D4D 2.2 56 Plate

[welshkev]

Found part solution in the posts but not cured problem

when starting there is a puff white smoke and there is a lumpy spot around 1500 revs also the engine sound clacky as soon as it is warm it drives like a dream ther is no EML on.

The cold tick over can only be described as the eningin is missing.

Serviced in Feb - not oil as I was having gearbox, Diffs and engine oil changed by toyota 2 weeks later.

I have stripped and cleaned the egr valve - which was well sooted up. This made a great improvement but not solved it.

Mentioned it to toyota - nothing to note as the EML had not come on

Engine has done 40k

Have a warranty with warranty direct

Any suggestions ?

thanks

[igormus]

Found part solution in the posts but not cured problem

when starting there is a puff white smoke and there is a lumpy spot around 1500 revs also the engine sound clacky as soon as it is warm it drives like a dream ther is no EML on.

The cold tick over can only be described as the eningin is missing.

Serviced in Feb - not oil as I was having gearbox, Diffs and engine oil changed by toyota 2 weeks later.

I have stripped and cleaned the egr valve - which was well sooted up. This made a great improvement but not solved it.

Mentioned it to toyota - nothing to note as the EML had not come on

Engine has done 40k

Have a warranty with warranty direct

Any suggestions ?

thanks

hello mate

white smoke is the reason of:

- late injection timing (when the piston has reached TBC and stsarted to gow down imitating working stroke and the air temperature inside could not ignite diesel vapours but converted them into a white smoke;

- fault of glow plugs;

- air in the fuel filter.

Cheers/Igor

[welshkev]

Found part solution in the posts but not cured problem

when starting there is a puff white smoke and there is a lumpy spot around 1500 revs also the engine sound clacky as soon as it is warm it drives like a dream ther is no EML on.

The cold tick over can only be described as the eningin is missing.

Serviced in Feb - not oil as I was having gearbox, Diffs and engine oil changed by toyota 2 weeks later.

I have stripped and cleaned the egr valve - which was well sooted up. This made a great improvement but not solved it.

Mentioned it to toyota - nothing to note as the EML had not come on

Engine has done 40k

Have a warranty with warranty direct

Any suggestions ?

thanks

hello mate

white smoke is the reason of:

- late injection timing (when the piston has reached TBC and stsarted to gow down imitating working stroke and the air temperature inside could not ignite diesel vapours but converted them into a white smoke;

- fault of glow plugs;

- air in the fuel filter.

Cheers/Igor

may sound stupid but Are there glow pugs on a 2006 mk3 rav4 diesel - where are they. taken cover off at top of head - injectors,the towards front diesel feed - then again towards frontset of 4 plastic plugs conected what looks like electrically.

from you diagnostics

glow plug - replace

fuel filter (although new) replace and bleed

but ....

what do i do to correct your first item about the timing?

thanks again

[igormus]

Found part solution in the posts but not cured problem

when starting there is a puff white smoke and there is a lumpy spot around 1500 revs also the engine sound clacky as soon as it is warm it drives like a dream ther is no EML on.

The cold tick over can only be described as the eningin is missing.

Serviced in Feb - not oil as I was having gearbox, Diffs and engine oil changed by toyota 2 weeks later.

I have stripped and cleaned the egr valve - which was well sooted up. This made a great improvement but not solved it.

Mentioned it to toyota - nothing to note as the EML had not come on

Engine has done 40k

Have a warranty with warranty direct

Any suggestions ?

thanks

hello mate

white smoke is the reason of:

- late injection timing (when the piston has reached TBC and stsarted to gow down imitating working stroke and the air temperature inside could not ignite diesel vapours but converted them into a white smoke;

- fault of glow plugs;

- air in the fuel filter.

Cheers/Igor

may sound stupid but Are there glow pugs on a 2006 mk3 rav4 diesel - where are they. taken cover off at top of head - injectors,the towards front diesel feed - then again towards frontset of 4 plastic plugs conected what looks like electrically.

from you diagnostics

glow plug - replace

fuel filter (although new) replace and bleed

but ....

what do i do to correct your first item about the timing?

thanks again

hello again

all four glow plugs are srewed in the cylinder cover from the pump side , just above of it and all four linked by an allumunium strip. All plugs must to have the same resistance (when measured) otherwise one should not consider that all of them are in order. As to late timing -- firstly check with all glow plugs - -it is an easy as first step.

+ come back with result + be sure even though one/two of them are faulty -- it is necessary to change them four to forget that for next several tens thousands.

Cheers/Igor

[welshkev]

Found part solution in the posts but not cured problem

when starting there is a puff white smoke and there is a lumpy spot around 1500 revs also the engine sound clacky as soon as it is warm it drives like a dream ther is no EML on.

The cold tick over can only be described as the eningin is missing.

Serviced in Feb - not oil as I was having gearbox, Diffs and engine oil changed by toyota 2 weeks later.

I have stripped and cleaned the egr valve - which was well sooted up. This made a great improvement but not solved it.

Mentioned it to toyota - nothing to note as the EML had not come on

Engine has done 40k

Have a warranty with warranty direct

Any suggestions ?

thanks

hello mate

white smoke is the reason of:

- late injection timing (when the piston has reached TBC and stsarted to gow down imitating working stroke and the air temperature inside could not ignite diesel vapours but converted them into a white smoke;

- fault of glow plugs;

- air in the fuel filter.

Cheers/Igor

may sound stupid but Are there glow pugs on a 2006 mk3 rav4 diesel - where are they. taken cover off at top of head - injectors,the towards front diesel feed - then again towards frontset of 4 plastic plugs conected what looks like electrically.

from you diagnostics

glow plug - replace

fuel filter (although new) replace and bleed

but ....

what do i do to correct your first item about the timing?

thanks again

hello again

all four glow plugs are srewed in the cylinder cover from the pump side , just above of it and all four linked by an allumunium strip. All plugs must to have the same resistance (when measured) otherwise one should not consider that all of them are in order. As to late timing -- firstly check with all glow plugs - -it is an easy as first step.

+ come back with result + be sure even though one/two of them are faulty -- it is necessary to change them four to forget that for next several tens thousands.

Cheers/Igor

Just had a diagnostis by toyota - all injectors are seriously out of tolerence - recommend new injectors

[anchorman]

Kev

Before you do anything change the fuel filter. I had one only a couple of weeks ago doing the same thing and it cured it. The injectors won't be cheap so do the filter first.

[Big Kev]

As a matter of interest, if it is or had been the injectors, does your Warranty Direct cover them?

If it doesn't cover you, obviously Anchs did not want to spoil your weekend by even guessing at the price of 4 wee beasties.

Genuinely hope he's right, and it's the fuel filter.....I might show him how to do mine next time Hadrian's Wall fails to repel his raiding North......

Big Kev

[blitzchaser]

put a can of BG244 in a fuul diesel tank and let it clean the injectors you will start to notice the differance in 30+ miles THIS IS PRO STUFF.....

[anchorman]

I'm not saying that additives aren't worth a try to recover injectors as I think you will be looking at £1500 for 4 but I don't know what the term pro stuff means. I wouldn't be surprised if adding this stuff is the same as buying high grade diesel with it already in.

Fuel filter first though!!!

[blitzchaser]

I'm not saying that additives aren't worth a try to recover injectors as I think you will be looking at £1500 for 4 but I don't know what the term pro stuff means. I wouldn't be surprised if adding this stuff is the same as buying high grade diesel with it already in.

Fuel filter first though!!!

you might not have tried this bg244 but its the only fuel cleaner that works and can save you a lot of money. BG products are very hard to get not sold in motor factors or shops some main dealers have it will not sell it or tell you how to get it. Main dealers do not want you to know about bg244 because they can lose out on parts and labour from changing injectors just from this can let alone the rest of bg products.....

[anchorman]

Its certainly worth a try before new injectors.

[welshkev]

Its certainly worth a try before new injectors.

thanks for all the advice but Ive been down all those avenues the diagnostic by toyota was the last resort

The injectors are over fueling, mpg down to 25 - also bleeding into the oil.

As for warranty direct - should be called warranty reject - fair wear and tear - what a joke.

Will be fighting them all the way.

well you live and learn - the local consumer advice recons should take them to small claims court as the injectors are a specificly named item that is covered - and that fair wear and tear can be applied to every single component that is on a car, So its a policy that you will never be able to claim off.

[blitzchaser]

fight it all the way let us know how u get on..........Best of look

[Daveyonthemove]

Warranty direct did the same to me when I had gearbox failure. Fair wear and tear is their favourite phrase.

[welshkev]

Sorry to all that tried to help - I completely forgot about this thread. heres the update ( i know very late)

took car to toyota for diagnostics - all 4 injectors knackered. Then spoke to the manageress and told her that toyota are aware of the problem with injectors and have been covering them up to 5 years old.

Left it with her to speak to the warranty dept at head office

RESULT - full replacement will be done under extended warranty but the oil change would be at my expense.

Fitted 2 days later - runs like a dream.

also notice they changed the common rail and something else - told by fitter that its a lower pressure system.

As for warranty direct - I did not deal with them it was a garage that specialised in injectors who did all the talking and sent reports to warranty direct, it was the garage who told me that the WD engineer had rejected claim as fair wear and tear. They offered a special price for the work because of my bad luck with WD of £1200.

I rang WD to cancel policy and try to get a refund when asked why I explained that there isnt a part on a car that would not come under fair wear and tear . After a moments silence they said they have no idea of what I was talking about and have had no contact with any garage or neither had any report been submitted.

When I went to collect paperwork at garage - all the bosses were away on business and the same when I phoned

Thank you Toyota for putting your hands up and replacing poor quality parts, also they replaced a water pump under the same extended warranty a few months before.