All New Yaris

[Bos]

It is the old arguement from us in the sales office, the reason why Toyotas are more expensive is because you are buying higher quality and reliability. Now, I don't want all the horror stories coming out of the wood work because I know about the recalls Toyota have had over the past few years, BUT Toyota were very quick on any recalls that were to arise. Whereas other manufacturers were very slow.

As for the reason why the sliding rear seats were taken off was because you now have more leg room than if the seats were all the way back and more boot space than if the seats were all the way forward.

The emmissions are higher also because Toyota have left out the Start/Stop technology as it was found that most customers were overing this function and Toyota thought it was pointless putting it back in and pass the cost on to customers.

A very valid argument back in the 1980s and 90s with cars such as the Carina IIs and Es plus the E92, E101 and E111 Corollas and of course the Starlets and Mark 1 Yarises. But cars such as Fords and Kias are so much better now then they used to be, but Toyotas have slipped back somewhat. So the question is - is that argument still valid - ie a Toyota is better than (for example) a Ford or Kia - now theres an interesting question. Feel free to use your best Sales pitch to show us that Toyota is stil offering quality and reliability at levels better than their opposition.

Red diesel

Not forgetting the Toyota 1000 from the 70's. That was almost based on the Morris 1000 ( mechanically rear wheel drive etc. ) but far superior engine wise etc.

[Jan&tone]

Hi Scott. I don't think Toyota have lost their touch at all.

(but I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to disagree with me )

I agree. I'm on my 8th Toyota and we currently have 2, the last 4 from Scott's dealership and I have only ever had good service from them.

Have Toyota lost their way? I don't think so, alrhough to drop the hatchback Avensis from the range may be a mistake unless it's gonna be replaced by a hybrid.

I don't know the reasons for the Camry And Avalon Hybrids being available in Canada and the US and not here but that is probably a commercial decision somewhere along the line.

So no, not lost their way, just maybe taking a detour!

[Lancaster Rayleigh]

All my opinion of course - and my sincerest apologies for the grief - and i do respect you for coming on to hear the customers feedback and things like that . No hard feelings i hope .

Red diesel

No problems here Red

You do make some very valid points and me being relatively new to the industry it is hard to see how manufacturers once were.

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

It will be worth looking at this. What does surprise me is that Chevrolet is No1.

[Lorna2]

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer

It will be worth looking at this. What does surprise me is that Chevrolet is No1.

Lookers Rayleigh

Hi Scott

It shocked me too! I had a chevrolet and it was a heap of dirt. Another family member had one too and it was rotten as well. I've seen their 4x4s about with badly rusted exhausts - the worst I've ever seen, covered in big dogs of rust, and the cars are only young. I don't think much of the Reliability Index, especially if you look up the ncap results and see that they had stars struck off.

Euro Ncap - Aveo - Only got 2 stars out of a possible 5, then one was removed. Front impact "Structural deformation and spot-weld release indicated that the bodyshell had been overloaded and had become unstable. Rearward movement of the A-pillar was penalised. Movement of the steering-wheel presented a hazard to the driver's head. The driver's chest made contact with the steering-wheel,distorting the rim. Compression of the driver's chest indicated an unacceptably high risk of life-threatening injury. As a result,the final star of the adult occupant rating is struck through. Structures in the dashboard represented a potential hazard to the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger. No points were awarded for the protection offered to the feet and ankles".

Matiz only got 3 stars, then one was removed. "Front impact - The deflection of the passenger dummy's chest due to seat belt loading was greater than the driver's and was used in the calculation of the adult occupant score. Structures within the knee-impact area represented potential hazards to the knees and femurs of both the driver and the passenger. The protection offered to the driver's lower legs was weak.

Side impact- Compression of the driver's chest in side impact represented an unacceptably high risk of life-threatening injury. As a result, the final star of the adult occupant rating is struck through".

Kalos and Captiva scored badly as well.

[Madasafish]

We have a 2005 Matiz driven entirely in towns. It has been 100% reliable and there is zero rust... but the dash plastics look cheap. Does my wife care about dash plastics? No...

[Chris81]

I've seen the new Yaris in the showroom and I like the new agressive looking front but am not too keen on it from other angles, especially from the rear (why on earth put the number plate on the bootlid for the first time? I thought only Ford were mug enough to do this with the Fiesta - it looks awful!).

Where the advertising falls down is it focuses on all the gadgets and not enough about the car. The tv adverts are more in the vein of the latest mobile phone ad, desperately trying to appeal to the 18-35 demographic, who will likely cringe and to be honest would probably prefer the Fiesta, Corsa, Mazda 2 or Suzuki Swift than the how can I say... more sensible/staid choice of a Yaris or Micra. I've got a last of the line mk1 t-sport, succeeded of course by the 1.8 SR which i thought looked great. Sadly a warm hatch is missing from the current line up.

As for reliability - well there's a Toyota mechanic on here who agrees the reliability of the mk 1 Yaris is a thing of the past. Toyota's only real selling point of reliability is now not so unique, especially as it's rubbing shoulders with Suzuki and Hyundai in that reliability index above. That said, I think there's plenty life in Toyota yet and I can't wait to see the release of the FT-86.

[Lancaster Rayleigh]

Where the advertising falls down is it focuses on all the gadgets and not enough about the car. The tv adverts are more in the vein of the latest mobile phone ad, desperately trying to appeal to the 18-35 demographic, who will likely cringe and to be honest would probably prefer the Fiesta, Corsa, Mazda 2 or Suzuki Swift than the how can I say... more sensible/staid choice of a Yaris or Micra.

You hit the nail on the head there Chris, that is exactly what they have tried to do. I can understand why as the average age of a Yaris owner is 62, however, they have upset a fair number of their current customers in the process. It is still a very sensible car, compared to the majority of the B-segment.

And again, you're right on the gadget front, that is the majority of what they have thrown to us with regards to training. Mainly because you can't get the same level of tech on any other B-segment Volume car.

I guess what you can say is that they are at least trying to branch out into other markets, especially with the FT-86, Prius+, Prius Plug-in, and the Yaris HSD due out next year which are all very sensible cars (Hybrids are anyway )

Can't wait for the FT-86 about time Toyota did something exciting

[Cyker]

Well they can be sensible without being boring as heck too ;)

The Yaris HSD will be very interesting as it'll be, at least for me, the best use of a HSD (IMHO the Prius and Auris are far too big for a 1-man city runabout, but ironically the city is where they perform best since they don't need to waste any energy at all when in traffic unlike normal cars.)

I just wish they'd been able to keep the size down; The new Yaris looks huge next to my Mk1

When I sat in one I couldn't get over how far away the windscreen is compared to the Mk1

[Lancaster Rayleigh]

Well they can be sensible without being boring as heck too ;)

The Yaris HSD will be very interesting as it'll be, at least for me, the best use of a HSD (IMHO the Prius and Auris are far too big for a 1-man city runabout, but ironically the city is where they perform best since they don't need to waste any energy at all when in traffic unlike normal cars.)

I just wish they'd been able to keep the size down; The new Yaris looks huge next to my Mk1

When I sat in one I couldn't get over how far away the windscreen is compared to the Mk1

I know! You could probably put the 1st Gen Yaris inside the New Gen! It seems that small cars aren't so small nowadays.

Toyota have also got the IQ EV in the pipeline with a lithium-ion Battery and a cruise range of 65 miles.

which to be honest, they could get a little bit more out of it. And in the city, 65 miles would probably be OK. I'm not sure, I lived in London for 5 years but never drove, it was cheaper and easier to take public transport then.

Anyway, 65 miles should be OK, especially since there will be plug-in points built all over the major cities.

[Bos]

In my opinion one of the biggest problems with the new Yaris is price. If you want a 1.3 sized engine with a/c then at £13,300 (+ metalic paint) it is expensive if you do not want the reversing camera etc.

There are a lot of super minis on the market for a lot less, i.e. Mazda 2, Suzuki swift, Hyundai I20 etc.

[Lancaster Rayleigh]

In my opinion one of the biggest problems with the new Yaris is price. If you want a 1.3 sized engine with a/c then at £13,300 (+ metalic paint) it is expensive if you do not want the reversing camera etc.

There are a lot of super minis on the market for a lot less, i.e. Mazda 2, Suzuki swift, Hyundai I20 etc.

I can appreciate that. The thing is, when you look at the amount of equipement you get as standard on the Yaris compared to the rest of the B-Segment, that's when you see the difference in price, or if the competition even offer the same equipement.

I'm not too clued up on what the competition has to offer, as I'm relatively new to the industry, so for instance, Fiesta has a Space Saving Spare Wheel option which I believe is £60 (off-hand)

Standard on Yaris

[Bos]

In my opinion one of the biggest problems with the new Yaris is price. If you want a 1.3 sized engine with a/c then at £13,300 (+ metalic paint) it is expensive if you do not want the reversing camera etc.

There are a lot of super minis on the market for a lot less, i.e. Mazda 2, Suzuki swift, Hyundai I20 etc.

I can appreciate that. The thing is, when you look at the amount of equipement you get as standard on the Yaris compared to the rest of the B-Segment, that's when you see the difference in price, or if the competition even offer the same equipement.

I'm not too clued up on what the competition has to offer, as I'm relatively new to the industry, so for instance, Fiesta has a Space Saving Spare Wheel option which I believe is £60 (off-hand)

Standard on Yaris

I understand what you are saying, but do all drivers want the rear view screen etc., I don't.

I have been driving Toyota's since the mid. 70's and just want a simpler car but with a/c., not the camera etc.

The Mazda 2 for instance is £11,500 (+ metalic paint). For that you get a 1349 cc engine with £30 road tax, Electric folding heated mirrors, Alarm and similar fuel consumption. ( Av. 55mpg.) Thats a saving of approx. £1800. You can buy a extra 2 years warranty for a lot less than that.

I know that the Yaris has 5 years warranty where the Mazda has 3, but other cars like the Hyundai has 5 and is a similar price to the Mazda.

[Lancaster Rayleigh]

In my opinion one of the biggest problems with the new Yaris is price. If you want a 1.3 sized engine with a/c then at £13,300 (+ metalic paint) it is expensive if you do not want the reversing camera etc.

There are a lot of super minis on the market for a lot less, i.e. Mazda 2, Suzuki swift, Hyundai I20 etc.

I can appreciate that. The thing is, when you look at the amount of equipement you get as standard on the Yaris compared to the rest of the B-Segment, that's when you see the difference in price, or if the competition even offer the same equipement.

I'm not too clued up on what the competition has to offer, as I'm relatively new to the industry, so for instance, Fiesta has a Space Saving Spare Wheel option which I believe is £60 (off-hand)

Standard on Yaris

I understand what you are saying, but do all drivers want the rear view screen etc., I don't.

I have been driving Toyota's since the mid. 70's and just want a simpler car but with a/c., not the camera etc.

The Mazda 2 for instance is £11,500 (+ metalic paint). For that you get a 1349 cc engine with £30 road tax, Electric folding heated mirrors, Alarm and similar fuel consumption. ( Av. 55mpg.) Thats a saving of approx. £1800. You can buy a extra 2 years warranty for a lot less than that.

I know that the Yaris has 5 years warranty where the Mazda has 3, but other cars like the Hyundai has 5 and is a similar price to the Mazda.

That is a fair enough point. That not every driver wants it, and that is true. However, most will take it if it was given for free.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Toyota knew it wasn't going to please the majority of their current customers, but have taken a risk with it anyway, in order to attract a younger audience. Hense the amount of "gadgets" on the Yaris. I have found a much younger attention being made at the Centre I work in, and the main focus has been the Touch & Go multimedia system with the rear view camera. With the various options we can offer, it's making quite affordable for people to get into.