4.2 Rear Disc Handbrake Probs Again...

[tash2007]

Hi

well still having bother with one rear handbrake binding on me 2002 VX ..

Had the disc off this a.m. and all seemed to be there, following Anchormans excellent tutorials etc. e.g. no broken or missing springs, adjuster working, retaining post springs & cups etc all there etc.

Am bit puzzled by Anch's writeup warning about the retaining post springs and cups - he says be prepared for blood blisters and swearing trying to get the retaining cups on and off... on mine the springs seem easily compressible with me fingers - is that not right?

Anyhow I regreased all the contact points on the backplate and played around with it :-

does anyone know if the shoes,springs & linkages etc should move about "as one" on the backplate? there doesn't seem to be a lot stopping the assembly from sliding forward an rearward in relation to the backplate...? thing is, if it's all moved across either way it doesn't want to move back by itself... so how does it self centre when the hbrake is taken off?

Whilst driving - when it binds it's always when going forwards with a metallicy ticking noise (audible with rear window down), stopping and reversing for a few feet is accompanied by a small clunk (I expect as the binding hbrake shoe releases from the inside of the disc hub?)...then place your bets how far til the next stoppage etc

So one possibility would seem that somehow the shoes are "too mobile" on the backplate and so within the disc's hub, and that one is getting out of position and binding on the disc hub??

Does that make any sense?

Any thoughts what should I be looking for next?

For now I've completely backed off the adjuster and will see how it is now for a few days..

Very grateful for any comments

Cheers

Jim

[Big Kev]

Hi

well still having bother with one rear handbrake binding on me 2002 VX ..

Had the disc off this a.m. and all seemed to be there, following Anchormans excellent tutorials etc. e.g. no broken or missing springs, adjuster working, retaining post springs & cups etc all there etc.

Am bit puzzled by Anch's writeup warning about the retaining post springs and cups - he says be prepared for blood blisters and swearing trying to get the retaining cups on and off... on mine the springs seem easily compressible with me fingers - is that not right?

Anyhow I regreased all the contact points on the backplate and played around with it :-

does anyone know if the shoes,springs & linkages etc should move about "as one" on the backplate? there doesn't seem to be a lot stopping the assembly from sliding forward an rearward in relation to the backplate...? thing is, if it's all moved across either way it doesn't want to move back by itself... so how does it self centre when the hbrake is taken off?

Whilst driving - when it binds it's always when going forwards with a metallicy ticking noise (audible with rear window down), stopping and reversing for a few feet is accompanied by a small clunk (I expect as the binding hbrake shoe releases from the inside of the disc hub?)...then place your bets how far til the next stoppage etc

So one possibility would seem that somehow the shoes are "too mobile" on the backplate and so within the disc's hub, and that one is getting out of position and binding on the disc hub??

Does that make any sense?

Any thoughts what should I be looking for next?

For now I've completely backed off the adjuster and will see how it is now for a few days..

Very grateful for any comments

Cheers

Jim

Good Grief Jimbob....if you can compress them there retaining springs with your fingers, you must be Steve Austin's wee brother. Not had direct contact with mine on Rav...yet...but on air cooled Beetles and some Fords the wee spring was blessedly strong and had to be compressed with bull nosed pliers and the odd word Wee Charlie knows better than me....

Could this be root of problem as you alluded....too mobile inside the disc due to wrong springs....allowing muchos rattlos therein?

One of my pupils from Derbyshire may expand thereon in not too distant future....

Nobody should ask who Steve Austin is / was....

Techo Kev

[CharlieFarlie]

Hi

well still having bother with one rear handbrake binding on me 2002 VX ..

Had the disc off this a.m. and all seemed to be there, following Anchormans excellent tutorials etc. e.g. no broken or missing springs, adjuster working, retaining post springs & cups etc all there etc.

Am bit puzzled by Anch's writeup warning about the retaining post springs and cups - he says be prepared for blood blisters and swearing trying to get the retaining cups on and off... on mine the springs seem easily compressible with me fingers - is that not right?

Anyhow I regreased all the contact points on the backplate and played around with it :-

does anyone know if the shoes,springs & linkages etc should move about "as one" on the backplate? there doesn't seem to be a lot stopping the assembly from sliding forward an rearward in relation to the backplate...? thing is, if it's all moved across either way it doesn't want to move back by itself... so how does it self centre when the hbrake is taken off?

Whilst driving - when it binds it's always when going forwards with a metallicy ticking noise (audible with rear window down), stopping and reversing for a few feet is accompanied by a small clunk (I expect as the binding hbrake shoe releases from the inside of the disc hub?)...then place your bets how far til the next stoppage etc

So one possibility would seem that somehow the shoes are "too mobile" on the backplate and so within the disc's hub, and that one is getting out of position and binding on the disc hub??

Does that make any sense?

Any thoughts what should I be looking for next?

For now I've completely backed off the adjuster and will see how it is now for a few days..

Very grateful for any comments

Cheers

Jim

Good Grief Jimbob....if you can compress them there retaining springs with your fingers, you must be Steve Austin's wee brother. Not had direct contact with mine on Rav...yet...but on air cooled Beetles and some Fords the wee spring was blessedly strong and had to be compressed with bull nosed pliers and the odd word Wee Charlie knows better than me....

Could this be root of problem as you eluded....too mobile inside the disc due to wrong springs....allowing muchos rattlos therein?

One of my pupils from Derbyshire may expand thereon in not too distant future....

Nobody should ask who Steve Austin is / was....

Techo Kev

I used to put them springs under My eyelids to give them a work out ...............................

Wee Sweary Charlie.

[CharlieFarlie]

Hi

well still having bother with one rear handbrake binding on me 2002 VX ..

Had the disc off this a.m. and all seemed to be there, following Anchormans excellent tutorials etc. e.g. no broken or missing springs, adjuster working, retaining post springs & cups etc all there etc.

Am bit puzzled by Anch's writeup warning about the retaining post springs and cups - he says be prepared for blood blisters and swearing trying to get the retaining cups on and off... on mine the springs seem easily compressible with me fingers - is that not right?

Anyhow I regreased all the contact points on the backplate and played around with it :-

does anyone know if the shoes,springs & linkages etc should move about "as one" on the backplate? there doesn't seem to be a lot stopping the assembly from sliding forward an rearward in relation to the backplate...? thing is, if it's all moved across either way it doesn't want to move back by itself... so how does it self centre when the hbrake is taken off?

Whilst driving - when it binds it's always when going forwards with a metallicy ticking noise (audible with rear window down), stopping and reversing for a few feet is accompanied by a small clunk (I expect as the binding hbrake shoe releases from the inside of the disc hub?)...then place your bets how far til the next stoppage etc

So one possibility would seem that somehow the shoes are "too mobile" on the backplate and so within the disc's hub, and that one is getting out of position and binding on the disc hub??

Does that make any sense?

Any thoughts what should I be looking for next?

For now I've completely backed off the adjuster and will see how it is now for a few days..

Very grateful for any comments

Cheers

Jim

Good Grief Jimbob....if you can compress them there retaining springs with your fingers, you must be Steve Austin's wee brother. Not had direct contact with mine on Rav...yet...but on air cooled Beetles and some Fords the wee spring was blessedly strong and had to be compressed with bull nosed pliers and the odd word Wee Charlie knows better than me....

Could this be root of problem as you eluded....too mobile inside the disc due to wrong springs....allowing muchos rattlos therein?

One of my pupils from Derbyshire may expand thereon in not too distant future....

Nobody should ask who Steve Austin is / was....

Techo Kev

I used to put them springs under My eyelids to give them a work out ...............................

Whose Steve Austin ????

Wee Sweary Charlie.

[tash2007]

Hi

well still having bother with one rear handbrake binding on me 2002 VX ..

Had the disc off this a.m. and all seemed to be there, following Anchormans excellent tutorials etc. e.g. no broken or missing springs, adjuster working, retaining post springs & cups etc all there etc.

Am bit puzzled by Anch's writeup warning about the retaining post springs and cups - he says be prepared for blood blisters and swearing trying to get the retaining cups on and off... on mine the springs seem easily compressible with me fingers - is that not right?

Anyhow I regreased all the contact points on the backplate and played around with it :-

does anyone know if the shoes,springs & linkages etc should move about "as one" on the backplate? there doesn't seem to be a lot stopping the assembly from sliding forward an rearward in relation to the backplate...? thing is, if it's all moved across either way it doesn't want to move back by itself... so how does it self centre when the hbrake is taken off?

Whilst driving - when it binds it's always when going forwards with a metallicy ticking noise (audible with rear window down), stopping and reversing for a few feet is accompanied by a small clunk (I expect as the binding hbrake shoe releases from the inside of the disc hub?)...then place your bets how far til the next stoppage etc

So one possibility would seem that somehow the shoes are "too mobile" on the backplate and so within the disc's hub, and that one is getting out of position and binding on the disc hub??

Does that make any sense?

Any thoughts what should I be looking for next?

For now I've completely backed off the adjuster and will see how it is now for a few days..

Very grateful for any comments

Cheers

Jim

Good Grief Jimbob....if you can compress them there retaining springs with your fingers, you must be Steve Austin's wee brother. Not had direct contact with mine on Rav...yet...but on air cooled Beetles and some Fords the wee spring was blessedly strong and had to be compressed with bull nosed pliers and the odd word Wee Charlie knows better than me....

just to be sure these are the springs that retain just the handbrake shoes against the backplate, they don't get directly involved in the handbrake's action, just appear to keep the shoes in the "right plane" - still seem rather easy to squish though - i recall the infamous monkey (repsonsible for much bodging on me RAV) said the old discs were a bugger to get off... could he have "forced" the old discs off and shagged most of the handbrake mechanism too?? t :censor: t

Could this be root of problem as you alluded....too mobile inside the disc due to wrong springs....allowing muchos rattlos therein?

One of my pupils from Derbyshire may expand thereon in not too distant future....

Nobody should ask who Steve Austin is / was....

sadly no need to ask ;>)

Techo Kev

Cheers Kev

Jim

[tash2007]

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[tash2007]

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