Too Much Oil?

[driving instructor shell]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

[Mistermena]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

Hello fellow driving instructor. I think that amount of oil usage is totally absurd to. My VW Polo TDi doesn't use a drop! and its got 185000 miles on her. Can I ask what oil your using to top up with? I'd go back to garage and tell them your not happy with this kind of oil usage. I'd also contact Toyota and ask them to look into it, because thats a crazy amount of oil to be shunting out of the backend of the car...

[driving instructor shell]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

Hello fellow driving instructor. I think that amount of oil usage is totally absurd to. My VW Polo TDi doesn't use a drop! and its got 185000 miles on her. Can I ask what oil your using to top up with? I'd go back to garage and tell them your not happy with this kind of oil usage. I'd also contact Toyota and ask them to look into it, because thats a crazy amount of oil to be shunting out of the backend of the car...

I used Halfords own make, I went with the one recomended in the Halfords guide book, have always used Halfords own make and its been ok, going to ring head office today to see if I get any joy. It has put me off getting another

Yaris though, which is a shame but hey.

[driving instructor shell]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

Hello fellow driving instructor. I think that amount of oil usage is totally absurd to. My VW Polo TDi doesn't use a drop! and its got 185000 miles on her. Can I ask what oil your using to top up with? I'd go back to garage and tell them your not happy with this kind of oil usage. I'd also contact Toyota and ask them to look into it, because thats a crazy amount of oil to be shunting out of the backend of the car...

I used Halfords own make, I went with the one recomended in the Halfords guide book, have always used Halfords own make and its been ok, going to ring head office today to see if I get any joy. It has put me off getting another

Yaris though, which is a shame but hey.

Update: Spoke to head office, they want me to run the car for a thousand miles and measure how much oil she uses, if less than one liter there is nothing they can do? If it is more than a liter she is to go back in. This will be the third time I have done this, however this time I am measuring it, last time the garage measured it? Could do without her going back into the garage. I avarage a thousand miles in a week so will give it a go.

[mechanic39]

Hallo,(1) Why are't you using the official Toyota Oil? or why is your(Toyota)Dealer not using it at the Service?

(2) In cold weather,and driving short "stop and start" distances, with the heater going full blast. The engine is

probably running too cold, which is bad for a Diesel. This condition leads to more water condensation contaminating

the engine oil. With the oil being thinned out with water,it will naturally get past Piston rings,Valve stems,etc,

so getting burnt up quicker. (3) Have the engine given a full Emission check on a Toyota Diagnostic tester, with

Printout. This should give you a correct answer to what is wrong. Beware of "Discount" Engine oils, in extreme use,

these can cost more than you can dream of! I've been driving petrol Toyota's since 1970,never used oil between changes,

not even at -25ºc to +40ºc air temperature,and(sometimes)short distances. But have had wide experience of expensive

European cars, which used 1lt of oil p/1000kms, in normal use. (This figure was often quoted in Factory Manuals).

If you write Toyota UK,or Toyota Technical Headquarters Europe, a full report on your problem, you'll get help.

Good luck.

[Madasafish]

2) In cold weather,and driving short "stop and start" distances, with the heater going full blast. The engine is

probably running too cold, which is bad for a Diesel. This condition leads to more water condensation contaminating

the engine oil. With the oil being thinned out with water,it will naturally get past Piston rings,Valve stems,etc,

so getting burnt up quicker

Hmm does not happen to me.

Did not happen on Pegeot 106 diesel which averaged 1 mile journeys over 17 years.

Never heard of it happening in UK.

[Madasafish]

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duplicate in error.

[driving instructor shell]

Thank you mechanic39, I do see where your coming from however I have always used Halfords oil and have found no problem with it, its a bit like buying Gucci when a supermarket brand is just as good. I know you would argue with that so on that one I think we should agree to disagree, as for the dealer I have never questioned the oil they used. I do appreciate as a driving instructor I do a lot of stop start however my previous Yaris didn't use oil like this one and none of my fellow instructors have the problem I am having.

You don't work for Toyota do you?

Saying that all advise is greatly appreciated and taken on board :-)

[grin factor]

It is rubbish that it is "acceptable" for a modern day engine to use 1 litre of oil per 1000 miles. In the 1930's yes, but today definately not.

As for using different types of oil, that is also nonsense. Oils these days are excellent.

I believe there is a problem with your car, and I believe the garage does too. They said at the begining it was using too much oil, and that the turbo was at fault, so why now have they changed their tune? It stinks to me.

Have you contacted Toyota UK? I don't think they'd want any more bad publicity after last years.

Good luck

[Hartside]

It's perfectly normal to use some oil in the first 5000 miles of use. It should settle down after this. Most car manuals do state that 1L/1000miles is normal and I've seen it in Vauxhall, Ford, Audi and VW handbooks, however I must admit I wouldn't be happy if either of my cars had oil consumption like that. It's a bit of a disclaimer in my opinion.

Oil consumption can also be affected by the way the car is "run in" If you constantly have the car driven at very low rev ranges there is a possibility the rings have become clogged and are allowing oil to bypass into the combustion chambers. Even on run in, it's advisable to reach high revs through the gears two or three times a week to keep them free.

[Jamesbelfast]

A blown turbo will cause low engine oil pressure so it looks like your engine is damaged. This is a very common problem on many makes of cars and not just Toyotas.

In other words the engine is furbarred - the problem is convincing Toyota that's the case.

Most manufacturers claim 1 litre per 1000 miles is acceptable.

I shouldn't say this but if Toyota are giving you the opportunity to measure oil consumption don't look a gift horse in the mouth - nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

In over 40 years in the motor trade I have never heard of condensation in engine thinning engine oil - in fact it does the opposite. The globules of water actually cause the oil to emulsify - thus becoming thicker.

Think about it - whats the easiest to pour out of a bottle - oil or mayonaise.:)

[Mistermena]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

Hello fellow driving instructor. I think that amount of oil usage is totally absurd to. My VW Polo TDi doesn't use a drop! and its got 185000 miles on her. Can I ask what oil your using to top up with? I'd go back to garage and tell them your not happy with this kind of oil usage. I'd also contact Toyota and ask them to look into it, because thats a crazy amount of oil to be shunting out of the backend of the car...

I used Halfords own make, I went with the one recomended in the Halfords guide book, have always used Halfords own make and its been ok, going to ring head office today to see if I get any joy. It has put me off getting another

Yaris though, which is a shame but hey.

To be honest I don't know who maks the oil for Halfords. It my well be a large company or someone small like Morrris. I know that VW's Quantum oil is Castrol EDGE in there own can.

I'd look at a different oil to see if that makes a difference. Mobil 1 ESP is a great oil meeting both Vw's 507 00 spec and C2.

But I think very much along the lines of the others who have posted on here. I think the engine is F****d :censor:

Take it back and tell them its using over a litre of oil and get Mr T to run full tests on it...

[acetip]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

Hello fellow driving instructor. I think that amount of oil usage is totally absurd to. My VW Polo TDi doesn't use a drop! and its got 185000 miles on her. Can I ask what oil your using to top up with? I'd go back to garage and tell them your not happy with this kind of oil usage. I'd also contact Toyota and ask them to look into it, because thats a crazy amount of oil to be shunting out of the backend of the car...

I used Halfords own make, I went with the one recomended in the Halfords guide book, have always used Halfords own make and its been ok, going to ring head office today to see if I get any joy. It has put me off getting another

Yaris though, which is a shame but hey.

To be honest I don't know who maks the oil for Halfords. It my well be a large company or someone small like Morrris. I know that VW's Quantum oil is Castrol EDGE in there own can.

I'd look at a different oil to see if that makes a difference. Mobil 1 ESP is a great oil meeting both Vw's 507 00 spec and C2.

But I think very much along the lines of the others who have posted on here. I think the engine is F****d :censor:

Take it back and tell them its using over a litre of oil and get Mr T to run full tests on it...

you can use other methods to makes sure that it uses more than the 1ltr/1000 miles requiment before they will rectify.dont need to spell it out do i.

[acetip]

I have a '10 plate 1.4 yaris diesel, she is my second yaris as I was more than happy with the first. However she is guzzling oil like no bodies business. I origionaly took her back to the garage and was told the turbo had gone, hence using too much oil. The turbo was replaced and she was still using lots of oil so I took her back at the garages request, they then decided that the new diesel engine is exceptable using a liter of oil for every thousand miles. I think this is utterly absurd. The lastest figures i have are 19 days ago I filled the oil and in that time I have done 1700 miles, I have had to refill the oil this morning! My other yaris would go the whole 10000 miles before the oil was 'toped up' not competley refilled.

Has any one else had a problem with oil, and does any one elese think that a liter every thousand miles is ok? At this rate over a three year period I will be paying nearly a thousand pound in oil!

trouble is that Castrol EDGE doess not meet the C2 spec as required in some diesels come to that nor does MAGNATEC.

Hello fellow driving instructor. I think that amount of oil usage is totally absurd to. My VW Polo TDi doesn't use a drop! and its got 185000 miles on her. Can I ask what oil your using to top up with? I'd go back to garage and tell them your not happy with this kind of oil usage. I'd also contact Toyota and ask them to look into it, because thats a crazy amount of oil to be shunting out of the backend of the car...

I used Halfords own make, I went with the one recomended in the Halfords guide book, have always used Halfords own make and its been ok, going to ring head office today to see if I get any joy. It has put me off getting another

Yaris though, which is a shame but hey.

To be honest I don't know who maks the oil for Halfords. It my well be a large company or someone small like Morrris. I know that VW's Quantum oil is Castrol EDGE in there own can.

I'd look at a different oil to see if that makes a difference. Mobil 1 ESP is a great oil meeting both Vw's 507 00 spec and C2.

But I think very much along the lines of the others who have posted on here. I think the engine is F****d :censor:

Take it back and tell them its using over a litre of oil and get Mr T to run full tests on it...

the problem is edge is not C2 spec,nor is magnatec if you have a diesel with a DPF

[Madasafish]

If the original poster is using non approved oil to top up excess usage, he may be invalidating his warranty.

Since Toyota sell oil at reasonable prices, why not use theirs?

[Jan&tone]

Just to put my two penneth in.... I've had Toyotas for over 20 years and have NEVER had to put oil in between services... At one point I had enough 'free' pots of oil that I'd been given after a service to give it back to the dealer for a discount on a service!!!

The only car that is 'guaranteed' to use oil as far as I know, is the Mazda rx8 - and I believe that is 1litre per 1000 miles....

I think you have a problem mate!

[acetip]

If the original poster is using non approved oil to top up excess usage, he may be invalidating his warranty.

Since Toyota sell oil at reasonable prices, why not use theirs?

toyota dont recommend any particuler make of oil,but the oil you use should meet the spec (in handbook)for your engine.so if the Halfords oil meets the spec,then there will be no problem with any warranty claims.

Halfords dont produce their own oil but its a good bet its made by one of the major oil companies and i include morris oils, who produce a quality product.

if you purchase oil from a toyota dealers,you will be offered toyota oil in toyota packaging.but this does not mean that they use toyota oil in their workshop when servicing your car.the can use any oil they like as its the correct spec.

as ive mentioned on other posts that my local dealer has used Castrol and now uses Mobil.

[Cyker]

Yeah, they can't just invalidate the warranty just because you didn't use their oil! Assuming the oil used was up to spec of course.

I was just thinking, one problem that had symptoms like this on the earlier Mk1 D4D's was a seal failure in the head gasket; Might be worth checking?

[driving instructor shell]

Ahem the original poster (me) is a female thank you and I don't see why I would invalidate warranty as the oil I used is manufacture approved.

Thanks to every one for the replies I will keep post up to date with what's happening. Not going to let them get away with this one as one of you said they've already admitted a fault when they replaced the turbo!

[acetip]

Ahem the original poster (me) is a female thank you and I don't see why I would invalidate warranty as the oil I used is manufacture approved.

Thanks to every one for the replies I will keep post up to date with what's happening. Not going to let them get away with this one as one of you said they've already admitted a fault when they replaced the turbo!

you maybe asked to prove that the car has been serviced to toyota schedule and toyota servicing parts were used if it was not done at a toyota dealership.youll need receipts etc to prove it

it may pay to mention that other driving instructors may be influenced whether to purchase toyota in future for their job on the outcome of your problem.

that may get them thinking to be sympathetic with your claim.

[alfiejts]

Been watching this thread to see how it developed... We've always had petrol Yarii and like others say, they don't use oil but a turbodiesel engine is a different beast.

I was going to ask whether you using a 5w oil or a 10w as both are approved - but then I read the manual and realised that this only applies to petrol engines.

For diesel, the manual doesn't actually suggest any particular grade, simply stating that the oil should be ACEA B1 or API-CF compliant.

I'm not into my diesel oil specs, but I assume you can get oils that comply with that spec in different grades.

Reason I mention it is that my Audi approved turbodiesel oil used to be a 0w oil, but Audi have upgraded their longlife oil spec and the currently approved oil is now a 5w spec oil.

For the first few years when I had the car and it was being serviced with 0w oil, I was going through top ups like nobodies business. I used to buy oil in 5 litre cans just to top up between services....

But since the official spec has changed to 5w oil, the car is hardly using any - perhaps a litre between services but that's it....

Might be worth trying an oil that is slightly thicker just to see if it helps as much as it did with my Audi, assuming you can find one with the right spec.

[Jan&tone]

Might be worth trying an oil that is slightly thicker just to see if it helps as much as it did with my Audi, assuming you can find one with the right spec.

lol - reminds me of my old old old Ford Popular.... it started burning oil, so we simply increased the viscosity till it stopped! I think we finished up with sae40 in the end... then we got rid

[Madasafish]

My Yaris diesel has used 5-30W semi s.. for 4 years with minimal oil consumption..

(Maybe it's the way I drive it? :-)

[mrpj]

My 3 month old Diesel Yaris has factory filled 0W/30 in the engine and has not used any oil, going by the dipstick, in over 2000 miles from new. The level is checked on the same piece of drive and 5 minutes after switching off every time. I've owned many Diesel cars over the last 25 years and not one of them has required a top up between oil changes.

For the op's "10" registered car to have required a new turbocharger so soon has to indicate that something has has gone seriously wrong, for example stopping the engine immediately after a high speed run when the t/c will still be spinning without oil. (I'm not saying that has happened!) I've not been on this forum long but haven't read of any instances of a t/c failure after such a short time.

There has to be something definitely not right with the op's engine ( a bit of an understatement?). Hopefully Toyota will realise this, eventually, and do something about it?

[Madasafish]

If the turbocharger failed and broke its vanes or its bearings collapsed, pieces of metal could have got into the intercooler and then into the enginee.. scoring the bores?