Too Much Oil?

[acetip]

If the turbocharger failed and broke its vanes or its bearings collapsed, pieces of metal could have got into the intercooler and then into the enginee.. scoring the bores?

not to mention bending valves and possibly conrods.mind you the intercooler would filter out the larger pieces, but if there was enough smaller bits with a diesel there not much room to play with.remember a fitter dropping a split pin down a injector hole and not noticing,when the engine was started the banging when the piston hit was terrible

luckly not much damage done.but the foreman blew his top.

[driving instructor shell]

The oil I have been using is Halfords 10W/40 the one recommended in the file that is beside the oils,I will admit I am not mechanical at all, hence turning to you guys for help but I am not daft and I know when something is not right!

So far since I re filled the oil (on the 29th when I rang Toyota head office back) I have done 300 miles and the oil is showing as half way down the min / max on the dip stick!

I will phone them back as they asked as soon as I get to 1000 miles or the oil is gone, which ever is first, in this case I think it will be the oil

[acetip]

The oil I have been using is Halfords 10W/40 the one recommended in the file that is beside the oils,I will admit I am not mechanical at all, hence turning to you guys for help but I am not daft and I know when something is not right!

So far since I re filled the oil (on the 29th when I rang Toyota head office back) I have done 300 miles and the oil is showing as half way down the min / max on the dip stick!

I will phone them back as they asked as soon as I get to 1000 miles or the oil is gone, which ever is first, in this case I think it will be the oil

hi Shell,

get rid of some more oil (wink) and take it in.if you dont the oil changes yourself, then get someone to drain a little more off so at the thousand miles its used more than the 1 ltr min required.

naughty i know.but there.make sure there is no sign of oil plug being touched.

[Raeman]

Maybe it's not the entirely the car at fault but the way the car's been driven??

Either way, if it's a 10 plate you still have the Toyota warranty.

[acetip]

Maybe it's not the entirely the car at fault but the way the car's been driven??

Either way, if it's a 10 plate you still have the Toyota warranty.

seeing the car is used by learner drivers then its not going to have the best of treatment what with stalling,getting in wrong gear etc.

[driving instructor shell]

I agree the car has a bit of a hammering but it should still be up to its job. I have been a instructor for a number of years and have never came across this before?

[Cyker]

Yeah, the D4D can take a lot of abuse so I doubt it's the learners that is causing the oil consumption.

The usual weak point on learner cars is the clutch

(I always wondered if instructors get heavy duty clutchs fitted )

Are we sure the oil isn't leaking out somewhere? The exhaust will be slightly blue-tinged if it's being burned up...

[driving instructor shell]

1000 mile update :

I rang Toyota head office to be told again that the amount of oil she's using is fine! they wont give me a courtesy car with dual controls or let me hire one and claim the cost back off them whilst my car is in the garage being looked at.

I have had a mechanical friend offer to look at her to give me some back up but I cant see Toyota budging, my worry is in two / three years time what trouble am I storing up for myself?

Outcome : voting with my feet and changing my car, going to buy a Alfa Romeo Mito. Its a shame because I

do like the yaris but if they are not prepared to help me, they have lost me

Huge thank you to all you guys for your support and advice.

[Mistermena]

Maybe it's not the entirely the car at fault but the way the car's been driven??

Either way, if it's a 10 plate you still have the Toyota warranty.

seeing the car is used by learner drivers then its not going to have the best of treatment what with stalling,getting in wrong gear etc.

My car (VW Polo 1.4 TDi) is a learner car. And its almost done 190k. Never used any oil. No warning lights have ever come on. Still on the same gearbox/clutch/Turbo etc. So I think that MR T should have a good old look at the car and get it sorted asap. With VW it had a 30000 mile service interval on there longlife scheme. But I think that a crazy amount of miles to do on an oil, so I changed my oil ever 6k and then went back to the dealer at 30000k for the sevice to keep the warranty up when it had one...

I wish you well with your new car. Hope its a good un for you

[Madasafish]

I suspect learner drivers do not drive in a style conducive to easing off wearing parts.

A good Italian tune up and a 100 mile run at 3,000 rpm might bed in the rings and reduce oil consumption...

[acetip]

I suspect learner drivers do not drive in a style conducive to easing off wearing parts.

A good Italian tune up and a 100 mile run at 3,000 rpm might bed in the rings and reduce oil consumption...

dont think there is anything in toyota warrany that invalidates a vehicle if its used for learning to drive in.

its a pity our man did not drain off enough oil from the sump so toyoya could not claim the oil consumption was exeptable.i would have done,and so would many others.

as for 100 miles at 3000 rpm,not ideal way to run in any vehicle.running in by keeping engine at one constant speed is no no.but there where could we do that on our roads.

[acetip]

hi again

further to running in an engine.

modern engines do not need the old ways of driving at 30 mph or what ever, for the first few hundred miles.

you can drive them just normaly but no hard acceleration,or full throttle work.modern materials and machining and the improved lubricants help.

if your driving on say a motorway and keeping up with the traffic speed it pays every few miles to take your foot smartly off the throttle for a few seconds as this draws more oil into the bores.this helps with the bedding in.

years ago it was common to see,almost on every corner a car delivery driver thumbing a lift after delivering a car to a dealer.you could tell by them having a set of trade number plates with them.they were given money to get back to where they picked the car up,but they could save this buy getting a lift.i had not seen one of these drivers for many years.i thought that they must be all delivered on a lorry now days.so i was surprised when i took my auris in in for it sevice by mr t,to see one of these delivery drivers stsnding in the show room.i had a bit of a natter with him.he didnt just deliver toyotas but many other makes.

the point is the delivery drivers dont hang about when delivering cars,the more than can deliver more they can make.

so the car your so carefully running in as most likly had a good thrashing before you get it.you dont who has driven or how its been driven before you collect your nice new shiny car.

but as ive said modern engines dont need to be handled with kid gloves.just use common sense.

[driving instructor shell]

You will not believe what has happened now!!!!!!!

I was sat at a junction, lifted my clutch to go ( no gas used ) and my exhaust made a pop sound followed by more thick smoke than I have ever seen! Couldn't see out of my windows for smoke. Pulled car over and turned engine off. Wasn't on a lesson at this point, thank goodness. The smoke smelt fowl and was so thick. When I re started the engine it seemed ok so I drove home to ring the garage. Its Thursday, they wont do any thing till Monday!!!!!! They are still adamant that a litre every 1000 miles is fine and that the smoke problem is unrelated!!!!!!! ( Can you tell I am a tad annoyed lol )

They think the car will be in the garage for up to a week but are refusing to pay for a dual control hire car. I hate to say it and I feel awful but I think they are playing the 'she's a female and doesn't know anything' card, I haven't a clue what the problem could be. Hubby is coming with me on Monday for back up but to be honest I cant wait to sell the car. Just want rid now :censor:

[driving instructor shell]

AND every time garage mentioned smoke they used the word 'puff' as though it was a little amount of smoke. believe me it wasn't a little amount!!!

They know exactly what is wrong with the bl***y car!!!!! :censor:

[acetip]

AND every time garage mentioned smoke they used the word 'puff' as though it was a little amount of smoke. believe me it wasn't a little amount!!!

They know exactly what is wrong with the bl***y car!!!!! :censor:

cany you try another dealer for a opinion.

[Red diesel]

You will not believe what has happened now!!!!!!!

I was sat at a junction, lifted my clutch to go ( no gas used ) and my exhaust made a pop sound followed by more thick smoke than I have ever seen! Couldn't see out of my windows for smoke. Pulled car over and turned engine off. Wasn't on a lesson at this point, thank goodness. The smoke smelt fowl and was so thick. When I re started the engine it seemed ok so I drove home to ring the garage. Its Thursday, they wont do any thing till Monday!!!!!! They are still adamant that a litre every 1000 miles is fine and that the smoke problem is unrelated!!!!!!! ( Can you tell I am a tad annoyed lol )

They think the car will be in the garage for up to a week but are refusing to pay for a dual control hire car. I hate to say it and I feel awful but I think they are playing the 'she's a female and doesn't know anything' card, I haven't a clue what the problem could be. Hubby is coming with me on Monday for back up but to be honest I cant wait to sell the car. Just want rid now :censor:

Tell Toyota you are not a happy bunny and you won't have another Toyota unless the current one is made perfect - asap, if your not happy with dealer response try

and meet with the head boss chap in person*. If that don't work kick up merry hell with Toyota GB, unless they are the biggest clowns ever - they should get up of their :censor: backside and look after you. It really is baffling how manufacturers deal with these matters - they really

don't get why customers are "not happy" with cars burning a litre of oil per 1000 miles. Our Nissan at home has the Renault 1.5 Dci diesel

and the only time its had oil put into it is during routine servicing.

Incidentally the Mito is reputed to have terrible ride quality - a fiesta or MINI (without runflats) may suit better. The

newer MINIs don't actually use the Toyota D4D engine as after 06 they switched to the PSA HDI 1.6. How does the A1 Audi compare on price

to a Mito - they seem to be getting good reviews in the press and ride seems (from reports) to be fine if you don't have sports suspension.

Best of luck whatever happens

Red diesel

*hard though it may be - be diplomatic but don't be walked over either.

[dwilson]

Might be worth trying an oil that is slightly thicker just to see if it helps as much as it did with my Audi, assuming you can find one with the right spec.

lol - reminds me of my old old old Ford Popular.... it started burning oil, so we simply increased the viscosity till it stopped! I think we finished up with sae40 in the end... then we got rid

I had a 1962 Ford Popular in the 1970s and did a similar trick - using the most viscous oil I could find! Ended up with my Dad fitting new piston rings. How I wish I was that practical

David

[Hartside]

Incidentally the Mito is reputed to have terrible ride quality

I've driven 3 different Mito's as courtesy cars, a diesel, a 120hp and a 95hp version and would disagree. Ride quality is not a problem

[driving instructor shell]

RESULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After my mini explosion of smoke, the garage have now decided that there is a fault, they say the turbo that they fitted when the first one was done is also faulty! so are now replacing it. Still selling her as soon as she is fixed because of the way they have spoke to me but at least they have finally admitted there IS a problem

[pajjy]

RESULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After my mini explosion of smoke, the garage have now decided that there is a fault, they say the turbo that they fitted when the first one was done is also faulty! so are now replacing it. Still selling her as soon as she is fixed because of the way they have spoke to me but at least they have finally admitted there IS a problem

well done,great result.

[Cyker]

I do find it amusingly ironic that you've gotten an Alfa for reliability because the Toyota was unreliable!

[Mistermena]

What a long thread! I'm pleased that it will be finally sorted out for you. Hope all is well in the future

[Hartside]

I do find it amusingly ironic that you've gotten an Alfa for reliability because the Toyota was unreliable!

I sold a new Honda Civic to get an Alfa GT, as a result of the Honda being in the garage 15 times in 18 months. I sold it at this point as I was pig sick of it. The Alfa only ever needed a new boot light in 3 years ownership. When I bought the Honda I patted myself on the back for buying a "reliable" car! There's good and bad in every marque and it's a bummer when you buy a lemon.

[acetip]

I do find it amusingly ironic that you've gotten an Alfa for reliability because the Toyota was unreliable!

I sold a new Honda Civic to get an Alfa GT, as a result of the Honda being in the garage 15 times in 18 months. I sold it at this point as I was pig sick of it. The Alfa only ever needed a new boot light in 3 years ownership. When I bought the Honda I patted myself on the back for buying a "reliable" car! There's good and bad in every marque and it's a bummer when you buy a lemon.

very true.

[GS John]

I do find it amusingly ironic that you've gotten an Alfa for reliability because the Toyota was unreliable!

I sold a new Honda Civic to get an Alfa GT, as a result of the Honda being in the garage 15 times in 18 months. I sold it at this point as I was pig sick of it. The Alfa only ever needed a new boot light in 3 years ownership. When I bought the Honda I patted myself on the back for buying a "reliable" car! There's good and bad in every marque and it's a bummer when you buy a lemon.

very true.

And another lemon from Mr T IMO in the shape of a Rav4 that's going to be replaced by a Yaris next Friday

Never ever had a car that caused so much agro in such a short time, that cost me so much.