2.2d-4d

[delboy85]

My 57 plate Avensis 2.2D-4D was recently taken to Mr T at 19750 miles when the VCR/TRC lights came on. Mr T diagnosed that the injectors, EGR valve and Turbo needed renewal. Mr T advised this would be done under warranty but would have otherwise have cost £3500 for parts and £1500 for labour. I now have a car with 20,000 miles on the clock and 11 months warranty remaining. Since I have recently retired I am only likely to cover 5000 miles per year and am unsure whether I should take the extended warranty for two years at £650. I had thought that these cars were really reliable having previously had two 1.8 petrol models and running both to 85,000 miles without a problem.

[lungo]

Hi Delboy85, sorry to hear that and also makes me think too.

I also drive a 57 plate avensis 2.2 and I am thinking about this very hard too.

Maybe a change of car to a petrol for you??

I know its not really a good option and yes I would expect the 2.2 diesel to last longer than a petrol.

[delboy85]

Hi Delboy85, sorry to hear that and also makes me think too.

I also drive a 57 plate avensis 2.2 and I am thinking about this very hard too.

Maybe a change of car to a petrol for you??

I know its not really a good option and yes I would expect the 2.2 diesel to last longer than a petrol.

If only it were that easy. The 57 plate is currently on sale around £12,500. whilst the trade in price is nearer £8500. I would then need to chip in another £4000 to get even a 2008 1.6 Auris and this would have only a little over a years warranty remaining.

[lungo]

Yeah, true...

when I went for service they tried to sell me a 58 plate but too expensive and like you said my car dropped too much....

Sorry I cannot help you but I would 85% get an extended warranty when the time arrives.

[t-spiritpete]

My 57 plate Avensis 2.2D-4D was recently taken to Mr T at 19750 miles when the VCR/TRC lights came on. Mr T diagnosed that the injectors, EGR valve and Turbo needed renewal. Mr T advised this would be done under warranty but would have otherwise have cost £3500 for parts and £1500 for labour. I now have a car with 20,000 miles on the clock and 11 months warranty remaining. Since I have recently retired I am only likely to cover 5000 miles per year and am unsure whether I should take the extended warranty for two years at £650. I had thought that these cars were really reliable having previously had two 1.8 petrol models and running both to 85,000 miles without a problem.

Hello to Delboy85 and other 2.2d4d owners on this forum. I don't know about a recall for carpets and accelerator pedals it's about time Toyota got all these problems sorted out on the 2.2 d4d. I have been on this forum for just under a year now and entered into it head first, singing the praises for Toyota based on my past experience but how wrong was I!!

As the unfortunate owner of one of these cars like many others, my car at around 40k has had at least £6k's worth of warranty work done so far,(without the turbo and injector problem). Lucky you some might say but what about others with low mileage cars just over 3 yrs old and out of warranty?!?! Now my dealer has been very good with me and I have no complaints there but there are many owners who don't get the same service and may, yes just may have a very large bill heading their way. If you add up all the impending faults on these engines the cost of repairs is more than the car is worth in many cases. Why don't Toyota extend the warranty on these engines to at least 5yrs, and yes I realise the head gasket "may" have an extended 5yr warranty but what about all the other stuff like turbo, injectors, water pump, DMF/clutch assemblies, EGR valves etc, etc. There maybe a lot of these engines doing high mileage without problems and I understand that but for unfortunate ones who have to take a hit anywhere between 15k and 80k mls as there is no pattern to these failures it is just not good enough. Why don't Toyota admit their failures and "do a Kia motors" with a 7 year, 100k warranty even if was just on the engine alone it would help. I nearly bought a Kia, oh well too late now.

If they thought the 1.8vvti oil burner was bad press I shudder to think what this is 2.2 d4d issue going to do for the company image and sales in the future because as time goes on more and more people are coming on this forum with problems and complaints.

So until Toyota come up with the answer we are left with paying out at least £650.00 to extend a warranty that Toyota should be paying for as it's their mistake, our only mistake was to buy the car in the first place.

Regards from an unhappy Pete, with fingers, legs and anything else I can keep crossed for the future, sorry about the rant but it has been coming for a while now and I feel better for it ....... even though it won't solve anything.

[delboy85]

My 57 plate Avensis 2.2D-4D was recently taken to Mr T at 19750 miles when the VCR/TRC lights came on. Mr T diagnosed that the injectors, EGR valve and Turbo needed renewal. Mr T advised this would be done under warranty but would have otherwise have cost £3500 for parts and £1500 for labour. I now have a car with 20,000 miles on the clock and 11 months warranty remaining. Since I have recently retired I am only likely to cover 5000 miles per year and am unsure whether I should take the extended warranty for two years at £650. I had thought that these cars were really reliable having previously had two 1.8 petrol models and running both to 85,000 miles without a problem.

Hello to Delboy85 and other 2.2d4d owners on this forum. I don't know about a recall for carpets and accelerator pedals it's about time Toyota got all these problems sorted out on the 2.2 d4d. I have been on this forum for just under a year now and entered into it head first, singing the praises for Toyota based on my past experience but how wrong was I!!

As the unfortunate owner of one of these cars like many others, my car at around 40k has had at least £6k's worth of warranty work done so far,(without the turbo and injector problem). Lucky you some might say but what about others with low mileage cars just over 3 yrs old and out of warranty?!?! Now my dealer has been very good with me and I have no complaints there but there are many owners who don't get the same service and may, yes just may have a very large bill heading their way. If you add up all the impending faults on these engines the cost of repairs is more than the car is worth in many cases. Why don't Toyota extend the warranty on these engines to at least 5yrs, and yes I realise the head gasket "may" have an extended 5yr warranty but what about all the other stuff like turbo, injectors, water pump, DMF/clutch assemblies, EGR valves etc, etc. There maybe a lot of these engines doing high mileage without problems and I understand that but for unfortunate ones who have to take a hit anywhere between 15k and 80k mls as there is no pattern to these failures it is just not good enough. Why don't Toyota admit their failures and "do a Kia motors" with a 7 year, 100k warranty even if was just on the engine alone it would help. I nearly bought a Kia, oh well too late now.

If they thought the 1.8vvti oil burner was bad press I shudder to think what this is 2.2 d4d issue going to do for the company image and sales in the future because as time goes on more and more people are coming on this forum with problems and complaints.

So until Toyota come up with the answer we are left with paying out at least £650.00 to extend a warranty that Toyota should be paying for as it's their mistake, our only mistake was to buy the car in the first place.

Regards from an unhappy Pete, with fingers, legs and anything else I can keep crossed for the future, sorry about the rant but it has been coming for a while now and I feel better for it ....... even though it won't solve anything.

Very well put Pete! It seems from reading through this forum that the 2.0 d4d is just as unreliable and I would never contemplate buying another.

[t-spiritpete]

My 57 plate Avensis 2.2D-4D was recently taken to Mr T at 19750 miles when the VCR/TRC lights came on. Mr T diagnosed that the injectors, EGR valve and Turbo needed renewal. Mr T advised this would be done under warranty but would have otherwise have cost £3500 for parts and £1500 for labour. I now have a car with 20,000 miles on the clock and 11 months warranty remaining. Since I have recently retired I am only likely to cover 5000 miles per year and am unsure whether I should take the extended warranty for two years at £650. I had thought that these cars were really reliable having previously had two 1.8 petrol models and running both to 85,000 miles without a problem.

Hello to Delboy85 and other 2.2d4d owners on this forum. I don't know about a recall for carpets and accelerator pedals it's about time Toyota got all these problems sorted out on the 2.2 d4d. I have been on this forum for just under a year now and entered into it head first, singing the praises for Toyota based on my past experience but how wrong was I!!

As the unfortunate owner of one of these cars like many others, my car at around 40k has had at least £6k's worth of warranty work done so far,(without the turbo and injector problem). Lucky you some might say but what about others with low mileage cars just over 3 yrs old and out of warranty?!?! Now my dealer has been very good with me and I have no complaints there but there are many owners who don't get the same service and may, yes just may have a very large bill heading their way. If you add up all the impending faults on these engines the cost of repairs is more than the car is worth in many cases. Why don't Toyota extend the warranty on these engines to at least 5yrs, and yes I realise the head gasket "may" have an extended 5yr warranty but what about all the other stuff like turbo, injectors, water pump, DMF/clutch assemblies, EGR valves etc, etc. There maybe a lot of these engines doing high mileage without problems and I understand that but for unfortunate ones who have to take a hit anywhere between 15k and 80k mls as there is no pattern to these failures it is just not good enough. Why don't Toyota admit their failures and "do a Kia motors" with a 7 year, 100k warranty even if was just on the engine alone it would help. I nearly bought a Kia, oh well too late now.

If they thought the 1.8vvti oil burner was bad press I shudder to think what this is 2.2 d4d issue going to do for the company image and sales in the future because as time goes on more and more people are coming on this forum with problems and complaints.

So until Toyota come up with the answer we are left with paying out at least £650.00 to extend a warranty that Toyota should be paying for as it's their mistake, our only mistake was to buy the car in the first place.

Regards from an unhappy Pete, with fingers, legs and anything else I can keep crossed for the future, sorry about the rant but it has been coming for a while now and I feel better for it ....... even though it won't solve anything.

Very well put Pete! It seems from reading through this forum that the 2.0 d4d is just as unreliable and I would never contemplate buying another.

It's a real shame because I love this car, it's a nice car to drive and very economical, I may well have to live with it for some time to come though.

Bye for now .... Pete.

[delboy85]

My 57 plate Avensis 2.2D-4D was recently taken to Mr T at 19750 miles when the VCR/TRC lights came on. Mr T diagnosed that the injectors, EGR valve and Turbo needed renewal. Mr T advised this would be done under warranty but would have otherwise have cost £3500 for parts and £1500 for labour. I now have a car with 20,000 miles on the clock and 11 months warranty remaining. Since I have recently retired I am only likely to cover 5000 miles per year and am unsure whether I should take the extended warranty for two years at £650. I had thought that these cars were really reliable having previously had two 1.8 petrol models and running both to 85,000 miles without a problem.

Hello to Delboy85 and other 2.2d4d owners on this forum. I don't know about a recall for carpets and accelerator pedals it's about time Toyota got all these problems sorted out on the 2.2 d4d. I have been on this forum for just under a year now and entered into it head first, singing the praises for Toyota based on my past experience but how wrong was I!!

As the unfortunate owner of one of these cars like many others, my car at around 40k has had at least £6k's worth of warranty work done so far,(without the turbo and injector problem). Lucky you some might say but what about others with low mileage cars just over 3 yrs old and out of warranty?!?! Now my dealer has been very good with me and I have no complaints there but there are many owners who don't get the same service and may, yes just may have a very large bill heading their way. If you add up all the impending faults on these engines the cost of repairs is more than the car is worth in many cases. Why don't Toyota extend the warranty on these engines to at least 5yrs, and yes I realise the head gasket "may" have an extended 5yr warranty but what about all the other stuff like turbo, injectors, water pump, DMF/clutch assemblies, EGR valves etc, etc. There maybe a lot of these engines doing high mileage without problems and I understand that but for unfortunate ones who have to take a hit anywhere between 15k and 80k mls as there is no pattern to these failures it is just not good enough. Why don't Toyota admit their failures and "do a Kia motors" with a 7 year, 100k warranty even if was just on the engine alone it would help. I nearly bought a Kia, oh well too late now.

If they thought the 1.8vvti oil burner was bad press I shudder to think what this is 2.2 d4d issue going to do for the company image and sales in the future because as time goes on more and more people are coming on this forum with problems and complaints.

So until Toyota come up with the answer we are left with paying out at least £650.00 to extend a warranty that Toyota should be paying for as it's their mistake, our only mistake was to buy the car in the first place.

Regards from an unhappy Pete, with fingers, legs and anything else I can keep crossed for the future, sorry about the rant but it has been coming for a while now and I feel better for it ....... even though it won't solve anything.

Very well put Pete! It seems from reading through this forum that the 2.0 d4d is just as unreliable and I would never contemplate buying another.

It's a real shame because I love this car, it's a nice car to drive and very economical, I may well have to live with it for some time to come though.

Bye for now .... Pete.

I love mine too Pete and it's looking more and more likely that I will have to stick with it folowing the accelerator recall fiasco what will it's 'trade in' price be now and who would be wanting to buy a Toyota.

[Heidfirst]

I love mine too Pete and it's looking more and more likely that I will have to stick with it folowing the accelerator recall fiasco what will it's 'trade in' price be now and who would be wanting to buy a Toyota.

your car isn't affected - only T27s.

[Beagh1958]

To delboy85,

Going back more years than i care to remember, those of you who are in the trade would remember that the buyers of a brand new model would have been referred to as GUINEA PIGS, this would usually last only a year. 99% of any problems would have been ironed out within the first year, with the result that from the second year onwards you could be pretty sure major problems would not raise their ugly heads.

This 2.2 engine has been around for a good while now & you have an awful lot of GUINEA PIGS running into a 3rd year of problems. These problems just should not be happening. It is starting to look like Toyota consider Turbos, Injectors and EGR valves to be throw away items. With the exception of the EGR valve, these will always clog up with carbon. You have to think that Toyota are going badly wrong somewhere.

I am aware that other manufacturers have the same faults that Toyota have, before you point them out to me. But i'm afraid Toyota are starting to go the way of MERCEDES & that is downwards. I would avoid a 2.2 diesel like the plague & remember i am talking purely about diesel engines here only.

Regards, Beagh.

[lungo]

Hi all,

this thread is getting interesting.

Maybe we can get all the known faults which has happened on the 2.2 diesel car all on one topic?

I have a good mind to go to a toyota dealer and actually get them to run a total car check both diagnose it and vision and see the printout myself. (free if possible :D )

Hopefully this will get most of the problems sorted until my warranty runs out.

I myself cannot sell this car at the moment as I have taken a big hit due to the other avensis 2.2 I part exchanged.

It was my own stupidity and was thinking with my heart instead of my head and jumped at the T180... :(

Maybe I am lucky than others (my T180 MAYBE fault less than others) but this is something we really should not be thinking about so early in ownership of car, WE SHOULD BE ENJOYING IT!!!

Next car is more and more unlikely to be a Toyota after being on this forum and reading peoples problems with the diesel.....

My fingers etc are crossed for all of us Toyota diesel drivers for a safe and less fault ownership of the diesel...

[delboy85]

I love mine too Pete and it's looking more and more likely that I will have to stick with it folowing the accelerator recall fiasco what will it's 'trade in' price be now and who would be wanting to buy a Toyota.

your car isn't affected - only T27s.

Mine might not be affected by the recall but it will be affected as will yours by the way Toyota have handled this recall. Toyota are going to struggle now to sell any cars and this will affect the resale value of used cars. In addition to this there are all the problems with the 2.2 diesel engine.

[T180_BWL]

Well I've just had the shock of my life with my 56-plate T180 (4 months out of warranty).

I had the VSC/TRC and engine management light come on all together.

As the car was due its 40k service, I left it until then (a few weeks). I dropped the car off, mentioned the lights and came back for car later. The garage said they would need to examine the car further because the error code was apparently saying the diesel particulate filter was a problem. This immediately set alarm bells ringing because I've heard so many people on here mention the massive problems they've had with the T180s and D-CAT engines.

Well, it wasn't good news after the return trip to pick it up - the catalytic converter is FUBAR'd. The mechanic thinks the engine has been over filling and the excess diesel being fed into the cat has killed it. Then he said the fix would be somewhere in the region of £2k+. After I took the effort to pick my jaw up off the floor, he went on to say that they had another car in for the same issue and they were trying to get Toyota to pay the full cost despite the car being out of warranty but couldn't guarantee it. They said if not the full cost then at least a sizeable contribution towards it.

After a pretty crap night last night wondering where the hell I was going to drum up £2k from, the garage has been on today and gave me the news that Toyota WILL pay the full cost of the repairs and replacement.

Needless to say, my faith in Toyota and their legendary reliability has taken a massive knock. I had a Toyota Yaris for over 5 years (and which has now been passed onto partner who's been using it for another 2) all without incident. That's 7 years of only needing a service, tyres and brakes.

Since I've had the T180, I've had to suffer crap MPG (presumably because half the dieself was being pi**ed into the cat), random electric troubles (bluetooth and DAB radio failing randomly) and the boot doesn't want to open in the cold.

Does anyone else think it's more than coincidence that Toyota were willing to pay for the full cost of the repairs on this car? Am I just a cynic in thinking, as quite a few do on here, that's there's an underlying major fault with these engines? If the car has been overfilling and spraying diesel into the cat, I can guarantee it's not something which started happening when the warranty ran out.

I would certainly say to anyone if you still have any warranty left and you're suffering any issues relating to MPG that you take the car in and don't accept no for an answer. Direct them here, there's plenty examples of people with the problem. I'd complained about the MPG at the 20k and 30k service, but the garage just stuck some jet cleaning concoction in the tank. It seems obvious now just why the MPG was so bad.

[Twot]

Hi All,

I am wodering if under the 'Freedom of information' act, we can ask Toyota for the true failures on these engins. I have pased the 60k mark, and because of all the above chose to take the extended warenty, as I have long term plans on the car. I agree with t-spiritpete - it is annoying. I have tried to look which car is reliable, but it is hard to find information on current models, as it takes time to get data. I had a look at Kia, with their 7 years, but that is limited to 100k, which will take me less then 4 years to get to... also they are not very economical, and range is limited. I thought of starting to use the wife's car - 99 Corolla (which we had no major problems with), but it is very uncomfortable, and also like to drink petrol (1.6). My previous car was a peugeot 406 which died at 120k with a major problem (should have cost 5k to fix, car worth 1.5k), so cannot think of any car that does not have problems. I heard that Audi and VW and also BMW has their own issues...

When I bought my Avensis I thought I will have years of quite motoring, without a worry... how wrong was I. :(

end of my rant for the day...

PS if anyone hear about the ultimate reliable car, please drop me a line...

[Heidfirst]

Mine might not be affected by the recall but it will be affected as will yours by the way Toyota have handled this recall. Toyota are going to struggle now to sell any cars and this will affect the resale value of used cars. In addition to this there are all the problems with the 2.2 diesel engine.

I disagree but we are both entitled to our own & different opinions.

[Dunkelmann]

... It seems from reading through this forum that the 2.0 d4d is just as unreliable and I would never contemplate buying another.

Well I'm coming up to 3 years with the new 2.0 diesel, 25,500 miles only though. I've had no engine problems whatsoever. My only complaint is the crap lights.

[delboy85]

My 57 plate Avensis 2.2D-4D was recently taken to Mr T at 19750 miles when the VCR/TRC lights came on. Mr T diagnosed that the injectors, EGR valve and Turbo needed renewal. Mr T advised this would be done under warranty but would have otherwise have cost £3500 for parts and £1500 for labour. I now have a car with 20,000 miles on the clock and 11 months warranty remaining. Since I have recently retired I am only likely to cover 5000 miles per year and am unsure whether I should take the extended warranty for two years at £650. I had thought that these cars were really reliable having previously had two 1.8 petrol models and running both to 85,000 miles without a problem.

6 months on and now showing 22000 miles the car is now back with Mr T for a break in the satnav loom and Mr T tells me that the turbo is too noisy so he is changing it again under warranty. Of the 7 months of this year Mr T has had the car for one month. In 45 years of driving I have never known such an unreliable car.