Now That Toyota Dont Sell New Cars

[acetip]

Has this theory yet been confirmed to be the truth?

I find it hard to see how anything will take over from Hydrogen powered cars... ;)

what about a large carrot.

[Parts-King]

Has this theory yet been confirmed to be the truth?

I find it hard to see how anything will take over from Hydrogen powered cars... ;)

Hybrid will be the only alternative for the next 20-25 years until such time as Hydrogen is brought on mainstream. As long as there is oil in the ground and oil companies are selling petrol/diesel/LPG they wont be interested in Hydrogen

Kingo

[KPARRIS-JONES]

Yes but that is through laziness and for the sake of saving money in the relative short term.

Hydrogen is tough to collect and transport, relatively easily done once someone applied themself to finding a solution.

I shal stick to good ol petrol for as long as I can :D

[Parts-King]

It's all about money KPJ, the environment has little to do with anything although Government policy is hell bent on making as much money out of anything "Green" that it can. The oil companies call all the shots while there is oil in the ground, Goverment cant do without the oil/fuel taxes so will always let the oil companies do pretty much what they want!

[Rick D4D]

It's all about money KPJ, the environment has little to do with anything although Government policy is hell bent on making as much money out of anything "Green" that it can. The oil companies call all the shots while there is oil in the ground, Goverment cant do without the oil/fuel taxes so will always let the oil companies do pretty much what they want!

This is very very true but Hybrid cars are a very good thing as the electric side if that is all electric drive like the Toyota's or assisted electric drive like Honda is 100% free so if that saves you even 10mpg that is a lot over 40k. I will also add that imagine what could be done with a 1.6 turbo hybrid and how rapid that could be as the motor would remove / compensate for the turbo lag.

[jettech]

I can't really see the hybrid technology as a real future. They still use petrol and not even less that diesel engines and the problem of batteries. As long as "green recycling" means dumping them into China and India rivers and lakes the cost is low, but the problem starts when someone has to dispose them for real. The hybrid technology is some sort of smoke screen marketed as "green solution" which really is a pile of cr@p. We really need a new source of energy (maybe hydrogen) but like Kingo said no one is interested as long as there is oil in the ground. People want to buy petrol cars so why would you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs?

[Parts-King]

Not my words but copied from the recycle plan

Actually, Toyota's plan began with the development stages of the new Prius. The car as a whole is 85 percent recyclable and more than 95 percent of its materials can be recovered through a process that accounts for two percent of its full life cycle CO2 emissions.

When the Battery eventually dies out on you, it is removed at an authorized Prius service center. Toyota has appointed authorized waste management companies in each country where the car is sold, which are responsible for transporting the batteries to one of three European Final Treatment Companies (FTCs): SNAP, Accurec and Umicore.

"The recovery process begins with the removal of the battery's outer casing, which itself can be re-used in steel making processes. All the wires and electronic parts are sent to a specialist recovery company, while the power cells themselves are recycled using an induction-based vacuum thermal system," the company said.

From the electric point of view, I'm all for it, the power from an electric motor is fantastic, thats why they can run trains off it! You cannot get away from the fact that there is NO alternative to petrol/diesel engines at this time, there will be plug in electric cars that will have their place in our towns and cities but until something else comes along, whether you like it or not, Hybrid will be the only alternative for at least 20 years

Kingo

PS Sorry RickD4D this has gone so Perhaps I should start another thread

[jettech]

Yes Kingo, maybe Toyota really recycles it. The problem is that similar claims you can read on website of every company manufacturing things like that but reality is a container shipped to China. I am not accusing Toyota in any way and in fact they are very believable company due to their heritage.

Hybrid technology still need fossil fuels so it is not really an option. Electric cars may have more future due to more efficient energy sources being devoloped.

[T Sport 1978]

Yes Kingo, maybe Toyota really recycles it. The problem is that similar claims you can read on website of every company manufacturing things like that but reality is a container shipped to China. I am not accusing Toyota in any way and in fact they are very believable company due to their heritage.

Hybrid technology still need fossil fuels so it is not really an option. Electric cars may have more future due to more efficient energy sources being devoloped.

I have said on these board before that personally, I think Hydrogen is the only way forward for a true green solution. Since the concept became real with the Honda hydrogen car, I have been amazed and disappointed at the same time for it not being progressed at a rate that would make it a real alternative.

Now, for whatever reason this maybe means that I will not be able to use hydrogen as fuel for quite some time yet, so in the mean time the next best thing is hybrid. You can debate till you are blue in the face, but hybrid is the best viable technology that we have right now that does not impede too much into our way of life. Be it full or part hybrid, either way somewhere along this process involves the use of fossil fuel and this is just where we are right now.

Hybrid is still the best solution that we have right now and progress means taking steps, and right now the step that we are on is this hybrid technology.

[Rick D4D]

Yes Kingo, maybe Toyota really recycles it. The problem is that similar claims you can read on website of every company manufacturing things like that but reality is a container shipped to China. I am not accusing Toyota in any way and in fact they are very believable company due to their heritage.

Hybrid technology still need fossil fuels so it is not really an option. Electric cars may have more future due to more efficient energy sources being developed.

you just don't get it do you? a petrol car does 35mpg but the same car using the same amount of fuel but an hybrid will do say 45mpg + that is a 25% increase for free or the manufacture of a Battery that should last 10years or more which in turn is less polluting than 10 years of burning 25% more petrol to achieve the same distance travelled. On top of that a fossil fuel that will eventually run out will be around a lot longer as this becomes more mainstream.

Also you then need to think of how Battery technology will improve when these are in mass demand for example a mobile phone Battery in 1985 was the size of a brick but today they are the size of a £2 coin.

Like it or not in 10 years time (if not before) if you want a new car you will be driving Hybrid because the governments dictate that we have to clean up our act and make the emissions of cars harder so the manufacturers have to go down this route.

[jettech]

you just don't get it do you? a petrol car does 35mpg but the same car using the same amount of fuel but an hybrid will do say 45mpg + that is a 25% increase

and diesels manage over 70 mpg without Battery. How does it compare to hybrid?

for free or the manufacture of a battery that should last 10years or more which in turn is less polluting than 10 years of burning 25% more petrol to achieve the same distance travelled.

is it less polluting? It appears you not getting it. The first hybrids just entered the market few years ago and not many of them. The recycling problem is not really resolved yet. Do you know where Lithium is coming from and what impact mining it has? I have read a research somewhere that for hybrid car to be "greener" that petrol counterpart it should deliver over 80mpg.

Hybrid technology was a quick fix. Now during the crisis just become answer for everything. Even some manufacturers were very reluctant at the beginning.

Like it or not in 10 years time (if not before) if you want a new car you will be driving Hybrid because the governments dictate that we have to clean up our act and make the emissions of cars harder so the manufacturers have to go down this route.

Really? The hybrids were sold 10 years ago and after 10 years petrol engine is going strong. Why if hybrid cars were so excellent?

[Rick D4D]

and diesels manage over 70 mpg without battery. How does it compare to hybrid?

Well an Auris diesel wont but the hybrid will but please feel free to name at least 10 and then tell me out of the 10 will still be on the road or still do 70mpg next year with euro 5 regs which will force a dpf system to be fitted.

Hybrid technology was a quick fix. Now during the crisis just become answer for everything. Even some manufacturers were very reluctant at the beginning.

The technology has not been main stream for 10 years just a Toyota play thing for Toyota, once all manufacturers start doing this the advancements will be rapid just like Kers is Formula 1

as above

[jettech]

Well an Auris diesel wont but the hybrid will but please feel free to name at least 10 and then tell me out of the 10 will still be on the road or still do 70mpg next year with euro 5 regs which will force a dpf system to be fitted.

almost every manufacturer has diesels compatible with EuroV and managing around 70mpg (or close to it)- check Astra EcoFlex, Laguna dCi or even petrol Golf 1.2 TSI doing well over 50 mpg. I am not talking very small cars doing 80 mpg like Polo bluemotion etc.

The technology has not been main stream for 10 years just a Toyota play thing for Toyota, once all manufacturers start doing this the advancements will be rapid just like Kers is Formula 1

Correctly. Toyota has some good ideas but it is not the only player. Some other manufacturers sell hybrid cars but they agree it is not the future. Toyota and Honda still sell and develop new diesels/ petrol engines

[Rick D4D]

Correctly. Toyota has some good ideas but it is not the only player. Some other manufacturers sell hybrid cars but they agree it is not the future. Toyota and Honda still sell and develop new diesels/ petrol engines

you are so wrong http://www.egmcartech.com/2010/07/15/report-honda-to-drop-clean-diesel-development-focus-more-on-hybrids/ http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66E04M20100715

[jettech]

OK, so you have Honda (and only Honda) dropping diesel. I think Toyota just started manufacturing new diesel engine somewhere in Eastern Europe.

BTW I saw similar announcement from Honda in April last year. It looks they can't really decide :) IMHO not selling diesel engine in Europe may be a shot in their foot.

[Rick D4D]

OK, so you have Honda (and only Honda) dropping diesel. I think Toyota just started manufacturing new diesel engine somewhere in Eastern Europe.

BTW I saw similar announcement from Honda in April last year. It looks they can't really decide :)

So what about all the the Auris range diesels that have been dropped apart from the 1.4D4D? also still feel free to name 10 diesel car that can do 70mpg and not 10 that can do it on paper as being a T180 owner I will tell you on paper this can do 56mpg but reality is 45mpg max.

[jettech]

I am not going to name you any car and give it's real mpg as that vary and it applies for diesel, petrol and hybrid.

[Cyker]

IMHO electric engines are the way of the future, but we are being held back by one thing : Batteries Suck.

They take too long to charge, and have an extremely poor power to weight ratio.

Something better way of storing the electricity needs to be invented first; Personally I'm hoping for improved tech in super-capacitors but evidently there are some problems with that as F1 teams are preferring disposable lithium packs and even flywheels over that tech at the moment :(

I'm not a big fan of hydrogen, as frankly I'm terrified of the consequences of a major accident involving, say, hydrogen powered trucks and cars... (Hydrogen doesn't burn, it just explodes. All of it. In one go.).

That and the process for creating hydrogen is extremely energy intensive so we'd need a butt-load of nuke plants or something to cope with the energy demands if that became mainstream. (Pity we can't invent warp drives first so we can go to Jupiter or Saturn to collect it in its raw form )

[Rick D4D]

Well I booked our T180 in with Ron Brooks service manager (John) yesterday over email for the MOT in Oct and also included my notes from the 1st post, on the reply John put that he had forwarded the note to the sales manager but still no telephone call. You would have thought this would have happened just to say sorry and offer you a test drive and to talk figures.

Well still no word from Ron Brooks so it must be 100% official that they don't sell new cars any more, I can sum this up in a few words "Numpty Service" and the simple fact is just like in Jan 09 when it 100% cost them a sale when the salesman would not budge on the price it is also now potentially costing them a sale as well.

[Parts-King]

It's a sad situation but vote with your feet (as you have done) I have a few shops on my banned list There loss not mine

Kingo

[Jan&tone]

Where can I buy a horse??

No recycling problems, you can eat it when it's knackered

Emissions can be used for the roses

No starting problems in the winter

Accelleration is a little iffy, but a good poke with a sharp stick helps.

[T Sport 1978]

Where can I buy a horse??

No recycling problems, you can eat it when it's knackered

Emissions can be used for the roses

No starting problems in the winter

Accelleration is a little iffy, but a good poke with a sharp stick helps.

I tell ya, those gypsies have got it sussed.

[acetip]

Where can I buy a horse??

No recycling problems, you can eat it when it's knackered

Emissions can be used for the roses

No starting problems in the winter

Accelleration is a little iffy, but a good poke with a sharp stick helps.

hi jan & tone

exhaust fumes can make your eyes water,as you are siiting right behind the tail pipe and you have to keep topping them up with water.

but thats cheaper than fuel.

[Jan&tone]

Where can I buy a horse??

No recycling problems, you can eat it when it's knackered

Emissions can be used for the roses

No starting problems in the winter

Accelleration is a little iffy, but a good poke with a sharp stick helps.

I tell ya, those gypsies have got it sussed.

Yay, and they sell horses too don't they:)

[Jan&tone]

Where can I buy a horse??

No recycling problems, you can eat it when it's knackered

Emissions can be used for the roses

No starting problems in the winter

Accelleration is a little iffy, but a good poke with a sharp stick helps.

hi jan & tone

exhaust fumes can make your eyes water,as you are siiting right behind the tail pipe and you have to keep topping them up with water.

but thats cheaper than fuel.

I was thinking of when petrol had run out and all cars were either being towed by horses or electric! Bottled water is actually more expensive than petrol in Harrods too!!