Egine Oil

[diverdave]

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of getting my oil changed in my gen III Prius and can't seem to find anywhere local that sells the 0w-20 that is specified. I have looked on the Halfords site but they don't seem to sell it.I have seen it on internet sites but prefer to get it from somewhere local if possible. Can anyone tell me where I can get it from and how much I might have to pay.

Thanks. :)

[Jan&tone]

Silly question perhaps,and it's obviously your choice, but if you have a Gen3 it's less than 2 years old... why are you changing the oil yourself?? personally until a car is 3 years old or out of warranty, I don't touch it!!

However, going by previous threads, Halfords recommend (strangely enough) 5w-30 for Prius Gen3's - which is incorrect.... 0w-20 is the only oil that should go anywhere near a gen3....

[diverdave]

Silly question perhaps,and it's obviously your choice, but if you have a Gen3 it's less than 2 years old... why are you changing the oil yourself?? personally until a car is 3 years old or out of warranty, I don't touch it!!

However, going by previous threads, Halfords recommend (strangely enough) 5w-30 for Prius Gen3's - which is incorrect.... 0w-20 is the only oil that should go anywhere near a gen3....

Hi jan&tone,

I wasn't going to change it myself, but I found that if you have a service done and provide your own oil you get it for about £40 cheaper.

[Jan&tone]

Silly question perhaps,and it's obviously your choice, but if you have a Gen3 it's less than 2 years old... why are you changing the oil yourself?? personally until a car is 3 years old or out of warranty, I don't touch it!!

However, going by previous threads, Halfords recommend (strangely enough) 5w-30 for Prius Gen3's - which is incorrect.... 0w-20 is the only oil that should go anywhere near a gen3....

Hi jan&tone,

I wasn't going to change it myself, but I found that if you have a service done and provide your own oil you get it for about £40 cheaper.

Point taken! I'll remember that for when mine is due! - not sure how it would alter the service plan though

[diverdave]

Silly question perhaps,and it's obviously your choice, but if you have a Gen3 it's less than 2 years old... why are you changing the oil yourself?? personally until a car is 3 years old or out of warranty, I don't touch it!!

However, going by previous threads, Halfords recommend (strangely enough) 5w-30 for Prius Gen3's - which is incorrect.... 0w-20 is the only oil that should go anywhere near a gen3....

Hi jan&tone,

I wasn't going to change it myself, but I found that if you have a service done and provide your own oil you get it for about £40 cheaper.

Point taken! I'll remember that for when mine is due! - not sure how it would alter the service plan though

When you book it in for a 10,000 or 20,000 sevice just ask how much it is going to cost, THEN ask how much it would be if you provided your own oil, when I did it the chap booking it in was even surprised how much cheaper it was. Guess not many people provide thier own oil.

[Doesn'tExist]

Considering the cost of a 5L pack of 0w20 oil, a £40 saving doesn't seem to be a good deal ;-) I'd just make certain the dealer uses the right oil and for £40 seems a bargain.

[Mistermena]

I think its a very good idea to do intermediate oil and filter changes. Thats what I did on my VW Polo TDi, and its still going strong at almost 190000 miles. If you can buy good oil cheap and do it yourself, then that has to be a good thing for your engine.

[Doesn'tExist]

Then again if you want to sell on in three years 36k miles why bother ;-)

[Grumpy Cabbie]

You spend £15k - £20k on a car and then try and try and skimp on £40?

Let the dealers do it, try and negotiate a discount on your servicing if you want to reduce costs, but I really can't see any benefit to changing oil (remember its fully synthetic) at half service intervals - esp if you're only going to keep the car til 36k miles!

Mine's past that already and the oil is still ok and the engine is still sweet.

[johalareewi]

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of getting my oil changed in my gen III Prius and can't seem to find anywhere local that sells the 0w-20 that is specified. I have looked on the Halfords site but they don't seem to sell it.I have seen it on internet sites but prefer to get it from somewhere local if possible. Can anyone tell me where I can get it from and how much I might have to pay.

Thanks. :)

Chances are you won't find it on the high street and you will have to buy from the internet.

If you have an independent motor accessories shop (not halfords), or a friendly local garage, it could be worth asking if they can get you some.

[diverdave]

Considering the cost of a 5L pack of 0w20 oil, a £40 saving doesn't seem to be a good deal ;-) I'd just make certain the dealer uses the right oil and for £40 seems a bargain.

You are right doesn'texist, but with so many posts about people saying that they suspect the wrong oil has been put in it's a good way to make sure that they use the correct grade, the £40 saving is just a bonus.

[acetip]

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of getting my oil changed in my gen III Prius and can't seem to find anywhere local that sells the 0w-20 that is specified. I have looked on the Halfords site but they don't seem to sell it.I have seen it on internet sites but prefer to get it from somewhere local if possible. Can anyone tell me where I can get it from and how much I might have to pay.

Thanks. :)

Chances are you won't find it on the high street and you will have to buy from the internet.

If you have an independent motor accessories shop (not halfords), or a friendly local garage, it could be worth asking if they can get you some.

do Opie Oils do the 0w 20 grade,if so they give dicounts.

but there is nothing wrong getting it of eBay though.

[Jan&tone]

Isn't it really down to trust?

If you trust your dealer to put the correct oil in, and I do, then why should I destroy that trust by buying the oil from an outside source?

I have a service agreement, as I have had on all my Toyota's, which includes all consumables, it's designed to do so.

If however, you don't trust your dealer, then change to one that you do trust..

I'm sorry, but having spent many hours under the bonnet of a car years ago, I have no desire, nor ability or tools, to do the same now.

I paid 24k for my Prius, I've no intention of doing anything to it myself... as Grumpy says, if one can't afford the service why is one driving a 24k car??

[Doesn'tExist]

Definitely can see that point, I prefer to fix it at the source rather then the symptons and make certain it gets done properly in the first place. It really is a shame, and we have had it with other brands as well, that you have to be so alert as to what they do come service time.

[j2d]

You spend £15k - £20k on a car and then try and try and skimp on £40?

Let the dealers do it, try and negotiate a discount on your servicing if you want to reduce costs, but I really can't see any benefit to changing oil (remember its fully synthetic) at half service intervals - esp if you're only going to keep the car til 36k miles!

Mine's past that already and the oil is still ok and the engine is still sweet.

I agree with you in your case as you are a high mileage user.

But if you a a driver who does short journeys then it is an excellent idea to change oil much more often. With the petrol engine not reaching and maintaining temperature at a high enough level then contaminates such as water do not get driven off. The result of this is that the additives in the oil get depleted. The outcome of this is that sludge levels start to build thereby choking filters and oil ways and acid levels are allowed to build creating corrosion. When a manufacturer talks in terms of adverse running conditions it is the short trip that they are thinking about in the main. Constant running on motorways put little strain on lubricant additives.

It is the additives that deplete not the lubrication ability of the oil.

Of course the situation is really aggravated with cars such as the Prius on short runs because the petrol engine runs for much less time than in an old fashioned set up.

I was a lubricant technical rep for many years and have a little knowledge of the situation. Whilst on about lubricants never add products such as molybdenum di-sulphide to you engine oil. In the chemical make up when combined with the hydrogen produced on combustion a very corrosive acid is produced. While the major oil companies use molybdenum di-sulphide in some products they never add it to engine oils.

[acetip]

You spend £15k - £20k on a car and then try and try and skimp on £40?

Let the dealers do it, try and negotiate a discount on your servicing if you want to reduce costs, but I really can't see any benefit to changing oil (remember its fully synthetic) at half service intervals - esp if you're only going to keep the car til 36k miles!

Mine's past that already and the oil is still ok and the engine is still sweet.

I agree with you in your case as you are a high mileage user.

But if you a a driver who does short journeys then it is an excellent idea to change oil much more often. With the petrol engine not reaching and maintaining temperature at a high enough level then contaminates such as water do not get driven off. The result of this is that the additives in the oil get depleted. The outcome of this is that sludge levels start to build thereby choking filters and oil ways and acid levels are allowed to build creating corrosion. When a manufacturer talks in terms of adverse running conditions it is the short trip that they are thinking about in the main. Constant running on motorways put little strain on lubricant additives.

It is the additives that deplete not the lubrication ability of the oil.

Of course the situation is really aggravated with cars such as the Prius on short runs because the petrol engine runs for much less time than in an old fashioned set up.

I was a lubricant technical rep for many years and have a little knowledge of the situation. Whilst on about lubricants never add products such as molybdenum di-sulphide to you engine oil. In the chemical make up when combined with the hydrogen produced on combustion a very corrosive acid is produced. While the major oil companies use molybdenum di-sulphide in some products they never add it to engine oils.

hi j2d

in your time in the oil business did you know anything about colloidal graphite,some car & motor bike manufacturers use to add it to their engine oils to assist with running in.the graphite i think was made DAG.FILTRATE oils made by EDWARD JOY use to produce an oil for motor bikes with this in.they were very old established firm,sadly no more.

i think they came from manchester.supposed to have supplied lubricants for STEPHENSONS ROCKET.

[j2d]

You spend £15k - £20k on a car and then try and try and skimp on £40?

Let the dealers do it, try and negotiate a discount on your servicing if you want to reduce costs, but I really can't see any benefit to changing oil (remember its fully synthetic) at half service intervals - esp if you're only going to keep the car til 36k miles!

Mine's past that already and the oil is still ok and the engine is still sweet.

I agree with you in your case as you are a high mileage user.

But if you a a driver who does short journeys then it is an excellent idea to change oil much more often. With the petrol engine not reaching and maintaining temperature at a high enough level then contaminates such as water do not get driven off. The result of this is that the additives in the oil get depleted. The outcome of this is that sludge levels start to build thereby choking filters and oil ways and acid levels are allowed to build creating corrosion. When a manufacturer talks in terms of adverse running conditions it is the short trip that they are thinking about in the main. Constant running on motorways put little strain on lubricant additives.

It is the additives that deplete not the lubrication ability of the oil.

Of course the situation is really aggravated with cars such as the Prius on short runs because the petrol engine runs for much less time than in an old fashioned set up.

I was a lubricant technical rep for many years and have a little knowledge of the situation. Whilst on about lubricants never add products such as molybdenum di-sulphide to you engine oil. In the chemical make up when combined with the hydrogen produced on combustion a very corrosive acid is produced. While the major oil companies use molybdenum di-sulphide in some products they never add it to engine oils.

hi j2d

in your time in the oil business did you know anything about colloidal graphite,some car & motor bike manufacturers use to add it to their engine oils to assist with running in.the graphite i think was made DAG.FILTRATE oils made by EDWARD JOY use to produce an oil for motor bikes with this in.they were very old established firm,sadly no more.

i think they came from manchester.supposed to have supplied lubricants for STEPHENSONS ROCKET.

[diverdave]

Hi everyone,

I am thinking of getting my oil changed in my gen III Prius and can't seem to find anywhere local that sells the 0w-20 that is specified. I have looked on the Halfords site but they don't seem to sell it.I have seen it on internet sites but prefer to get it from somewhere local if possible. Can anyone tell me where I can get it from and how much I might have to pay.

Thanks. :)

Chances are you won't find it on the high street and you will have to buy from the internet.

If you have an independent motor accessories shop (not halfords), or a friendly local garage, it could be worth asking if they can get you some.

do Opie Oils do the 0w 20 grade,if so they give dicounts.

but there is nothing wrong getting it of eBay though.

Hi acetip, yes Opie Oils do stock it, and actually my local Toyota center reccomended them to me.

[ian rooke]

Hi I got my oil from Opie Oils where they sent the oil to me very quickly. I like you do not trust Toyota to put in the right oil (see Grumpy Cabbie) the internet address is http://www.opieoils.co.uk/ I paid £45 for 5 Liters so every forth service you should have enough oil left over from the first 3 to cover it.

[j2d]

Hi acetip

Not aware of manufacturers doing this. Graphite is an excellent lubricant for certain applications. I am inclined to think that it may have extended the running in rather than advanced it. But on the basis that running in is the first stage of running out that may be seen as being an advantage, But experience says that todays lubricants are so technical in their make up that to add anything to them could well upset the balance of the product and that would mean bye bye to a claim on anyone in the event of any failure.

[Doesn'tExist]

Hi I got my oil from Opie oils where they sent the oil to me very quickly. I like you do not trust Toyota to put in the right oil (see Grumpy Cabbie) the internet address is http://www.opieoils.co.uk/ I paid £45 for 5 Liters so every forth service you should have enough oil left over from the first 3 to cover it.

What is to say that the dealer really put that one in and didn't substitute for a cheap one they already had? Talking about a non trust relationship, not withstanding that if they stated they used the correct oil and they didn't they commit fraud.

I'm probably the exception here, but if the trust levels are that bad I wouldn't go to the garage in the first place.

[ian rooke]

Hi unfortunately most dealers cannot be trusted to do all the service correctly and at the price they charge for little more than a oil change and a quick plug into a diagnostic computer I want to know that my instructions are carried out and as for not using the oil that is supplied to them just check the colour of the oil (Duckhams is green Castrol is amber and so on )if they have substituted another oil for the one supplied that is theft not a mistake.At over £75 per hour for a service I want to be sure that the service is done correctly to the manufactures spec.

[diverdave]

Hi unfortunately most dealers cannot be trusted to do all the service correctly and at the price they charge for little more than a oil change and a quick plug into a diagnostic computer I want to know that my instructions are carried out and as for not using the oil that is supplied to them just check the colour of the oil (Duckhams is green Castrol is amber and so on )if they have substituted another oil for the one supplied that is theft not a mistake.At over £75 per hour for a service I want to be sure that the service is done correctly to the manufactures spec.

I agree with you Ian, and my dealer always gives me back what is left in the container so I know that they have used the oil that I gave them, and they don't mind at all me supplying my own oil.

[Mistermena]

Then again if you want to sell on in three years 36k miles why bother ;-)

If your only going to keep it 36k then I wouldn't bother. But for me it was a must because I have kept my car for 190000 miles

[Mistermena]

You spend £15k - £20k on a car and then try and try and skimp on £40?

Let the dealers do it, try and negotiate a discount on your servicing if you want to reduce costs, but I really can't see any benefit to changing oil (remember its fully synthetic) at half service intervals - esp if you're only going to keep the car til 36k miles!

Mine's past that already and the oil is still ok and the engine is still sweet.

I agree with you in your case as you are a high mileage user.

But if you a a driver who does short journeys then it is an excellent idea to change oil much more often. With the petrol engine not reaching and maintaining temperature at a high enough level then contaminates such as water do not get driven off. The result of this is that the additives in the oil get depleted. The outcome of this is that sludge levels start to build thereby choking filters and oil ways and acid levels are allowed to build creating corrosion. When a manufacturer talks in terms of adverse running conditions it is the short trip that they are thinking about in the main. Constant running on motorways put little strain on lubricant additives.

It is the additives that deplete not the lubrication ability of the oil.

Of course the situation is really aggravated with cars such as the Prius on short runs because the petrol engine runs for much less time than in an old fashioned set up.

I was a lubricant technical rep for many years and have a little knowledge of the situation. Whilst on about lubricants never add products such as molybdenum di-sulphide to you engine oil. In the chemical make up when combined with the hydrogen produced on combustion a very corrosive acid is produced. While the major oil companies use molybdenum di-sulphide in some products they never add it to engine oils.

A very good responce, that I totally agree with