Avensis Verso Same As Avensis?

[billy12345]

hi,

is my avensis verso 2.0 D-4D mpv (53-plate, 2004) engine exactly the same as the car avensis?

also where can i get hold of a manual like haynes to do some service & checks myself? I don't mind if its in pdf or doc or any other format.

thanks

[Pat2u]

As i understand it you can not get a haynes manual for the avensis not sure about your model, not seen any on the shelves.

[billy12345]

thanks pat2u,

then how do amateur/noob people figure out how to fix or diagnose issues? Surely they must follow some sort of guide?

[timson]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/e0071b

[billy12345]

thanks very much timson.

I've read through the useful pdfs, but unfortunately, i can't find a solution to my problem which is that the brakes are kind of lightly grinding+juddering when i press the brake at any speed.

Any ideas what this could be and how i can check it further?

[Jan&tone]

thanks very much timson.

I've read through the useful pdfs, but unfortunately, i can't find a solution to my problem which is that the brakes are kind of lightly grinding+juddering when i press the brake at any speed.

Any ideas what this could be and how i can check it further?

Worn brake pads. Rust or pitting on the disks. Warped disks. Grit or tiny stones embedded between pad and disk

???

Can't think of anything else offhand....

From what I can remember, the Avensis verso was a replacement for the Picnic and was an Avensis in an MPV body.

[alan333]

i can't find a solution to my problem which is that the brakes are kind of lightly grinding+juddering when i press the brake at any speed.

I agree with Jan&tone. Brakes grinding are often a symptom of your pads wearing a bit thin. Brakes juddering are often a symptom of warped disc(s), and the speed of the judder should increase with your road speed. If you can feel the judder through the brake pedal and the steering wheel then it'll be your fronts. If you can only feel it through the brake pedal then it'll be the rears.

Hope this helps :)

[billy12345]

thanks guys,

I can mainly feel it through my brake pedal, although also slightly through steering and the car pads were replaced only recently. Although i've already posted this question on this forum, i thought if i could find a manual, i could maybe try to self-diagnose it myself, rather than giving money to rip-off garages.

[dervdave]

Replace the discs they`re obviously running out of true.

[alan333]

car pads were replaced only recently

Changing brake pads won't affect a warped disc. If the wobble was there before the new pads it'll still be there after them.

Sounds awfully like your front discs are shot. To diagnose...travel at about 70 or 80mph and stamp hard on the brakes. If you get severe wobble from the steering it's your fronts.

[billy12345]

i'll give alan's idea a try and see how i get on...will go on motorway tonight when the roads are a lot calmer...will post back later.

thanks guys...

[t-spiritpete]

i'll give alan's idea a try and see how i get on...will go on motorway tonight when the roads are a lot calmer...will post back later.

thanks guys...

Really!!

With all due respect mate you are actually taking a car with faulty brakes onto a motorway or any other road at 80mph and braking very hard, this is a recipe for disaster for you and any other poor driver that gets involved in the accident you may cause!

Sorry but that's how I feel .... Pete.

[billy12345]

@ t-spiritpete - sorry mate, your right, i should have thought abt the dangers. Anyway its too late now, as i've already been and tested. The motorway where i live is very quiet at this time and i made sure that i had no drivers behind me.

Right, I tested as alan said @ 70mph and when pressed the brake pedal harshly, the pedal shakes quiet vigerously and the steering also shakes, but slightly less.

Couple of questions:-

1. Could this not be due to balancing?

2. Since this has a four wheel braking system, how can i be that its definately the front and not back?

What next?

[Mistermena]

i'll give alan's idea a try and see how i get on...will go on motorway tonight when the roads are a lot calmer...will post back later.

thanks guys...

Really!!

With all due respect mate you are actually taking a car with faulty brakes onto a motorway or any other road at 80mph and braking very hard, this is a recipe for disaster for you and any other poor driver that gets involved in the accident you may cause!

Sorry but that's how I feel .... Pete.

I totaly agree. Really stupid to try this even if the Motorway is clear in front/behind and to the sides!!! Maybe I should start teaching my driving pupils to this at above the legal speed limit with posible defective brakes! I'm sure the DSA would love me to do that :ffs:

[billy12345]

i'll give alan's idea a try and see how i get on...will go on motorway tonight when the roads are a lot calmer...will post back later.

thanks guys...

Really!!

With all due respect mate you are actually taking a car with faulty brakes onto a motorway or any other road at 80mph and braking very hard, this is a recipe for disaster for you and any other poor driver that gets involved in the accident you may cause!

Sorry but that's how I feel .... Pete.

I totaly agree. Really stupid to try this even if the Motorway is clear in front/behind and to the sides!!! Maybe I should start teaching my driving pupils to this at above the legal speed limit with posible defective brakes! I'm sure the DSA would love me to do that :ffs:

I've said i'm sorry and i won't do it again, lesson learnt. So pls could we now get back to helping me with the questions i asked earlier, thanks! :-

Right, I tested as alan said @ 70mph and when pressed the brake pedal harshly, the pedal shakes quiet vigerously and the steering also shakes, but slightly less.

Couple of questions:-

1. Could this not be due to balancing?

2. Since this has a four wheel braking system, how can i be that its definately the front and not back?

What next?

[Jan&tone]

Right, I tested as alan said @ 70mph and when pressed the brake pedal harshly, the pedal shakes quiet vigerously and the steering also shakes, but slightly less.

Couple of questions:-

1. Could this not be due to balancing?

2. Since this has a four wheel braking system, how can i be that its definately the front and not back?

What next?

IMO :

1) No. if it was a balancing issue it would probably only happen at certain speeds.

2) unlikely - if it was the rear wheels the steering wheel would not be affected.

Conclusion - you have a disk/pad problem which needs addressing VERY quickly as it is a safety issue.

Whether you do it yourself or have a garage/dealer do it for you is your decision, only you know how capable you are, but I would urge you to do something sooner rather than later, and for goodness sake stop trying stupid ideas like some have suggested!

[t-spiritpete]

@ t-spiritpete - sorry mate, your right, i should have thought abt the dangers. Anyway its too late now, as i've already been and tested. The motorway where i live is very quiet at this time and i made sure that i had no drivers behind me.

Right, I tested as alan said @ 70mph and when pressed the brake pedal harshly, the pedal shakes quiet vigerously and the steering also shakes, but slightly less.

Couple of questions:-

1. Could this not be due to balancing?

2. Since this has a four wheel braking system, how can i be that its definately the front and not back?

What next?

Hello again, glad you got home in one piece.

You need to get the wheels balanced first then if this does not cure the problem get the car to a garage and have it checked out by a professional who will after visual/manual checks put the car on a rolling road or brake tester to locate the fault if it's not obvious on the ramp check.

As a polite person trained to work on all types of vehicles it worries me sometimes what's happening out there, brakes, steering etc! .................................... maybe no further comment about this matter is the best idea from me on the forum, not opinionated, just worried really.

Pete.

[dervdave]

@ t-spiritpete - sorry mate, your right, i should have thought abt the dangers. Anyway its too late now, as i've already been and tested. The motorway where i live is very quiet at this time and i made sure that i had no drivers behind me.

Right, I tested as alan said @ 70mph and when pressed the brake pedal harshly, the pedal shakes quiet vigerously and the steering also shakes, but slightly less.

Couple of questions:-

1. Could this not be due to balancing?

2. Since this has a four wheel braking system, how can i be that its definately the front and not back?

What next?

Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:32 AM

`Replace the discs they`re obviously running out of true`

***** have you still not got it fixed ?????

I hope you realise its an offence to be driving a car with defective brakes and you could be looking at a prison sentence if you were involved in a serious accident! :ffs:

[billy12345]

right...thanks for all your opinions. I'm gonna take it to garage ASAP.

Thanks very much again.

[dervdave]

I maybe sounded a bit harsh and over the top but you really can`t be too careful with your brakes.

Its not a hard job to change the discs yourself but there again, if in doubt brakes are best repaired by a good garage.

Better safe billy

[t-spiritpete]

I maybe sounded a bit harsh and over the top but you really can`t be too careful with your brakes.

Its not a hard job to change the discs yourself but there again, if in doubt brakes are best repaired by a good garage.

Better safe billy

Dave, that's exactly how I felt after my last comments, a bit over the top.

It's ok to explain to a novice how to clean the EGR valve because if they get it wrong it's not going to kill anyone but when helpful people (myself included) are giving out advice about brakes or steering the person taking the advice may never have worked on a cars braking/steering system. So how do I get my advice over without sounding big headed or rude, ........ well I usually just include a .pdf file of the area in question and leave the decision to them.

As you rightly say if you doubt take your car to a good garage.

It hasn't been easy giving my opinion today but sometimes it needs to be said in the interests of safety, sorry folks .... Pete.

[alan333]

Right, I tested as alan said @ 70mph and when pressed the brake pedal harshly, the pedal shakes quiet vigerously and the steering also shakes, but slightly less.

Couple of questions:-

1. Could this not be due to balancing?

2. Since this has a four wheel braking system, how can i be that its definately the front and not back?

It's the fronts. Have new ones fitted.

[Mistermena]

I maybe sounded a bit harsh and over the top but you really can`t be too careful with your brakes.

Its not a hard job to change the discs yourself but there again, if in doubt brakes are best repaired by a good garage.

Better safe billy

Dave, that's exactly how I felt after my last comments, a bit over the top.

It's ok to explain to a novice how to clean the EGR valve because if they get it wrong it's not going to kill anyone but when helpful people (myself included) are giving out advice about brakes or steering the person taking the advice may never have worked on a cars braking/steering system. So how do I get my advice over without sounding big headed or rude, ........ well I usually just include a .pdf file of the area in question and leave the decision to them.

As you rightly say if you doubt take your car to a good garage.

It hasn't been easy giving my opinion today but sometimes it needs to be said in the interests of safety, sorry folks .... Pete.

I think you make a very good point Pete. Sometimes it can be quite difficult to put a point over when in the written word as opposed to just having a chat with someone face to face. But I think that when it comes down to safty on the public highway it has to be said sometimes with a little more gusto! but in a polite way in which you did.

I may have come over a little to strong in my comments on the subject, but doing the job that I do (day in, day out) and seeing the kinda stuff that some road users do its difficult to be as polite as maybe I should have been.

I wouldn't have liked to hear that an accident had happened because of the advise given from this forum. I'm glad that th car will be taken to a garage to remedy the problem.

Anyway... I'll leave it at that.

[billy12345]

hi guys,

I went to kwik-fit. They've turned out to be a bunch of :censor:

They had said that they will replace the brake pads for £70 (life-time warranty) and the discs for £100, inc labour (12k miles warranty). But the catch is that when something does go wrong, they only provide the materials...i have to pay for their labour charges! Thats clearly a scam!

I've had bad experience with many garages, so i'm wondering if anyone can recommend a garage in leeds, bradford and close surrounding areas as i'm not going kwik-fit.

[Jan&tone]

hi guys,

I went to kwik-fit. They've turned out to be a bunch of :censor:

They had said that they will replace the brake pads for £70 (life-time warranty) and the discs for £100, inc labour (12k miles warranty). But the catch is that when something does go wrong, they only provide the materials...i have to pay for their labour charges! Thats clearly a scam!

I've had bad experience with many garages, so i'm wondering if anyone can recommend a garage in leeds, bradford and close surrounding areas as i'm not going kwik-fit.

Billy, for goodness sake!!! You are driving around in a car that has, by your own admission, faulty brakes!

take the car to a Toyota dealers, you will get a good job done with genuine parts, admittedly probably more expensive than kwikfit, but you will be safe and legal when its done.