Charliefarlies Guide To The Toyota 2Ad Diesel Engine And Its Issues.

[Wookie123]

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Might have to try a few more local dealerships and see what answers I can get. Just my luck though as the Oil Change light has just come on, and I really don't want to pay for an oil service if they're going to end up replacing the engine in a couple of months as it seems rather pointless!

Also they are stating that I need a Full Service History, which I have up until a missed service last year, although this was after the EGR problems, is this likely to be an issue?

[Gav rav]

Just had a call from mr T as they are half way through the engine replacement and recommend I change the clutch as it's worn, he couldn't give me a price as he was waiting for someone to get back to him. Has anybody else had It done with the engine swap and how much did it cost them? It should be cheaper with labour costs reduced?

[CharlieFarlie]

Cost for my clutch was pennys over 300 quid inc VAT and there should be NO labour charge as fitting is is exactly the same procedure labour wise......

[CharlieFarlie]

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Might have to try a few more local dealerships and see what answers I can get. Just my luck though as the Oil Change light has just come on, and I really don't want to pay for an oil service if they're going to end up replacing the engine in a couple of months as it seems rather pointless!

Also they are stating that I need a Full Service History, which I have up until a missed service last year, although this was after the EGR problems, is this likely to be an issue?

Could be an issue but I think it may depend on mileage as well ... We did have a member on here refused recently but from memory his service was well overdue on both miles and time elapsed.....

[Big Kev]

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Might have to try a few more local dealerships and see what answers I can get. Just my luck though as the Oil Change light has just come on, and I really don't want to pay for an oil service if they're going to end up replacing the engine in a couple of months as it seems rather pointless!

Also they are stating that I need a Full Service History, which I have up until a missed service last year, although this was after the EGR problems, is this likely to be an issue?

So you are loathe to pay for an oil change, Nathan, which may give them the ammunition to refuse you a new engine due to lack of proper service history, on top of a missed service last year to which you are admitting. You are asking is this an issue.......?

Good God aye, mate.......

[JHL]

Gavrav, Sorry I am a couple of posts behind, had my clutch replaced when the engine was changed, cost £290.13 + VAT

[CharlieFarlie]

Gavrav, Sorry I am a couple of posts behind, had my clutch replaced when the engine was changed, cost £290.13 + VAT

That is approximately what I was quoted but asked for discount which was given so price paid was £300.....

[Big Kev]

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Might have to try a few more local dealerships and see what answers I can get. Just my luck though as the Oil Change light has just come on, and I really don't want to pay for an oil service if they're going to end up replacing the engine in a couple of months as it seems rather pointless!

Also they are stating that I need a Full Service History, which I have up until a missed service last year, although this was after the EGR problems, is this likely to be an issue?

So you are loathe to pay for an oil change, Nathan, which may give them the ammunition to refuse you a new engine due to lack of proper service history, on top of a missed service last year to which you are admitting. You are asking is this an issue.......?

Good God aye, mate.......

HOW DID MY REPLY END UP ON HERE FFS.?

[Diesel1]

Just had a call from mr T as they are half way through the engine replacement and recommend I change the clutch as it's worn, he couldn't give me a price as he was waiting for someone to get back to him. Has anybody else had It done with the engine swap and how much did it cost them? It should be cheaper with labour costs reduced?

I too was told my clutch was worn...... and also that my flywheel was knackered! Cost? £1200.58 including VAT and of course the labour was free!!!!

Simon.

[Gav rav]

Cheers lads, I will say I'm only paying 300 quid then!

[CharlieFarlie]

Never heard of a DMF needing replacement on a 2.2D.... Remind me of the mileage ?

If it is knackered it will be best done now though as the labour will be huge if its left till later.....

Kev you have me totally confused ?

[Big Kev]

He doesn't want to pay for an oil change coz he MAY be getting an engine change, and missed an oil change last year or sumfink due to Egr problems.......is he not feeding them excuses to say poor service record so forget new engine.....?

[CharlieFarlie]

Well if it missed a service last year we should remember its now this year so could be adding up to 2 years since its last service ??

Wonder what odds William Hill would give ??

[Diesel1]

Never heard of a DMF needing replacement on a 2.2D.... Remind me of the mileage ?

If it is knackered it will be best done now though as the labour will be huge if its left till later.....

Kev you have me totally confused ?

Charlie are you asking me?

If so the mileage on my clutch/flywheel was 63700 at replacement. I asked for the clutch checking on the first engine replacement at 58700. They did not check the clutch. I think the flywheel problems began around 61000 miles.

Simon.

[CharlieFarlie]

Never heard of a DMF needing replacement on a 2.2D.... Remind me of the mileage ?

If it is knackered it will be best done now though as the labour will be huge if its left till later.....

Kev you have me totally confused ?

Charlie are you asking me?

If so the mileage on my clutch/flywheel was 63700 at replacement. I asked for the clutch checking on the first engine replacement at 58700. They did not check the clutch. I think the flywheel problems began around 61000 miles.

Simon.

Simon.. My fault confused again but this thread has diversified into so many subjects ! But that is partly my fault.....

Fact remains though it is the first time I have heard of a DMF failure on a 2.2D......

[Wookie123]

Missed service last year was in October, simply because we couldn't afford it due to my wife being made redundant. We are currently 3K miles/5 months overdue on the service, the only service that's ever been missed, other than that we have a FSH with Toyota dealerships.

As for the oil change, currently we're just getting out of the financial quagmire we got sucked in to, so saving 130 quid on an oil change that would be rendered completely pointless if the engine block is changed would be kinda handy if we don't need to spend it.

[Diesel1]

Never heard of a DMF needing replacement on a 2.2D.... Remind me of the mileage ?

If it is knackered it will be best done now though as the labour will be huge if its left till later.....

Kev you have me totally confused ?

Charlie are you asking me?

If so the mileage on my clutch/flywheel was 63700 at replacement. I asked for the clutch checking on the first engine replacement at 58700. They did not check the clutch. I think the flywheel problems began around 61000 miles.

Simon.

Simon.. My fault confused again but this thread has diversified into so many subjects ! But that is partly my fault.....

Fact remains though it is the first time I have heard of a DMF failure on a 2.2D......

I understand and it is true there has been some meandering in this thread but it is in relation to the engine change and me asking the dealer to check to clutch and their failure to do so that made me comment on it!

As a little further detour I phoned the lady, who crashed into me in between engine changes, tonight and thanked her for changing her statement to the insurers to say that I had crashed into her (!) even though she admitted responsibility at the scene. Also thanks to 'Just Car Clinic' for not only losing my wheel lock nut adapter but also performing a full n/s rear quarter removal and reweld with the wheel still in place and leaving a massive paint edge and for damaging the door and tailgate spoiler to boot! (Full pun intended!) A first rate ballox of a job.

Simon.

[MichaelmcJ]

Hi all - my first post

Just spent about two hours reading this thread from the top. I now need a glass of something strong.

Bought an April 2006 Rav4 2.2 D4D XT4 privately three weeks ago - I'm in County Antrim in 'norn' Ireland.

Pretty good service history, 73,000 miles. Love the car and want it as a long term 'keeper'. Prepared to lavish it with love, a chip and even lubrications. Only flaw I find so far is slight crunch going into second gear. Engine was sounding a bit knocky, but it's been very cold here. Am getting about 35 MPG in town-ish driving.

Am worried about this 2AD engine lark though.

Perhaps you guys could answer a couple of questions for me please.

First - from my vin no. I've figured out I have a 2AD FTV engine. But I cannot for the life of me find a good description of this engine anywhere - does it have a DPF and EGR? Where can I get more info?

Second - I popped into the dealer in Belfast to try and find out more details about my engine, before establishing my rights re the engine replacement issue. Parts guy said FTV engine in my year does not have a DPF and the troubles with Toyota engines are related to the T180 engine from 2009 on. Is this true? Do the 2AD problems apply to FTV engines (and FHV) and what's the difference between all three?

Third - I need to establish if I have a happy engine, a going-to-be-a-problem engine or an actual problem engine. Is the only way to establish this through monitoring the oil usage?

All help greatly appreciated.

BTY the Toyota parts guy said to try this forum as 'they know more than us' a lot of the time.

He's not wrong there, as I've found already.

Michael

[CharlieFarlie]

Firstly I'm not absolutely sure your XT4 has a DPNR (Toyota speak for the DPF) But it matters not if it does or does not.. I t will have an EGR valve.. DO NOT CLEAN IT ! If you do it can hide one of the tell tales if things start to manifest..

All cars in the Toyota Range fitted with the 2,2 2AD series engines are liable to the issues it is certainly NOT just T180 engines..

The T180 ran from 2006 to 2009 (ish) so your Dealer has little idea.

Monitor you oil levels and keep an eye on the expansion outlet to see if there is any coolant being expelled. Poor MPG is another key indicator but your 35 MPG round town sounds fine to me ..

No one can say how likely your car is to suffer or not.. The numbers that do are not pleasant and only you can decide if the risk is bearable or not..

The extended warranty is seven years from registration so that will run out on your cars seventh birthday this year.

1st to 2nd gear can be notchy especially when cold . You will likely develop the technique of changing early at low revs .. There is a modified part that can be fitted but never bothered .

The change on my car was significantly improved by having a new clutch fitted BUT only after 2 goes at getting the adjustments spot on ! I feel that very careful adjustment can be the key..

[anchorman]

Hi all - my first post

Just spent about two hours reading this thread from the top. I now need a glass of something strong.

Bought an April 2006 Rav4 2.2 D4D XT4 privately three weeks ago - I'm in County Antrim in 'norn' Ireland.

Pretty good service history, 73,000 miles. Love the car and want it as a long term 'keeper'. Prepared to lavish it with love, a chip and even lubrications. Only flaw I find so far is slight crunch going into second gear. Engine was sounding a bit knocky, but it's been very cold here. Am getting about 35 MPG in town-ish driving.

Am worried about this 2AD engine lark though.

Perhaps you guys could answer a couple of questions for me please.

First - from my vin no. I've figured out I have a 2AD FTV engine. But I cannot for the life of me find a good description of this engine anywhere - does it have a DPF and EGR? Where can I get more info?

Second - I popped into the dealer in Belfast to try and find out more details about my engine, before establishing my rights re the engine replacement issue. Parts guy said FTV engine in my year does not have a DPF and the troubles with Toyota engines are related to the T180 engine from 2009 on. Is this true? Do the 2AD problems apply to FTV engines (and FHV) and what's the difference between all three?

Third - I need to establish if I have a happy engine, a going-to-be-a-problem engine or an actual problem engine. Is the only way to establish this through monitoring the oil usage?

All help greatly appreciated.

BTY the Toyota parts guy said to try this forum as 'they know more than us' a lot of the time.

He's not wrong there, as I've found already.

Michael

PM me with your email address. I can provide you with detailed info on the engine.

[voyager t180]

As Michael I'm new to the forum..just bought a 2006 T180 with 63k mls.
Everything 'seems' fine,no coolant loss,engine oils clean with no loss of oil,clutch ok too.
But who knows??
The spec is superb,but I'd much rather have a bomb proof engine!which I previously thought the Rav4 was?
After saying that this thread looks very much like ones I've seen on other car forums.
Not just confined to Toyota..
The wifes finished reading War & Peace while I was still on page 31

[Prince_209]

Hi. I rang the dealership back and got through to someone who also wanted to charge to inspect the car. So I explained to him that Toyota GB are aware of this issue and there's no charge for checking the oil, i.e. to do an oil consumption check. He said he'd look into it as he was unaware of this issue and call me back. He rang me back and invited me to the dealership to check the oil level, free of charge! So have had this checked now and will take the car back soon, once it's used a litre, which will be well under the 1200 miles/litre he quoted. He also asked to see the service history the next time I go there. I checked the paperwork and the stamps in the book are every 20,000 but there is a service printout which more or less is every 10,000-12,000 miles. So I assume that it's only been stamped in the book on every major service, but not for the minor services. Is this service print out, which shows the mileage at every service carried out, OK or will they kick up a fuss saying that all the services must be stamped in the book? Thanks.

[CharlieFarlie]

Hi. I rang the dealership back and got through to someone who also wanted to charge to inspect the car. So I explained to him that Toyota GB are aware of this issue and there's no charge for checking the oil, i.e. to do an oil consumption check. He said he'd look into it as he was unaware of this issue and call me back. He rang me back and invited me to the dealership to check the oil level, free of charge! So have had this checked now and will take the car back soon, once it's used a litre, which will be well under the 1200 miles/litre he quoted. He also asked to see the service history the next time I go there. I checked the paperwork and the stamps in the book are every 20,000 but there is a service printout which more or less is every 10,000-12,000 miles. So I assume that it's only been stamped in the book on every major service, but not for the minor services. Is this service print out, which shows the mileage at every service carried out, OK or will they kick up a fuss saying that all the services must be stamped in the book? Thanks.

If you have reasonable proof the car has been serviced according to the Toyota schedule you will be just fine..

[Prince_209]

Thanks for the reply Charlie, I'm not sure how I can find out what servicing was done though, unless I contact each and every place it's been serviced and ask them for a full list of what exactly they did.

Another update. I started my car this evening after work and the engine management light came on. I plugged in the code reader when I got home and it gave the code "P0400 - EGP Flow Malfunction". I need to take the car back to Toyota to check the oil again, just wondering whether I should tell them about this code as well whilst I'm there, as from the first post this looks like an issue that's also linked to the engine issue? Thanks.

[anchorman]

P0400 is an EGR problem. There may be a warranty claim on that but at the least you could clean it.