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Wow that is an ugly car!!

The styling is said to be inspired by the ‘8-bit’ generation of the 80’s, and the clean retro lines are certainly a success

WTF are these people on? Utter Bo-larks, it flows from thier mouths.

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Wow that is an ugly car!!

Well they've got the front a bit wrong, but the rest could be promising. If it's going to be a competitor to the CRZ then it could be interesting, but how is it going to drive?

What we need is for one of Toyota / Honda to put a KERS button in the car for overtaking and then we might get some reasonable performance. Once one of them does it, the other will follow and we might see a bit of performance competition.

Paul.

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Will it produce more CO2 to make the batteries and such than it will make up for and save during its lifetime?

On average, a car has a 14 years lifetime from being purchased, to being scrapped. How much CO2 does it save a year (over a standard car of that size and spec) and can it prove more economical in the long run too?

Currently, me restoring and maintaining my GTi AE92 is more economical than a Prius. :P Yes, I know it's 21 not 14, so the average is better than normal but running an old engine like mine is better than me buying a new Prius.... (providing the engine is running well!)

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The Prius is all about a brand recognition and clever marketing aimed and initially not very clever Americans.

No real environmentalist would drive one for the very reasons you mentioned. I used to love it when Pious drivers gave me that smug "I'm better than you" look as drove past in my hilux surf (linked to in sig).

Little did they know that it was running on 100% vegetable oil, (technically carbon neutral, if such a thing made a difference anyway) and will still be going strong when their environment wrecking batteries have failed. ;)

The only logical reason I can see for having a hybrid, is for dodging the congestion charge.

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Little did they know that it was running on 100% vegetable oil, (technically carbon neutral, if such a thing made a difference anyway) and will still be going strong when their environment wrecking batteries have failed. ;)

The batteries are all recycled chap. Analysts seem to give the Prius lifecycle the thumbs up these days when it comes to environmentally-friendly manufacture and recycling.

The problem with your Hilux was that the particulate emissions from the geriatric diesel were very nasty :(

Paul.

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Will it produce more CO2 to make the batteries and such than it will make up for and save during its lifetime?
No. There are plenty of good hard data about now on complete life cycle impact. There are vehicles that do better than the Prius, but they tend to be either very small (like the Smart) or electric (with range limitations). I believe that electric will win out in the end but for the present it is practical only in a limited range of circumstances.
On average, a car has a 14 years lifetime from being purchased, to being scrapped. How much CO2 does it save a year (over a standard car of that size and spec) and can it prove more economical in the long run too?
It depends upon which standard car you choose and what your pattern of use is. Have a browse around this site, it might help you to find the information you require. Green car guide Click on the "Large family" button to do a like for like comparison with cars of similar carrying capacity to the Prius.
Currently, me restoring and maintaining my GTi AE92 is more economical than a Prius. :P Yes, I know it's 21 not 14, so the average is better than normal but running an old engine like mine is better than me buying a new Prius.... (providing the engine is running well!)
I have no basis for discussing it with you since I don't know what cost assumptions you have made and how, for example, you value your own time. However, accepting that you have done your sums and you are right, if I tried to generalise from your argument, it would mean that no-one would ever again buy a new car. I can't see that as a viable proposition somehow.

Of course, we all have to make our own judgements. I'm a professional engineer and I try to make my judgements carefully and on the basis of provable data, but I have no doubt that sometimes I get it wrong.

If what you are doing pleases you then that is probably the most important thing . . . . . :)

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I just remember reading that keeping an old car in good condition is better than buying a Prius. Mine isn't exactly a good comparison, because it was knackered to begin with, but what I heard was that keeping an old car in good condition from the beginning of it's life is more economical.

Thanks for the link mate, I'll check it out when I get a spare 5 minutes.

I'm not giving a guarantee that my statement is true for every car, or indeed for my car, but that is the only example I have right now. :)

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The problem with your Hilux was that the particulate emissions from the geriatric diesel were very nasty :(

Paul.

When not running on Veg, yes, but as you know, I have never really cared a great deal :yahoo: I was using the "carbon footprint" as an example as that seems to be the current buzz word lentil eaters use to describe all the global warming we have been having this week.

The batteries are recycled? Where?

Toyota must have changed the manufacture process on the newer model then, I was referring to the "dust to dust" survey, where the original prius did very badly, due to the manufacture process combined with the fact that parts were all shipped about the world.

Still. M3 made better MPG around the top gear test track :toast:

To be fair, I don’t really give a hoot about environmental credentials, I am of the opinion that it is all a load of <the spuds of lurrrrvve>s fabricated to create control (fear and tax). I would only read about it to disapprove smug Prius drivers that somehow think their halo is that much shinier than everyone else’s because they are “saving the planet”.

-Not that I’m saying they are all like that!

Edit: if Labour really wanted to save the world, and weren't just using CO2 foot prints as another excuse to tax more, and punish people with large/fast cars, they'd not have scrapped the rolling 25 year tax exemption rule.

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Little did they know that it was running on 100% vegetable oil, (technically carbon neutral, if such a thing made a difference anyway) and will still be going strong when their environment wrecking batteries have failed. ;)

The batteries are all recycled chap. Analysts seem to give the Prius lifecycle the thumbs up these days when it comes to environmentally-friendly manufacture and recycling.

The problem with your Hilux was that the particulate emissions from the geriatric diesel were very nasty :(

Paul.

Yep. Prius whole life environmental impact rated at 33 by "What Green Car" where 0 = no impact and 100 = maximum impact.

As compared with, just to choose a car at random . . . . :rolleyes: , the BMW M3, which is rated at 89.

Of course the M3 gets to the legal speed limit several seconds before the Prius does . . . . . . :thumbsup:

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Thanks, I'll bear that in mind if I ever decide to buy a car on its "green factor" over anything else...

(Although you could probably fit more children and dogs in the Bluemotion Passat estate, which is a boggo standard diesel and "greener" at 32 which rather backs up my initial point)

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Thanks, I'll bear that in mind if I ever decide to buy a car on its "green factor" over anything else...

(Although you could probably fit more children and dogs in the Bluemotion Passat estate, which is a boggo standard diesel and "greener" at 32 which rather backs up my initial point)

Yes, it's one of those that I looked at. A bit more expensive than the Prius for the same level of equipment, but I was put off mainly by the particulate filter problems that seem to bother the latest diesels in urban driving and the fact that it is not available with an automatic gearbox. It looks like a good buy for anyone who does a lot of motorway driving, but mine is mostly in town.

You pays your money etc.

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The problem with your Hilux was that the particulate emissions from the geriatric diesel were very nasty :(

Paul.

When not running on Veg, yes, but as you know, I have never really cared a great deal :yahoo:

Especially when running on veg! That is not a clean fuel. I know you think the CO2 tax is a government conspiracy ( :D ) but particulates cause serious actual damage to anybody breathing in the fumes. It's like inhaling lots of microscopic curled-up hedgehogs which cut open the capillaries in your lungs.

Nobody would deny that tightening up emissions to remove that problem was a bad thing or not worth paying for, surely? Even M3 drivers :D

Paul.

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Sorry I get confused and hung up on "real" pollution and easily measurable and therefore taxable pollutions... The veg was "carbon neutral".

That said I can feel my throat closing when I get a big whiff of diesel, or a filthy buss drives past, but never had that issue with veg, it seemed a lot less intrusive, but made me hungry.

Save the hedgehogs :)

As for it “being a good thing” I’d certainly not deliberately get the more polluting car, but given the choice over pollution and performance or drivability, there is no choice for me! The American version of my car is 10 hp down and missing 7 torques due to US Emissions law, that sucks.

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Screw the Environment, the Tree's and the Dolphins! Save the V8! :D :lol:

In all seriousness, i actually like the MK2 and MK3 prius. I know the MK1 and MK2 didnt do the environment much good with their batteries but from what i hear the MK3 doesnt have such an issue as the batteries are totally different.

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