Surely Not 3 Times!

[Mistermena]

Hi,

This post could affect the way T-180 D4-D owners think about an engine re-build!!!

I've just been out to check my oil and coolant on my T-180 Avensis estate as I always do everytime I go anywhere in it, only to find that there are water marks on the engine cover and the coolant seems to have droped a little. This is the 2nd new engine it has had and only done about 4000 miles since it was re-built! The 1st re-build lasted less than 9000 miles. I had to drive to Staffordshire on thusday to pick up my kids for the weekend and it was chucking it down so I'm hoping that the water marks are from the heavy rain rather than a head gasket fail again.

The problem is there seems to be white water marks (Front lower edge closest to expansion tank) as well as clear splatter ones (Top part of the cover closer to the oil filler cap) so I'm unsure to what to think! I'm going to keep an eye on it over the next couple of days and get it booked in to Mr T so they can have a look at it. I love the T-180 estate but if its gone again (After such a short time) it would be the icing on the cake for me!

I just hope that my suspicions are wrong!

[Mistermena]

Any views on the T-180 engine issues would be welcomed!

[T Sport 1978]

You are obviously an expert on this matter by now having already had 2 previous rebuild, just keeping fingers crossed for you that it isn't the case. It does however sounds like classic symptoms of the problem.

[Mistermena]

You are obviously an expert on this matter by now having already had 2 previous rebuild, just keeping fingers crossed for you that it isn't the case. It does however sounds like classic symptoms of the problem.

Cheers mate... Yer it does sound like the classic symptoms of yet another head gasket going! I'm just glad that I wrote to Mr T asking what guarantee's they could offer me that this wouldn't happen again. I had a letter back saying that the repairs were covered by a 1 year warranty. But I really dont want to have to go through this again! And I fear for the other T-180 2.2 owners that may have the same issues that I've encountered after a re-build...

I have noticed a grugling noise inside the cab that sounds like an air block! But i've read (From other posts) that this could also be indicative of the problem that I may have.

I might have to do what you've done and go for a Honda accord! I can see why you changed an all

[T Sport 1978]

If it was me I would have scarpered after the 1st rebuild, cut my losses and go. Fair do to you for sticking with it for so long!

I have not looked back since the Honda, the quality of build and material both interior and exterior is like night and day in comparison. The Lexus IS is I would say equal to the Accord, but nothing in Toyota's range can compare.

If you are serious about the Accord and have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask or PM me.

[T Sport 1978]

You are obviously an expert on this matter by now having already had 2 previous rebuild, just keeping fingers crossed for you that it isn't the case. It does however sounds like classic symptoms of the problem.

I have noticed a grugling noise inside the cab that sounds like an air block! But i've read (From other posts) that this could also be indicative of the problem that I may have.

Mine was doing this exact same thing along with coolant loss before I got shot of it, also I had the Engine Management Light come on as well which i had to reset ECU to get rid.

Although mine never manifested into a rebuild, I was told by a few tech that it was looking like it was going that way.

[Mistermena]

If it was me I would have scarpered after the 1st rebuild, cut my losses and go. Fair do to you for sticking with it for so long!

I have not looked back since the Honda, the quality of build and material both interior and exterior is like night and day in comparison. The Lexus IS is I would say equal to the Accord, but nothing in Toyota's range can compare.

If you are serious about the Accord and have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask or PM me.

Many thanks for your kind words mate and offer. I'm really dissapointed with the head gasket issue now! I've always liked the Accord and my brother-in-law has the CRV with the 2.2 diesel engine and he's not had any problems with it after over 3 years of ownership. Even though he's never serviced it or change any filters! I've gone and changed his engine oil and filters for him as I cant stand to see such a lovely car looked after in such a mannor, and I tell him so an all! Where as I've changed my engine oil every 4000 miles and oil filter and fuel/pollen filter every 6k using genuine Toyota parts. Using bG244 and always run the car on Shell V-Power derv! What more can a owner do?

[Mistermena]

You are obviously an expert on this matter by now having already had 2 previous rebuild, just keeping fingers crossed for you that it isn't the case. It does however sounds like classic symptoms of the problem.

I have noticed a grugling noise inside the cab that sounds like an air block! But i've read (From other posts) that this could also be indicative of the problem that I may have.

Mine was doing this exact same thing along with coolant loss before I got shot of it, also I had the Engine Management Light come on as well which i had to reset ECU to get rid.

Although mine never manifested into a rebuild, I was told by a few tech that it was looking like it was going that way.

You know I really do love the T-180 estate. I have to say that its the best diesel that I've ever driven! (When the engine isn't :censor: that is) I've never had any warning lights on the dash and I look after the car so well with claying it and Autoglym HD wax and the works with leather conditioner! But what can a owner do when the engine keeps messing up? I just hope that I'm wrong! But I wasn't on the other ones...

[T Sport 1978]

If it was me I would have scarpered after the 1st rebuild, cut my losses and go. Fair do to you for sticking with it for so long!

I have not looked back since the Honda, the quality of build and material both interior and exterior is like night and day in comparison. The Lexus IS is I would say equal to the Accord, but nothing in Toyota's range can compare.

If you are serious about the Accord and have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask or PM me.

Many thanks for your kind words mate and offer. I'm really dissapointed with the head gasket issue now! I've always liked the Accord and my brother-in-law has the CRV with the 2.2 diesel engine and he's not had any problems with it after over 3 years of ownership. Even though he's never serviced it or change any filters! I've gone and changed his engine oil and filters for him as I cant stand to see such a lovely car looked after in such a mannor, and I tell him so an all! Where as I've changed my engine oil every 4000 miles and oil filter and fuel/pollen filter every 6k using genuine Toyota parts. Using bG244 and always run the car on Shell V-Power derv! What more can a owner do?

I think no amount of TLC could mitigate against what looks like inherent faults with the engine, maybe its a degisn flaw or a material problem. Either way, it does look like a wide spread issue.

As for your brother in law... Give him an earful from me next time as well! People take mechanical reliability for granted when they have it, but as soon as there is a problem its always the car's fault! Human nature i suppose :D

[Mistermena]

If it was me I would have scarpered after the 1st rebuild, cut my losses and go. Fair do to you for sticking with it for so long!

I have not looked back since the Honda, the quality of build and material both interior and exterior is like night and day in comparison. The Lexus IS is I would say equal to the Accord, but nothing in Toyota's range can compare.

If you are serious about the Accord and have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask or PM me.

Many thanks for your kind words mate and offer. I'm really dissapointed with the head gasket issue now! I've always liked the Accord and my brother-in-law has the CRV with the 2.2 diesel engine and he's not had any problems with it after over 3 years of ownership. Even though he's never serviced it or change any filters! I've gone and changed his engine oil and filters for him as I cant stand to see such a lovely car looked after in such a mannor, and I tell him so an all! Where as I've changed my engine oil every 4000 miles and oil filter and fuel/pollen filter every 6k using genuine Toyota parts. Using bG244 and always run the car on Shell V-Power derv! What more can a owner do?

I think no amount of TLC could mitigate against what looks like inherent faults with the engine, maybe its a degisn flaw or a material problem. Either way, it does look like a wide spread issue.

As for your brother in law... Give him an earful from me next time as well! People take mechanical reliability for granted when they have it, but as soon as there is a problem its always the car's fault! Human nature i suppose :D

You know I think you're right an all! All the care I give the car like making sure its fully warmed up befor going upto 3000 revs (On the odd occasion) and the Silkolen Pro 75 SRG full ester gerabox oil is just a waist of time. I might as well as stuck any old **** in it and had the same results!

I hate people who dont look after there cars! even though he's my brother-in-law and my best mate he just dosnt give a flying :censor: about his cars! But he never ever has a problem with any of them from his old 1972 MGB GT to his CRV. Which I think is one of the nicest looking 4+4's out there on a 56 plate.

[T Sport 1978]

If it was me I would have scarpered after the 1st rebuild, cut my losses and go. Fair do to you for sticking with it for so long!

I have not looked back since the Honda, the quality of build and material both interior and exterior is like night and day in comparison. The Lexus IS is I would say equal to the Accord, but nothing in Toyota's range can compare.

If you are serious about the Accord and have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask or PM me.

Many thanks for your kind words mate and offer. I'm really dissapointed with the head gasket issue now! I've always liked the Accord and my brother-in-law has the CRV with the 2.2 diesel engine and he's not had any problems with it after over 3 years of ownership. Even though he's never serviced it or change any filters! I've gone and changed his engine oil and filters for him as I cant stand to see such a lovely car looked after in such a mannor, and I tell him so an all! Where as I've changed my engine oil every 4000 miles and oil filter and fuel/pollen filter every 6k using genuine Toyota parts. Using bG244 and always run the car on Shell V-Power derv! What more can a owner do?

I think no amount of TLC could mitigate against what looks like inherent faults with the engine, maybe its a degisn flaw or a material problem. Either way, it does look like a wide spread issue.

As for your brother in law... Give him an earful from me next time as well! People take mechanical reliability for granted when they have it, but as soon as there is a problem its always the car's fault! Human nature i suppose :D

You know I think you're right an all! All the care I give the car like making sure its fully warmed up befor going upto 3000 revs and the Silkolen Pro 75 SRG full ester gerabox oil is just a waist of time. I might as well as stuck any old **** in it and had the same results!

I hate people who dont look after there cars! even though he's my brother-in-law and my best mate he just dosnt give a flying :censor: about his cars! But he never ever has a problem with any of them from his old 1972 MGB GT to his CRV. Which I think is one of the nicest looking 4+4's out there on a 56 plate.

Crikey... I thought i looked after my car. You my friend deserves better.

Personal opinion is to just swap it for something else and cut your loses, Honda or not.

The CRV is a great pratical car, again suffers from a little image problem like most Hondas do. If you can look pass the image, you will find GREAT cars underneath.

Was reading the reviews for the facelifted 2011 Accords in the main stream car mags. As expected it was absolutely trashed for a dull image and NOT-BEST-IN-CLASS comments, it was written off basically. The facts are that the Accord is consistently number 1-3 in JD Powers and one of the most kitted out car for the past decade, if speed and image is what you want then its not the car. But however if a good car is what you are looking for, not many other car could prove to be better for the money.

[Mistermena]

If it was me I would have scarpered after the 1st rebuild, cut my losses and go. Fair do to you for sticking with it for so long!

I have not looked back since the Honda, the quality of build and material both interior and exterior is like night and day in comparison. The Lexus IS is I would say equal to the Accord, but nothing in Toyota's range can compare.

If you are serious about the Accord and have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask or PM me.

Many thanks for your kind words mate and offer. I'm really dissapointed with the head gasket issue now! I've always liked the Accord and my brother-in-law has the CRV with the 2.2 diesel engine and he's not had any problems with it after over 3 years of ownership. Even though he's never serviced it or change any filters! I've gone and changed his engine oil and filters for him as I cant stand to see such a lovely car looked after in such a mannor, and I tell him so an all! Where as I've changed my engine oil every 4000 miles and oil filter and fuel/pollen filter every 6k using genuine Toyota parts. Using bG244 and always run the car on Shell V-Power derv! What more can a owner do?

I think no amount of TLC could mitigate against what looks like inherent faults with the engine, maybe its a degisn flaw or a material problem. Either way, it does look like a wide spread issue.

As for your brother in law... Give him an earful from me next time as well! People take mechanical reliability for granted when they have it, but as soon as there is a problem its always the car's fault! Human nature i suppose :D

You know I think you're right an all! All the care I give the car like making sure its fully warmed up befor going upto 3000 revs and the Silkolen Pro 75 SRG full ester gerabox oil is just a waist of time. I might as well as stuck any old **** in it and had the same results!

I hate people who dont look after there cars! even though he's my brother-in-law and my best mate he just dosnt give a flying :censor: about his cars! But he never ever has a problem with any of them from his old 1972 MGB GT to his CRV. Which I think is one of the nicest looking 4+4's out there on a 56 plate.

Crikey... I thought i looked after my car. You my friend deserves better.

Personal opinion is to just swap it for something else and cut your loses, Honda or not.

The CRV is a great pratical car, again suffers from a little image problem like most Hondas do. If you can look pass the image, you will find GREAT cars underneath.

Was reading the reviews for the facelifted 2011 Accords in the main stream car mags. As expected it was absolutely trashed for a dull image and NOT-BEST-IN-CLASS comments, it was written off basically. The facts are that the Accord is consistently number 1-3 in JD Powers and one of the most kitted out car for the past decade, if speed and image is what you want then its not the car. But however if a good car is what you are looking for, not many other car could prove to be better for the money.

You know it might come to that in the end. I really like the look of the new Accord estate. Everytime I see them on the M-Way I always comment to my partner about how good they look. I'm really not that bothered about the Bhp as I can always use a Tunit box if I want more. I'm more interested in the Mpg at the end of the day ( I always have been tbh, I bought the Tunit box for the extra Mpg rather than the Bhp). I know the Honda's have had problems with the exhaust manifolds but like other marques its nothing compaired to total engine re-builds! And I'm aware that Honda seem to always do well in the JD Powers as well as the likes of Mazda. But I really dont like the look of those even though I've never driven one.

[Mistermena]

What mpg do you get from your Honda Accourd? And are they still the 140 bhp power output?

[reidy]

What a pain in the *****

Feel for you pal

[T Sport 1978]

What mpg do you get from your Honda Accourd? And are they still the 140 bhp power output?

Since i have had it (March), to date it is averaging 38mpg which incidentally is the same as my Auris over the time of ownership. This is quite amazing considering you are talking about a fully loaded petrol saloon vs a medium diesel hatch.

It is 156ps and Petrol.

[Mistermena]

What a pain in the *****

Feel for you pal

Cheers my mate

[Mistermena]

What mpg do you get from your Honda Accourd? And are they still the 140 bhp power output?

Since i have had it (March), to date it is averaging 38mpg which incidentally is the same as my Auris over the time of ownership. This is quite amazing considering you are talking about a fully loaded petrol saloon vs a medium diesel hatch.

It is 156ps and Petrol.

Now that is very good for a Petrol model! I wonder what the derv version would do? Any reason why you went for petrol over the diesel vesion? Are there more problems with the oil burner?

[T Sport 1978]

I went with petrol because I have lost faith with technologies surrounding the diesel engine (I.e DPF), I believe diesel became unreliable as a whole due to them.

Diesel cars pre Euro IV like my gf's Audi A3 2.0 TDI are great and works tirelessly, but modern diesel whilst clean, tend to go wrong more. It's a price for trying to keep a dirty fuel clean in my view, and I wasn't willing to pay that price.

Petrol is catching up to diesel in terms of efficiency, especially the ones with small capacity but turbo charged ones.

But I like a good old fashion naturally aspirated engine... Less to go wrong!

Saying all that I do miss the torque from a big diesel engine :)

[Mistermena]

Thats a god point v petrol v diesel! I do think that petrol has caught up with derv alot over the past few years. I just think I'd miss the sheer grunt of a diesel if I went for a petrol version. At the end of the day I've always loved oil burners over petrol! My little Polo Tdi has been a diamond over the last 200k miles and not put a foot wrong! But it doesny have these stupid DPF stuck on it as its a 2003 year model.

[Heidfirst]

Diesel cars pre Euro IV like my gf's Audi A3 2.0 TDI are great and works tirelessly, but modern diesel whilst clean, tend to go wrong more. It's a price for trying to keep a dirty fuel clean in my view, and I wasn't willing to pay that price.

Petrol is catching up to diesel in terms of efficiency, especially the ones with small capacity but turbo charged ones.

tbh I think that modern direct injection turbo petrols are going to suffer many of the same problems that we've had for the last few years in modern direct injection turbo diesels :(

If you are looking to do high mileages under warranty that's OK but if you intend to do fairly modest mileages but want to keep the car well past warranty imo simpler normally aspirated engines may not be as fuel miserly but will probably be cheaper/more reliable to run overall.

[Mistermena]

This is some pictures of the water marks (That I've just taken today) that I have on the engine cover. Not great quality (And they dont seem to show how white some of the marks were yesterday when I 1st noticed it) but the best I can do atm... The engine cover was cleaned just befor I did my 300 mile round trip and there wasn't a mark on it anywhere.

[Mistermena]

Just some pic's of my car!

[Pat2u]

Hi Mistermena,

Sorry to hear about your problem hope its not the same problem.

As you will recall my car went in over oil burning oil when in fact i never noticed any being lost at all, i had vsc trc lights on when it went into the garage and it was going to cost some ££££s to fixed they said.

Having been a regular customer for many years and each year to change vehicles, i did drop a hint to say i may go to BMW for my next vehicle not saying that was the dealership having a change of heart when they did come up with the idea of my engine as an oil burner so the work was done on warrantee as an oil burner.

I think you said you have had a new block i am going to attach a list of work carried out on my car and to be honest i can not see a new block included in the list unless its the piston sub assembly.

Hope you get yours sorted

[Mistermena]

Hi Mistermena,

Sorry to hear about your problem hope its not the same problem.

As you will recall my car went in over oil burning oil when in fact i never noticed any being lost at all, i had vsc trc lights on when it went into the garage and it was going to cost some ££££s to fixed they said.

Having been a regular customer for many years and each year to change vehicles, i did drop a hint to say i may go to BMW for my next vehicle not saying that was the dealership having a change of heart when they did come up with the idea of my engine as an oil burner so the work was done on warrantee as an oil burner.

I think you said you have had a new block i am going to attach a list of work carried out on my car and to be honest i can not see a new block included in the list unless its the piston sub assembly.

Hope you get yours sorted

Hi Pat,

Many thanks mate for the download list.

Yer I had a new block/pistons ect... The full 9 yards tbh. I've got a full printout of all the parts and cost of the warranty claim and its an extensive list. I'll try and take a picture of it at some point and post it up. I just hop that I'm wrong! But it dosnt look good atm. I'll be ringing the dealer next wek to get the car booked in.

[Pat2u]

Hi Mistermena,

Sorry to hear about your problem hope its not the same problem.

As you will recall my car went in over oil burning oil when in fact i never noticed any being lost at all, i had vsc trc lights on when it went into the garage and it was going to cost some ££££s to fixed they said.

Having been a regular customer for many years and each year to change vehicles, i did drop a hint to say i may go to BMW for my next vehicle not saying that was the dealership having a change of heart when they did come up with the idea of my engine as an oil burner so the work was done on warrantee as an oil burner.

I think you said you have had a new block i am going to attach a list of work carried out on my car and to be honest i can not see a new block included in the list unless its the piston sub assembly.

Hope you get yours sorted

Hi Pat,

Many thanks mate for the download list.

Yer I had a new block/pistons ect... The full 9 yards tbh. I've got a full printout of all the parts and cost of the warranty claim and its an extensive list. I'll try and take a picture of it at some point and post it up. I just hop that I'm wrong! But it dosnt look good atm. I'll be ringing the dealer next wek to get the car booked in.

So on your list did it give the new block or another name for it ?