 14's ..

Get a set of 15's and get some lowering springs (Eibach are known to be good) .. and the car becomes a much better performer ..

stick with the rev1 setup mate.. .more of a "drivers" car.

Not at all mate .. I don't call "unpredictable" the same as "drivers" .. (and I've owned both rev1, rev2 and rev2 with racing suspension. and driven a few others)

[Jimlad]

will adding a stronger front swaybar help? Is it possible to modify the 91 suspension to a 93 suspension (which I've read is more predictable)?

The rev1 is cack cause of the large ride height and rubbish tyre wall sizes on the stock 14's ..

Get a set of 15's and get some lowering springs (Eibach are known to be good) .. and the car becomes a much better performer ..

stick with the rev1 setup mate.. .more of a "drivers" car.

Not at all mate .. I don't call "unpredictable" the same as "drivers" .. (and I've owned both rev1, rev2 and rev2 with racing suspension. and driven a few others)

ok.... so I had lowered suspension and bigger wheels... damn.. that was my excuse for the crash ! DOH !

As for the "drivers" car comment.... just quoting what I've heard and read mate.

[Bibbs]

The rev1 was only better as it was far more adjustable (if I remember the underneath of the car) . .

Where the rev2 went more simplistic ..

I think your "comming together" with a kerb was more to do with the 255's on the rear ..

[DeusMR2]

Is it possible to modify the 91 suspension to a 93 suspension (which I've read is more predictable)?

yes it is entirely possible and there is even a "how-to" on the international imoc website.

[pizza boy]

Drivers car = if you dont have the ability of a Stig then your stuffed

Hmm..drop a rev1/2 30mm and replace standard shocks with Bilstiens all round, increase wheel size to 15" with 205/50front 225/50 rear(get decent tires too), laser re-align the setup and you should be ok (in the dry :P )

[brndn]

Rev1? By rev 1 do you mean Mr2 mkI? or, cars made from 91 to 92?

[KiwiMR2]

Rev1? By rev 1 do you mean Mr2 mkI? or, cars made from 91 to 92?

Yep...from1989-whatever, then whatever to oct 93 for Gen II and oct 93-whatever for Gen Iv etc etc.

Cheers

KiwiMR2

[Bibbs]

and you can tell what "revision" your car is (there were 5) .. by checking the chassis number ..

In the US they only got the car up to '95 and use the term "Generaton" - refering to the engine ..

rev1/2 = Gen2 3gte

rev3+ = Gen3 3gte

[dj_davo]

the rev 1 was slated by all the car mags when it famously had that picture of a jap test driver losing it! suspension was considered way too tricky for the average (and even toyotas own test drive expert) driver.

rev 2 improved, rev3 improved more, and i believe rev4 onwards top notch, with slightly different engine mounting points too for a safer more balanced ride.

again lads only quoting what i have read over time. (although the car mag bit, i remember seeing that at the time).

face it fella, the 2 is twitchy, so is a countach, so is an older 911, so are a lot of ferraris, but hell,...they are better than driving a mondeo!

[ZeroBlade]

face it fella, the 2 is twitchy, so is a countach, so is an older 911, so are a lot of ferraris, but hell,...they are better than driving a mondeo!

"shake that *****, miss canna canna, shake that *****!"

The twitchy tailend makes this car sweet, just happens to do it when u least expect it! :)

-Z

[TheNissanMan]

rev'1 mk2 with sorted suspension and 16's.....

better torque than any mk2 mr2 and a superb car already, now you've brought back the withdrawal symptoms peeps

will always remember sys g's face on the way to !Removed! in doncaster with my rev1 against his rev3 on the dual carriage way :P

[KiwiMR2]

better torque than any mk2 mr2

Iv'e seen this said twice now........why?

Cheers

KiwiMR2

[pizza boy]

The torques the same in both cars. Rev1/2 hit the peak torque lower down the rev range giving you power when you want it the most and the gearing is better on rev1/2s (rev3 = taller gears) also the rev1/2 is lighter (rev3=impact bars, airbag,+PAS,ABS etc etc).

Or maybe SystemG ate too many pies that day

[KiwiMR2]

The torques the same in both cars. Rev1/2 hit the peak torque lower down the rev range giving you power when you want it the most and the gearing is better on rev1/2s (rev3 = taller gears) also the rev1/2 is lighter (rev3=impact bars, airbag,+PAS,ABS etc etc).

Or maybe SystemG ate too many pies that day

So rev 1/2 hit peak torque lower down but rev 3 boosts further up the rev range, rev 1/2 is lighter (options depending) than rev 3 but rev 3 has 20 odd kw's more power to counter act the extra weight.

What's PAS?? My rev 3 doesn't have airbags, or abs etc Again Iv'e seen the side impact bars mentioned on rev 3....I thought it was rev 4 upwards only, I'll ask my guru friends to consult there epc's and confirm this.

intresting

Cheers

KiwiMR2

[pizza boy]

Side impact bars were made standard items in late rev3 models onwards. It was actually an option as early as rev2s(and of course rev3s) ask mr2 specialist breakers they will confirm this. PAS = power assisted steering. I dunno if systemG has a UK spec NA mr2 but if he does itll have all the saftey features+ABS and PAS bogging it down. Regardless of the weight thingy even if a rev3 mr2 with the same weight as a rev2 raced the rev1/2 will still win due to gearing and lower band torque.

So rev 1/2 hit peak torque lower down but rev 3 boosts further up the rev range

Boost? Just to clear any potential confusion im talking about the NA models tho not Turbo models!

[KiwiMR2]

Side impact bars were made standard items in late rev3 models onwards. It was actually an option as early as rev2s(and of course rev3s) ask mr2 specialist breakers they will confirm this. PAS = power assisted steering. I dunno if systemG has a UK spec NA mr2 but if he does itll have all the saftey features+ABS and PAS bogging it down. Regardless of the weight thingy even if a rev3 mr2 with the same weight as a rev2 raced the rev1/2 will still win due to gearing and lower band torque.

So rev 1/2 hit peak torque lower down but rev 3 boosts further up the rev range

Boost? Just to clear any potential confusion im talking about the NA models tho not Turbo models!

Oh...I thought you were talking turbo, that's why I was a bit confussed.

Cheers

KiwiMR2

[Jimlad]

just increase the boost on the rev1 also.. then it still wins ... :D

[KiwiMR2]

just increase the boost on the rev1 also.. then it still wins ... :D

why?

[Funkadelic]

More boost = More power.

Of course this isn't always the case in actual fact, but generally speaking it is!