Very Noisy Diesel Auris

[Cyker]

It does seem that the D4D's are more clattery than most other common-rail diesel engines.

My dad's Focus TDCI is very smooth, and my mate's diesel Audi A3 is also noticeably smoother that mine (Although its turbo whine is immense!).

I will say both my Yaris 1.4 D$D and my brother's Corolla 2.0 D4D both rev significantly higher than both the Focus TDCI and the A3 tho'

TBH tho', it's only at idle speeds that mine is really clattery; Stone cold at 800rpm, it's like a van but once I get going it's not noticeable and as it gets warmer it continues to get smoother.

I must admit I find the diesel clatter strangely soothing tho'

[acetip]

Ford injectors are Delphi, and they are common problems on both the Ford and Mercedes. The ECU is also Delphi.

Take a look on www.stdrivers.co.uk and type in 'Injectors' on the search bar, and let me know how many ST TDCI threads there are with the same symptoms, and the same expensive resolution from Ford... new injectors!

Anyway, this has gone off topic slightly and i've done my fair share of Mondeo bashing on the above mentioned forum, hence my change to a more reliable brand.

why people replace injection equipment instead of having them sorted by injection specialist i dont know.

injectors etc are far more complicated for example compared to my old passat 1.6 td.the equipment was boshce with rotary fuel pump.none of the injection equipment needed touching in the 15 years i had the car.but thats progress i suppose cars are lower emmision now and more efficient.though ive seen complaints some toyota diesels are thirsty.

but not all.the same with the the ford st not all have problems.with their engines.corroded wheels (trim) was a big

moaning point.

[dvd.ribeiro]

Well about the main issue here, the engine noise, I have a 2008 1.4 D-4D Auris. Since its 38000kilometers (not miles), I started noticing that the engine was producing a greater noise. The engine was noisier, in normal conditions.

The engine when is cold makes noise that it seems like a Toyota Dyna (ok now I'm exagerating!!), but is very noisy. When is hot, makes low noise but still makes it!

Today a Toyota dealer drove my car, because I was suspecting of a suspension problem (since I feel every little thing on the road, specially at low speed, and it makes the car very unconfortable...), and after driving it and telling me everything is ok, we drove another car just like mine, even with less kilometers, and it made more noise than mine(!!!).

So from my experience I'd say it's normal. More! My neighbour has a Corolla E12 '02 2.0 D4D and Jesus that's noisy! So my guess is our Auris when they arrive 100.000kilometers will be really noisy.

That's like rattles, live with them...

[Grippen]

ford use denso injection equipment which i beleave is the same toyota. toyota use a lot of denso made equipment.

dont think denso would have one quality grade difference between what they supply to ford and toyota.

its like duel mass flywheels supplied to most makes is made by LUC who invented it.

You are very wrong with that sentence. I cannot put my hands on the fire for Denso but I can tell you several other suppliers have different quality grades, one for Toyota and another for Renault for example. I know for sure that the test run by the steering wheel supplier for a Toyota and for a Renault are completely diferent. Steering weels for Toyota can take much more hours of intensive direct sun heat then a Renault.

[Crasstoe]

ford use denso injection equipment which i beleave is the same toyota. toyota use a lot of denso made equipment.

dont think denso would have one quality grade difference between what they supply to ford and toyota.

its like duel mass flywheels supplied to most makes is made by LUC who invented it.

You are very wrong with that sentence. I cannot put my hands on the fire for Denso but I can tell you several other suppliers have different quality grades, one for Toyota and another for Renault for example. I know for sure that the test run by the steering wheel supplier for a Toyota and for a Renault are completely diferent. Steering weels for Toyota can take much more hours of intensive direct sun heat then a Renault.

I agree, last car was a Renault Megane Coupe... the leather wheel turned into chewing gum

[Daveyonthemove]

Ford injectors are Delphi, and they are common problems on both the Ford and Mercedes. The ECU is also Delphi.

Take a look on www.stdrivers.co.uk and type in 'Injectors' on the search bar, and let me know how many ST TDCI threads there are with the same symptoms, and the same expensive resolution from Ford... new injectors!

Anyway, this has gone off topic slightly and i've done my fair share of Mondeo bashing on the above mentioned forum, hence my change to a more reliable brand.

why people replace injection equipment instead of having them sorted by injection specialist i dont know.

injectors etc are far more complicated for example compared to my old passat 1.6 td.the equipment was boshce with rotary fuel pump.none of the injection equipment needed touching in the 15 years i had the car.but thats progress i suppose cars are lower emmision now and more efficient.though ive seen complaints some toyota diesels are thirsty.

but not all.the same with the the ford st not all have problems.with their engines.corroded wheels (trim) was a big

moaning point.

The majority of car drivers are not experts in vehicle mechanics or fault finding, so when their car develops clouds of smoke and rough idle, they know there is a fault and rush to the dealers (supposed to be the experts) for a fix, and if the dealers tell them the car needs new injectors, they believe them.

I personally walked to a Delphi specialist in town, and while i was there seeking advice i was shown 2 ST TDCI's with the bonnet up in their workshop. They were bench testing the injectors after Ford recommended replacements.

I didn't bother to find out what the problem was, i was more concerned about how i was going to get rid of mine only 3 months after buying it!

[acetip]

Ford injectors are Delphi, and they are common problems on both the Ford and Mercedes. The ECU is also Delphi.

Take a look on www.stdrivers.co.uk and type in 'Injectors' on the search bar, and let me know how many ST TDCI threads there are with the same symptoms, and the same expensive resolution from Ford... new injectors!

Anyway, this has gone off topic slightly and i've done my fair share of Mondeo bashing on the above mentioned forum, hence my change to a more reliable brand.

why people replace injection equipment instead of having them sorted by injection specialist i dont know.

injectors etc are far more complicated for example compared to my old passat 1.6 td.the equipment was boshce with rotary fuel pump.none of the injection equipment needed touching in the 15 years i had the car.but thats progress i suppose cars are lower emmision now and more efficient.though ive seen complaints some toyota diesels are thirsty.

but not all.the same with the the ford st not all have problems.with their engines.corroded wheels (trim) was a big

moaning point.

The majority of car drivers are not experts in vehicle mechanics or fault finding, so when their car develops clouds of smoke and rough idle, they know there is a fault and rush to the dealers (supposed to be the experts) for a fix, and if the dealers tell them the car needs new injectors, they believe them.

I personally walked to a Delphi specialist in town, and while i was there seeking advice i was shown 2 ST TDCI's with the bonnet up in their workshop. They were bench testing the injectors after Ford recommended replacements.

I didn't bother to find out what the problem was, i was more concerned about how i was going to get rid of mine only 3 months after buying it!

did you not take the st for a road test before buying.you should had someone with you to advise you.

i wonder if the previous owner(s) had fitted one of those cheap tuning boxes that just increases injection pressures,

causing lots of problems.i know you will say that lots st owners complain about their injectors,but there are a lot of people complain about toyota oil consumption.but not all have these problems.its the luck of the draw if you buy a pup.it takes several miles to find out if your cars is using lots of oil,but it takes only a few minutes to know if the injection system is ok,that is if you know anyting about cars.a accelerator pedal playing up because the mats not secured, comes to mind.

[Daveyonthemove]

Ford injectors are Delphi, and they are common problems on both the Ford and Mercedes. The ECU is also Delphi.

Take a look on www.stdrivers.co.uk and type in 'Injectors' on the search bar, and let me know how many ST TDCI threads there are with the same symptoms, and the same expensive resolution from Ford... new injectors!

Anyway, this has gone off topic slightly and i've done my fair share of Mondeo bashing on the above mentioned forum, hence my change to a more reliable brand.

why people replace injection equipment instead of having them sorted by injection specialist i dont know.

injectors etc are far more complicated for example compared to my old passat 1.6 td.the equipment was boshce with rotary fuel pump.none of the injection equipment needed touching in the 15 years i had the car.but thats progress i suppose cars are lower emmision now and more efficient.though ive seen complaints some toyota diesels are thirsty.

but not all.the same with the the ford st not all have problems.with their engines.corroded wheels (trim) was a big

moaning point.

The majority of car drivers are not experts in vehicle mechanics or fault finding, so when their car develops clouds of smoke and rough idle, they know there is a fault and rush to the dealers (supposed to be the experts) for a fix, and if the dealers tell them the car needs new injectors, they believe them.

I personally walked to a Delphi specialist in town, and while i was there seeking advice i was shown 2 ST TDCI's with the bonnet up in their workshop. They were bench testing the injectors after Ford recommended replacements.

I didn't bother to find out what the problem was, i was more concerned about how i was going to get rid of mine only 3 months after buying it!

did you not take the st for a road test before buying.you should had someone with you to advise you.

i wonder if the previous owner(s) had fitted one of those cheap tuning boxes that just increases injection pressures,

causing lots of problems.i know you will say that lots st owners complain about their injectors,but there are a lot of people complain about toyota oil consumption.but not all have these problems.its the luck of the draw if you buy a pup.it takes several miles to find out if your cars is using lots of oil,but it takes only a few minutes to know if the injection system is ok,that is if you know anyting about cars.a accelerator pedal playing up because the mats not secured, comes to mind.

You patronising c0(k!

Firstly, the Mondeo i bougth came from Glasgow, and was sourced in especially for my order, so NO i wasn't able to drive the car before it arrived at the dealers.

When it did arrive i took it for a drive and noticed that the car pulled left, and made sure it was looked at.

The dealers claimed that the tracking was out (total crap) and the tyre was under inflated. The salesman sat in the car with me tried to tell me it was the camber of the road.

It turned out that it had 3 wrong tyres fitted, and after they were replaced it was driving straight.

Secondly, the car always started rough and smoked. The dealer was not interested as i had taken the car and made my payment for it. Typical ford. They claimed it was fine and all their diesel engines are like that, but a delphi specialist later told me that they don't, UNLESS the injectors are on their way out. That was a SPECIALIST opinion (notice that was Delphi NOT Denso, so who don't patronise me about who knows what about a car) and after seeing many issues relating to the same issues and remedies, that was enough for me to get rid of the car.

As for the comment about the car mat, i bought a car 3 weeks earlier and was well aware of the VERY highly publicised issue with accelerator problems. My car suddenly took off without notice causing me to stop the car by turning the ignition off. My immediate thought (like most peoples) was that i had this dangerous and well documented problem with the accelerator pedal. I don't think that was too much of a stupid conclusion under the circumstances.

As it was pitch black and the car does not have footwell lighting i was unable to see the issue straight off, so i came to this site for advice from fellow owners who may have experienced this issue for themselves.

Thankfully i was pointed in the right direction by someone who was actually here to help and not judge someone, and i was able to rectify the problem the next day in daylight, and was honest enough to make people on here aware of the embarrassing cause and face up to the mickey taking i expected.

In hindsight it was something that i would have checked if it was an issue i was aware of, but i wouldn't have known about it had i not asked on here, and thats how knowledge is gained.

Sadly i wasn't born with a haynes manual up my ***** like you clearly were, so i can't claim to know as much as you about cars, but i can assure you that i do know one thing..... whether you like it or not, MY Mondeo was a noisy car, and considering the list of faults i mentioned on the previous page, its clear to see that it was faulty and the noise was not surprising. That doesn't mean that YOUR'S is the same, i was just using a 2.2 common rail engine i was familiar with as a comparison against my current 2.2 common rail engine.

Now, as i tried subtly to point out on the last page, this has gone off topic and you clearly want to keep it going with an argument, but i can't be bothered to argue with someone who claims to know about a cars injection system, but can't get the make right. Seems a bit pointless.

I'm finished here. Adios :censor:

[acetip]

Ford injectors are Delphi, and they are common problems on both the Ford and Mercedes. The ECU is also Delphi.

Take a look on www.stdrivers.co.uk and type in 'Injectors' on the search bar, and let me know how many ST TDCI threads there are with the same symptoms, and the same expensive resolution from Ford... new injectors!

Anyway, this has gone off topic slightly and i've done my fair share of Mondeo bashing on the above mentioned forum, hence my change to a more reliable brand.

why people replace injection equipment instead of having them sorted by injection specialist i dont know.

injectors etc are far more complicated for example compared to my old passat 1.6 td.the equipment was boshce with rotary fuel pump.none of the injection equipment needed touching in the 15 years i had the car.but thats progress i suppose cars are lower emmision now and more efficient.though ive seen complaints some toyota diesels are thirsty.

but not all.the same with the the ford st not all have problems.with their engines.corroded wheels (trim) was a big

moaning point.

The majority of car drivers are not experts in vehicle mechanics or fault finding, so when their car develops clouds of smoke and rough idle, they know there is a fault and rush to the dealers (supposed to be the experts) for a fix, and if the dealers tell them the car needs new injectors, they believe them.

I personally walked to a Delphi specialist in town, and while i was there seeking advice i was shown 2 ST TDCI's with the bonnet up in their workshop. They were bench testing the injectors after Ford recommended replacements.

I didn't bother to find out what the problem was, i was more concerned about how i was going to get rid of mine only 3 months after buying it!

did you not take the st for a road test before buying.you should had someone with you to advise you.

i wonder if the previous owner(s) had fitted one of those cheap tuning boxes that just increases injection pressures,

causing lots of problems.i know you will say that lots st owners complain about their injectors,but there are a lot of people complain about toyota oil consumption.but not all have these problems.its the luck of the draw if you buy a pup.it takes several miles to find out if your cars is using lots of oil,but it takes only a few minutes to know if the injection system is ok,that is if you know anyting about cars.a accelerator pedal playing up because the mats not secured, comes to mind.

You patronising c0(k!

Firstly, the Mondeo i bougth came from Glasgow, and was sourced in especially for my order, so NO i wasn't able to drive the car before it arrived at the dealers.

When it did arrive i took it for a drive and noticed that the car pulled left, and made sure it was looked at.

The dealers claimed that the tracking was out (total crap) and the tyre was under inflated. The salesman sat in the car with me tried to tell me it was the camber of the road.

It turned out that it had 3 wrong tyres fitted, and after they were replaced it was driving straight.

Secondly, the car always started rough and smoked. The dealer was not interested as i had taken the car and made my payment for it. Typical ford. They claimed it was fine and all their diesel engines are like that, but a delphi specialist later told me that they don't, UNLESS the injectors are on their way out. That was a SPECIALIST opinion (notice that was Delphi NOT Denso, so who don't patronise me about who knows what about a car) and after seeing many issues relating to the same issues and remedies, that was enough for me to get rid of the car.

As for the comment about the car mat, i bought a car 3 weeks earlier and was well aware of the VERY highly publicised issue with accelerator problems. My car suddenly took off without notice causing me to stop the car by turning the ignition off. My immediate thought (like most peoples) was that i had this dangerous and well documented problem with the accelerator pedal. I don't think that was too much of a stupid conclusion under the circumstances.

As it was pitch black and the car does not have footwell lighting i was unable to see the issue straight off, so i came to this site for advice from fellow owners who may have experienced this issue for themselves.

Thankfully i was pointed in the right direction by someone who was actually here to help and not judge someone, and i was able to rectify the problem the next day in daylight, and was honest enough to make people on here aware of the embarrassing cause and face up to the mickey taking i expected.

In hindsight it was something that i would have checked if it was an issue i was aware of, but i wouldn't have known about it had i not asked on here, and thats how knowledge is gained.

Sadly i wasn't born with a haynes manual up my ***** like you clearly were, so i can't claim to know as much as you about cars, but i can assure you that i do know one thing..... whether you like it or not, MY Mondeo was a noisy car, and considering the list of faults i mentioned on the previous page, its clear to see that it was faulty and the noise was not surprising. That doesn't mean that YOUR'S is the same, i was just using a 2.2 common rail engine i was familiar with as a comparison against my current 2.2 common rail engine.

Now, as i tried subtly to point out on the last page, this has gone off topic and you clearly want to keep it going with an argument, but i can't be bothered to argue with someone who claims to know about a cars injection system, but can't get the make right. Seems a bit pointless.

I'm finished here. Adios :censor:

you did not answer the question A why did you buy if you had doubts about it.in why fall for the THEY ARE ALL LIKE THAT.no dont have much experiance with diesels,just 52 years working on diesel from 1.5 bhp to 33000 bhp.and owned

diesel cars since 1985.if you had read a haynes manuel,you would find aa fault finding section,also a mot section

would have some HELPED judge the car before buying.you say the car was sourced for you,then maybe you had to accepted it.which would be bad luck then.yes the mondeo st was not perfect car but there,are any cars,they had the bumper dropping issue,but ford bodyshops were instructed to replace them FOC.wheels on st tended to corrode on the polished edge of the spokes.ford considered wheels as trim and did not want to know after the first year of warranty.some other do the same.the duratec engine is not made by ford,but used by jaguar, citroen and others.

your st was a poor example of the model,but yor statement i will never buy a ford again is a bit unfair.though ive seen post on this forum people saying the samething about toyota.

maybe i came over in the earlier post a bit strong,then i opologise.the car you brought was not a good example and not a genuine ford recommended car,these are normaly very low miiage.you did not say how many miles the st had done.

c0(k!

[Crasstoe]

Mods? Anyone? May want to clean the above up...

[pajjy]

Mods? Anyone? May want to clean the above up...

for someone who has been a toyota owners club for 5 minutes and done 34 posts do you think everyone agrees with what you post.without calling on the moderator.reminds me of a kid at school telling a teacher of something another childs done.

i am sure the moderator is capable of doing his job without prompting.

i can see both sides of the dicussion.interesting reading.its no big deal.a slight differencs of opinion.

[Crasstoe]

Mods? Anyone? May want to clean the above up...

for someone who has been a toyota owners club for 5 minutes and done 34 posts do you think everyone agrees with what you post.without calling on the moderator.reminds me of a kid at school telling a teacher of something another childs done.

i am sure the moderator is capable of doing his job without prompting.

i can see both sides of the dicussion.interesting reading.its no big deal.a slight differencs of opinion.

Not getting dragged into a keyboard war, simply a statement to remind the 2 above that this isn't the unmoderated section of the Forum, and that it isn't exactly in the clubs interest to have arguments (no matter how small) on the public section.

I may be new to TOC but not to Forums, so please don't get your back up about me calling on a Mod to clean the thread. Likening me to a kid at school is hardly mature, and if I was anything like a 'kid at a school' I would simply insult people who I don't know, and start referring to post count as if it was some sort of representation of the size of your *****.

In short, the above stopped being a discussion as soon as it went off topic and unsavory words started getting thrown around :)

[Red Yaris 54]

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[Cyker]

My Yaris has been a bit weird lately. The usual Dakkadakkadakkadakka! sees to be less clattery than usual. Normally it gets worse in the cold!

The only thing that's changed is the clutch; Would that affect it?

[pajjy]

Mods? Anyone? May want to clean the above up...

for someone who has been a toyota owners club for 5 minutes and done 34 posts do you think everyone agrees with what you post.without calling on the moderator.reminds me of a kid at school telling a teacher of something another childs done.

i am sure the moderator is capable of doing his job without prompting.

i can see both sides of the dicussion.interesting reading.its no big deal.a slight differencs of opinion.

Not getting dragged into a keyboard war, simply a statement to remind the 2 above that this isn't the unmoderated section of the Forum, and that it isn't exactly in the clubs interest to have arguments (no matter how small) on the public section.

I may be new to TOC but not to Forums, so please don't get your back up about me calling on a Mod to clean the thread. Likening me to a kid at school is hardly mature, and if I was anything like a 'kid at a school' I would simply insult people who I don't know, and start referring to post count as if it was some sort of representation of the size of your *****.

In short, the above stopped being a discussion as soon as it went off topic and unsavory words started getting thrown around :)

see your point

[Crasstoe]

see your point

No worries man :)

The only thing that's changed is the clutch; Would that affect it?

My clutch is rattling when in Nuetral (getting looked at this saturday) so could be you were having a similar issue and never knew?!