Psa To Recall C1 And 107

[Parts-King]

The PSA group have launched a recall for Citroen C1 and Peugeot 107 models

NO Toyota Aygo models are affected by this recall, because of Toyota's policy to contain and repair vehicles where Quality Control identifies an issue before

delivery to customers, any work required has been checked or repaired before the car leaves the plant

There maybe media coverage to say that all three models are affected, this is not true, Aygo models in the UK are NOT affected, these are the Q & A's issued by Toyota GB

What was the condition?

On certain vehicles, there might have been a material thickness deviation in the right

hand front side member. In the worst case there might be a crack in the right hand front

side member.

What was the cause of this condition?

There was a possibility that the right hand front side member might have been

inaccurately manufactured.

Do all 3 brands share the same component?

Yes, the front side member is a common part used for all 3 brands

How many cases have been reported?

There have been no cases reported from the market.

How was this issue discovered?

This concern was discovered during the vehicle manufacturing Quality Control process.

What are Toyota / PSA intending to do for this concern?

PSA issued a Recall campaign on January 7th 2011.

Toyota will not issue a recall campaign

Why did Toyota not issue a recall and when PSA has issued one? Why is there a

difference?

We cannot comment on actions taken by other brands. Toyota performed a post

production check and a pre delivery correction. All Toyota Aygo vehicles which possibly

had an inaccurately manufactured right hand front side member were inspected and, if

necessary, corrected before delivery to customers. Therefore, Toyota does not need

to recall any vehicles.

Kingo

[Jan&tone]

Isn't that why we buy Toyota's instead of Citroens and Pugs?

(Actually isn't 'citroen' the French for Lemon ??)

[jjj_aygo]

(Actually isn't 'citroen' the French for Lemon ??)

HAHA I've always said that!

[MartyB]

I just hope it isn't Toyota taking a risk and saving on costs!!!!!

[Parts-King]

I just hope it isn't Toyota taking a risk and saving on costs!!!!!

That is the most ridiclous thing ive heard on here for a long time. I take it you are a founder member of the fellowship of the miserable MartyB?

Toyota actually have a procedure to monitor the product at the factory, discover a problem, put it right only for you to destroy that theory and think if they say nowt it will save a few quid..............is it the1st April?

Kingo

[Jan&tone]

I just hope it isn't Toyota taking a risk and saving on costs!!!!!

That is the most ridiclous thing ive heard on here for a long time. I take it you are a founder member of the fellowship of the miserable MartyB?

Toyota actually have a procedure to monitor the product at the factory, discover a problem, put it right only for you to destroy that theory and think if they say nowt it will save a few quid..............is it the1st April?

Kingo

As a matter of interest, are there actually 3 lines in the PSA factory, or do they all come off the same line? in which case why aren't the Citroens and Pugs picked up at the same time as the Aygos??

Has anyone actually been to the factory?, I know that some have been to Burnaston....

[Parts-King]

I would imagine there must be, it would not make sense to build the cars on one line, then fit all the individual componants on another. Toyota have in place their own QC department, seperate from PSA

Kingo

[FROSTYBALLS]

The TPCA plant in Czechoslovakia has a joint production line for the Aygo, 107 and C1. Toyota is responsible for the manufacturin, and have applied their standard production philosophy. However, PSA may not have adopted the same post production checks for their cars as Toyota. Hence the variance.

Given Toyota's recent experience with recalls, it would not be worth their while trying to cut costs and shirk responsibility for faults.

Variances in post production checks do exist. Back in 1994 we bought a new Honda Concerto - which was built on the same production line as the Rover 200/400 at Longbridge approx 10 miles away from us. Finished Concertos were trucked down to Honda at Swindon for post production checks - any rectification was carried out by Rover back at Longbridge.

This was highlighted when we had a problem with the driver's door central locking switch. The part was not available in Europe. Honda would not fit a Rover part, as it had not gone through the Honda quality assurance programme. The dealer had to remove the switch from another new, unsold Concerto and fit the switch to ours. The dealer had to wait three weeks for the correct part to arrive from Japan, before they could fit it to the donor car and sell it.

[ihpj]

Thanks for the Heads-Up Kingo. Spot on Chap.

[MartyB]

I'm a realist. I'm sure if Toyota had picked this problem up on the production line a while before then why didn't they tell the PSA boys about it? I get the impression the profit margin is so small on the Aygo they are happy to run risks with the car. You only have to see the leaks on the car for me to come to this conclusion. I love the car but I dont get the service that I had with the C1 :-(

[Jan van de Wouw]

(Actually isn't 'citroen' the French for Lemon ??)

Lemon translates to "citron" in French. So no "e" in there.

BUT... Mr. Citroën forefathers were actually Dutch as far

as I know and in Dutch a Lemon translates to "Citroen".

Which was actually derrived from "Limoenman" I read somewhere...

Their family moved to France and there (according to Wikipedia) one of

André Citroëns' teaches decided to write the name with the "trema" on the E.

[Geriatric]

"The PSA group have launched a recall for Citroen C1 and Peugeot 107 models"

There is no media cover on this. Has partsking got factual proof of this recall?

[Wh1teLeopard]

As a matter of interest, are there actually 3 lines in the PSA factory, or do they all come off the same line? in which case why aren't the Citroens and Pugs picked up at the same time as the Aygos??

Has anyone actually been to the factory?, I know that some have been to Burnaston....

See the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8492234.stm

It has a video of the factory, and it distinctly shows the aygo's on the same line.

[Jan&tone]

As a matter of interest, are there actually 3 lines in the PSA factory, or do they all come off the same line? in which case why aren't the Citroens and Pugs picked up at the same time as the Aygos??

Has anyone actually been to the factory?, I know that some have been to Burnaston....

See the BBC website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8492234.stm

It has a video of the factory, and it distinctly shows the aygo's on the same line.

Notf really surprised, after all i remember at Dagenham on the Sierra lines, there were EVERY model all on the same line, and i heard that

fiestas and Mazda 1's came off the same line too?

Whiteleopard, your signature not displaying btw....

[FROSTYBALLS]

Notf really surprised, after all i remember at Dagenham on the Sierra lines, there were EVERY model all on the same line, and i heard that

fiestas and Mazda 1's came off the same line too?

It was the 2003-07 Mazda 2 that was based on the Fiesta/Fusion, and European market models were built on the Fiesta/Fusion/Mazda 2 production line at Valencia. Ford benefitted from adopting Mazda production techniques.

[Geriatric]

Regarding recall on the C1 107 VOSA are unaware of it.

"Fortunately, we have not had to launch any 2011 recalls."

Yours sincerely

Andrew Tudor

Automotive Engineer

Vehicle Safety Branch

VOSA

If it was April 1st the whole matter would make ore sense!

[Jan&tone]

Notf really surprised, after all i remember at Dagenham on the Sierra lines, there were EVERY model all on the same line, and i heard that

fiestas and Mazda 1's came off the same line too?

It was the 2003-07 Mazda 2 that was based on the Fiesta/Fusion, and European market models were built on the Fiesta/Fusion/Mazda 2 production line at Valencia. Ford benefitted from adopting Mazda production techniques.

corrected, iknew it was something like that!!

[jjj_aygo]

Regarding recall on the C1 107 VOSA are unaware of it.

"Fortunately, we have not had to launch any 2011 recalls."

Yours sincerely

Andrew Tudor

Automotive Engineer

Vehicle Safety Branch

VOSA

If it was April 1st the whole matter would make ore sense!

That's odd... to say the least!

[Wh1teLeopard]

Perhaps there's just been a bit of a mix up with the year changing, I know I keep getting confused. I still think it's January 2010 and there was a recall on the 30th Jan 2010.

(thanks for the tip about my signature, forgot all about that)

[Geriatric]

"The PSA group have launched a recall for Citroen C1 and Peugeot 107 models"

There is no media cover on this. Has parts-king got factual proof of this recall?

Still nothing from parts-king and it is looking more and more like that the info. is not correct.

[Geriatric]

VOSA have reconfirmed at 17.00 hours there are no 2011 recalls.

[AYGOgummy]

Just to clarify, if this has only just come to light, is it only the most recent 107/C1s that are affected? If cars were checked in Quality Control etc... that's what the article suggests to me anyway. The media will probably grab it like they always do, though.

And all the "Citroen means lemon jokes"... the C1 is the *same* car as the Aygo, remember! Half of the bits in our Aygos are Citroen-sourced - don't forget that! The air vents are Peugeot-Citroen, for example, the seats are Peugeot-Citroen sourced, the door-handles are Peugeot-Citroen, to name just a few components. Citroen are doing well these days in terms of reliability etc - and you only have to sit in a DS3 to see how far quality has come. So before we start knocking Citroen, just remember that if it weren't for them and Peugeot, the Aygo wouldn't exist, and vice versa.

[Jan&tone]

And all the "Citroen means lemon jokes"... the C1 is the *same* car as the Aygo, remember! Half of the bits in our Aygos are Citroen-sourced - don't forget that! The air vents are Peugeot-Citroen, for example, the seats are Peugeot-Citroen sourced, the door-handles are Peugeot-Citroen, to name just a few components. Citroen are doing well these days in terms of reliability etc - and you only have to sit in a DS3 to see how far quality has come. So before we start knocking Citroen, just remember that if it weren't for them and Peugeot, the Aygo wouldn't exist, and vice versa.

Tut, tut, and I thought you scousers had a sense of humour

[hertsnminds]

It is standard practice to share resources where possible. The Lotus Elise and Vauxhall/Opel/GM VX220 were made side by side on the same production line in Norfolk. The difference comes in the parts supplied to the factory and the checks made after production. GM sent their own engines to be fitted into the VX whilst Lotus were initially using the Rover K series engines until they switched to Toyota engines.

Fiat use common parts across all of their brands so you could find Fiat parts in a Alfa and vice versa, I suspect you will also find Ford, Mazda Aston Martin, Jaguar and Volvo cars with the same components. I think it is very confusing when we are told certain cars share DNA, we are never told what makes them different.

[jjj_aygo]

And all the "Citroen means lemon jokes"... the C1 is the *same* car as the Aygo, remember! Half of the bits in our Aygos are Citroen-sourced - don't forget that! The air vents are Peugeot-Citroen, for example, the seats are Peugeot-Citroen sourced, the door-handles are Peugeot-Citroen, to name just a few components. Citroen are doing well these days in terms of reliability etc - and you only have to sit in a DS3 to see how far quality has come. So before we start knocking Citroen, just remember that if it weren't for them and Peugeot, the Aygo wouldn't exist, and vice versa.

Yes, but according to the information in this post... Toyota's are the ones that are quality checked BEFORE delivery to customers which is why Toyota won't be re-calling! :) well done Toyota!