Aygo Mods

[-Ub3R-]

I have decided to go all out on the Aygo. :)

Here's the list:

1. Cat-back exhaust

2. Air intake

3. Lowering springs

4. 195 tires with alloy wheels. Had a look for 195/50/14's and can't find them at all. Seems 195/45/15's is the best option?

Also, how much are the stock Aygo alloys? If they work out cheaper than aftermarket I may get them instead.

5. New brakes may be considered. New discs all round (Taking the drums off the back) this will have a bearing on the rims as well.

6. Take out unneeded weight. So back seats, maybe the spare tire.

7. Change the front seats for bucket seats.

8. I was also looking at fitting this:

http://peugeot-107.sgpetch.co.uk/pages/accessories/detail/model=224/category=interior/accessory=Central+Front+Armrest/id=7230

Hoping the bucket seats wont affect that.

The main thing I need help with is deciding on the wheels.

As said in the FAQ, the widest I can get is 195. With either:

195/50/14's Noone makes these tires

195/45/15's These seem to be the best option. I preferably want as much tire as possible.

195/40/16's Don't want these because I don't want really big rims with low profile tires.

If there's any other option them I'm open to advice.

Also, do I need to get them balanced or other things. I've never changed wheels before.

Then after all this is done.

Supercharger by TTS with a new clutch being fitted at the same time.

Overall cost before s/c somewhere in the £1000 region.

S/C: £4000 fitted

[Jan van de Wouw]

Do the seats first and measure how much room is left, I seriously doubt if it's enough for an armrest.

[Guyaygo]

Got some team dynamics alloys for sale in the classifieds if you want to have a look, they're 195/45/15...

[PaulT]

I'd try 185/55/14 and they won't rub on the arches. Make sure you get offset 38 wheels and not 45, or they will rub.

BTW stock alloys will not take anything above a 165. For 195 you need a six-inch rim width.

Secondly, don't waste money on an induction kit and cat-back, instead buy the best wheels money can buy and get more of a performance boost for your money (like those in the for sale area, for example)

And while I'm here, don't bother removing the rear drums. Fit 3G slotted rotors and red stuff pads on the front and you will not need to worry about the brakes, even at the Nurburgring or on track days.

Paul.

[geezbeez]

The seats are light anyway. Just buy a good exhaust (at least they look nice, centre exit and that, dispite any claims I dont know if any really add power probably better able to work with the supercharger kit) and possibly the lowering springs.

I dont think its possible/economic to replace the rear drums and front disks/calipers, I dont think there are any larger ones available.

Think only a couple of companies sell replacement disks/rotors. TAROX look only ones worth even concidering to me?

Original rotors are very soft, might find some after market rotors provide inferior braking?

P.S. Racing pads dont brake as well as normal pads under normal driving - you do know that? They just give thier best performance at a higher temperature which is more suitable for track use :*

If you do replace the wheels, most Aygos have 14" alloys standard anyway. Need to go for 15" with correct offset

If ever someone marketed a brake upgrade kit, youd likely need 15" wheels for the bigger disks and youd be junking 14" wheels :(

[PaulT]

The seats are light anyway. Just buy a good exhaust (at least they look nice, centre exit and that, dispite any claims I dont know if any really add power probably better able to work with the supercharger kit) and possibly the lowering springs.

The seats are 14-16kg. You can save half that quite easily with race seats and side mounts at about 7-8kg each.

The problem with changing the exhaust is that you will almost certainly add weight and will probably get no extra power.

P.S. Racing pads dont brake as well as normal pads under normal driving - you do know that? They just give thier best performance at a higher temperature which is more suitable for track use :*

You'll be fine with Red Stuff. They are more fast street pads really, work well on both road and track.

Paul.

[geezbeez]

Some cars have seats that weigh as much as 30Kg each. THe Aygo Seats are about as light/small as standard seats come surely? Particularly if you have the ones without side airbags. If you do have the air bags then the extra 2-3Kg is probably worth putting up with.

Spare tyre is easiest weight saving. Back seat backs can be taken out if you like.

Replacing front seats with racing seats wont save more than the spare tyre and running with lower fuel level and will have a more significant insurance impact than most people would imagine.

[PaulT]

Some cars have seats that weigh as much as 30Kg each. THe Aygo Seats are about as light/small as standard seats come surely? Particularly if you have the ones without side airbags. If you do have the air bags then the extra 2-3Kg is probably worth putting up with.

Yes, all true, but remember you have seat rails which weigh a few kg. If you switch to a side-mounted composite fixed-back seat then quite a lot of weight can be lost.

Spare tyre is easiest weight saving. Back seat backs can be taken out if you like.

Spare tyre and toolkit came to about 15kg iirc, and that's about the same as the back seat if you have the one that doesn't split.

You can also remove all the boot and rear trim and rear seatbelts, but the whole lot only comes to about 5kg.

Replacing front seats with racing seats wont save more than the spare tyre and running with lower fuel level and will have a more significant insurance impact than most people would imagine.

My insurer (mainstream, not specialist) didn't mind me adding sports seats, no increase in premium. I guess that something which helps to restrain you in an impact is a good thing. We don't use seats like that as standard because they won't fit fat people and some might find them uncomfortable.

Paul.

[vwkombi]

How easy would it be to get a early 5 door, back door cards with Speakers and wire them up to the current model with has all 6 in the front?

Also another idea I had was to get some of the perspex used on the heater control area that lights up, and cut AYGO letters for the storage area on the centre consol on the dash (used for ipod/MP3 player sorage) and have them resesed on it with orange bulbs or LEDs to come on with the lights.

[AYGOgummy]

How easy would it be to get a early 5 door, back door cards with speakers and wire them up to the current model with has all 6 in the front?

Also another idea I had was to get some of the perspex used on the heater control area that lights up, and cut AYGO letters for the storage area on the centre consol on the dash (used for ipod/MP3 player sorage) and have them resesed on it with orange bulbs or LEDs to come on with the lights.

Cutting Aygo letters and having them light up has the potential to look mildly tacky and distracting if not done properly. But if real time is taken, then it could look okay. Not sure where you'd get that sort of translucent perspex though. And I hadn't realised Toyota have removed the rear Speakers in later models! Just noticed this on another thread too... seems like a bit of a backward step in my opinion? It annoys me when cars only have Speakers in the front... because all the music is going to the front, and the rear occupants are left with a distant tinny sound!

I've just received my dimmer switch for the interior light from CityBug, which I'm going to attempt to fit this week. It didn't come with any instructions but there are plenty of tutorials on the web I've noticed. I was just getting a bit fed up of the sudden darkness you face upon closing your door when it's dark, especially if you want to plug an iPod in or put something in a storage compartment etc. So hopefully I'll manage to do it without electrocuting myself! And I know that to some, that may not seem like much of a modification, but I've got a feeling it'll make some difference. :)

[Wh1teLeopard]

Sounds like a worthwhile modification to me. Good luck :)

Also another idea I had was to get some of the perspex used on the heater control area that lights up, and cut AYGO letters for the storage area on the centre consol on the dash (used for ipod/MP3 player sorage) and have them resesed on it with orange bulbs or LEDs to come on with the lights.

Best bet is to look for lighting filters. My dad has a pile of it lying around somewhere from his disco days (he's back up and running again with modern LEDs now btw if anyone wants to hire a DJ [/shameless plug] hehe)

We did the clock in my little Fiesta, we took it apart fitting a red perspex instead of the standard green one, and I had a red digital clock. I thought it was awesome, and it went a lot better with my red dials and red footwell lighting.

[-Ub3R-]

When I lower it. Is it worth installing new dampers as well?

BMS do this kit for the Aygo:

http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=108270

I'm wondering if it's worth the extra £200 for shocks.

[jjj_aygo]

When I lower it. Is it worth installing new dampers as well?

BMS do this kit for the Aygo:

http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=108270

I'm wondering if it's worth the extra £200 for shocks.

I have that kit... it is more than worth it! Great improvement on the standard dampers.

[kav]

When I lower it. Is it worth installing new dampers as well?

BMS do this kit for the Aygo:

http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=108270

I'm wondering if it's worth the extra £200 for shocks.

...i'd suggest not going for the dampers.

springs only + you drive a........new car!

Loosing 30-35mm affects a lot of things.

Aygo becomes much more solid in turns, stabilized at 140-160 km/h (side wind, etc.),

you'll soon feel after the replacement of the springs that dampers are not really necessary..

4 persons do not affect something in the car, except the....mudflaps when going uphill+turn

at a ramp. they slightly touch the road. Rarely happens.

Changing the springs will also give you LESS meters in braking from x mph...

Sounds peculiar, but it is more than welcome!

tyres ? if more than 165/60/14, then by lowering, you get into trouble....

Go for it, the best + safer mod !!! :)

.......have mine Apex for 3 years. 130 gbp then!

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[kav]

....and one more !

[jjj_aygo]

Are you speaking from experience when advising against the Bilstein dampers?

The standard Aygo damping is comparable to that of an off road vehicle... The Bilstein dampers ARE an improvement on the standard dampers.

[kav]

Are you speaking from experience when advising against the Bilstein dampers?

The standard Aygo damping is comparable to that of an off road vehicle... The Bilstein dampers ARE an improvement on the standard dampers.

Just saying that dampers - any dampers - plus springs, will give Aygo a lot of harder suspension...

A step before track.

Not advising against Bilstein, those are of course much more better than toyota's.

Have already fitted them in a Clio mk1. Working fine!

Would change them if i owned a...Corolla or Auris. In my Aygo, i might do it in 5 years.

ps. My experience is at Greek roads as you see in avtr....

UK's worst road, is much more preferable from our best National Road.

May be there is a point of discussion, about dampers....

[-Ub3R-]

So you're advising against upgrading tire/rim size when lowering?

I was gonna buy some Apex lowering springs

These wheels:

http://www.alloywheels.com/product.asp?P_ID=2820&V_ID=147875&strKeywords=4x100%20et35,4x100%20et37,4x100%20et38,4x100%20et40,4x100%20et42,4x100%20et45,4x100/54-1%20et45&strSort=Low&Make=Toyota&Model=Aygo&strSize=15%22

With 195/45/15 tires as everyone has advised.

Also, had an advisory on my MOT saying my discs where heavily corroded/pitted and the pads were worn. Is it worth putting these on:

http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=107780

http://www.balancemotorsport.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=107781

Or are they just fishing for money?

I would change brakes myself anyway. It's just got me worrying.

[geezbeez]

I fit EBC disks on an Alfa once. They were cheaper than the standard disks and claimed to be superior. They were not superior at all.

I have no experience of EBC disks on an Aygo, but I know there are 2 other companies which make disks for Aygo.

Have a look at Tarox and Black Diamond if you want uprated performance.

[jjj_aygo]

I'm using EBC at the moment and I do recommend them... I've noticed much less brake dust on my alloys since using the green stuff pads and I'm sure the discs are stronger than the standard Bosch... Paul on here used red stuff pads (I believe) and his Aygo has done the toyota sprint series. Definitely recommend EBC but I haven't tried others that geezbeez mentioned. Hope that helps you make a decision!

[kav]

So you're advising against upgrading tire/rim size when lowering?

that's me. 165/60/14. Alloys from factory.

Well, upgrading to larger number does not necessarily means improving. There are limits +

my opinion is that 165 is the limit for our Aygo...

i've come to this conclusion with other Greek Aygo owners who have also fitted 195s + alloys... they might move faster + think that cornering is better, but they

sacrificed everything else.

Car jumps when there is a match on the road, consumption is worst, they need to check daily air pressure, tyres are much more expensive, and of course some experienced grindind noise

from the domes...needless to say why.

i'll write once more. In Greece we have the worst EU roads. I'd never do such a mod. :)

Tyre's air pressure is the most important thing. 2-3 psi lower/higher have an impact on the road.

Also, had an advisory on my MOT saying my discs where heavily corroded/pitted and the pads were worn. Is it worth putting these on:

Or are they just fishing for money?

I would change brakes myself anyway. It's just got me worrying.

Visual check. place your nail on the disc + check the inlay.

look at the pads. if there is 1/3 left, get ready...

EBC GREEN is fine.

changed it in 2009 .

Apec discs.

All came from UK !

10 times better than toyota's and there is much more less dust in my wheels.

If you can afford other discs, do it. these get rusty, but they perform ok.

EBC won't rust, but they cost double money.

I performed the change my self, and it is relatively easy...

[kav]

anyona tried these ?

rust?

performance ?

just asking, cause price is fine...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290384346962&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[-Ub3R-]

jjj_aygo:

You've got 15's on your car.

How does your's drive?

[jjj_aygo]

Noticed better grip in every circumstance with the wider wheels... the actual total diameter isn't very different to that of the 14" wheels with standard tyres. I use Toyo Proxies T1r's and can't praise them highly enough, once they are up to temperature they are much more difficult to unstick!

[-Ub3R-]

You haven't experienced anything Kav said:

Car jumps when there is a match on the road, consumption is worst, they need to check daily air pressure, tyres are much more expensive, and of course some experienced grindind noise

from the domes...needless to say why.