Charliefarlies Guide To The Toyota 2Ad Diesel Engine And Its Issues.

[Parts-King]

Well...

It's been quite a while since I've been on the forum! Has me mate Charlie really been banned? Don... send us a text if you still have me number. Gonna text Charlie tomz. I see the fun and games still go on with the 2AD engines! Ffs :(

Think you will find they have both gone to "The dark side" Taff

[Mistermena]

Well...

It's been quite a while since I've been on the forum! Has me mate Charlie really been banned? Don... send us a text if you still have me number. Gonna text Charlie tomz. I see the fun and games still go on with the 2AD engines! Ffs :(

Think you will find they have both gone to "The dark side" Taff

ouch!... No way mate?!... gonna have to find out what the Crack is now! :(

[paranoidandroid]

Hi folks, n00b to to the forums here from south west UK.

A couple of days ago I put down a 200quid deposit on a 2006 verso 2.2D TR in mint condition, full Toyota service history with 90k on the clock. Glowing reviews on honest john and parkers websites made up my mind for me.Then I stumbled on this !Removed! thread.....

And now I'm squitting bricks.

I've just got off the phone to Toyota UK, I rang them with the reg no. to see if the car has had its engine changed. Apparently it had an engine change in 2007. No idea how many miles it had done by that point but it can't have been many as it was only registered in 2006! I asked the Toyota chap if the rebuilt engines were prone to failure and he said there shouldn't be any probs with them. So, what I would like to know is how has everyone fared with their rebuilt engines over time? Have they been ticketty boo ever since or still dodgy? Basically I want to know if I should just walk away from this car or not?

Are the 2.0 diesels iffy from the same era iffy too or are they ok? I really want a verso as its ticking all my boxes but if its likely to be an unreliable pos then....

[Diesel1]

Hi Fin,

I had my replacement engine rebuilt, with all new internals, after just 5K! It has been fine since but I have only done 3.5k since the rebuild.

Good luck,

Simon.

[Uncle Buck]

Hi Fin, in all honesty I wouldn't like to recommend this car to you. I can't for one minute say it will definitely go wrong, as it's obviously lasted 7 years since the engine was done. However, at that age & mileage you won't have any cover remaining if things do go wrong & an independent warranty is going to be expensive. If the Dual Mass Flywheel goes it's several hundred pounds minimum, if the injectors go it's over a thousand pounds. If the DPF fails (quite likely at that mileage), again it's well in excess of a thousand pounds. If you can get your money back or swap it to another car, I would. But that's just my opinion - others will no doubt vary.

[Diesel1]

My DMF & clutch came in at £1200.58!

[blackcts]

Dmf and clutch at lexus on a 2.2 diesel was an eye watering £2080!

[blackcts]

I wouldn't be too worried about the car as long as it's had the modified parts fitted personally! Much less to go wrong on a petrol car that said

[Heidfirst]

Hi Fin, in all honesty I wouldn't like to recommend this car to you. I can't for one minute say it will definitely go wrong, as it's obviously lasted 7 years since the engine was done. However, at that age & mileage you won't have any cover remaining if things do go wrong & an independent warranty is going to be expensive. If the Dual Mass Flywheel goes it's several hundred pounds minimum, if the injectors go it's over a thousand pounds. If the DPF fails (quite likely at that mileage), again it's well in excess of a thousand pounds. If you can get your money back or swap it to another car, I would. But that's just my opinion - others will no doubt vary.

to be fair this is true of any modern turbodiesel. what is different with the Toyotas is the potential cylinder head issue - it's probably only a few % but you can't tell which will develop it.

[James..]

You're engine has been fixed, it will be fine - the point is, Toyota know what the problem is and fixed it with the rebuilt engine, so this car IS a good choice. If it hadn't been rebuilt you would more likely have the more sooty 'unreconstructed' engine and as a result likely have a dead DPF earlier than you would expect.

To be honest not sure I'd personally buy a 90K mile Jap diesel banger, .. just because once you are over that mileage if it does go wrong the bills could be a killer, accounting for 100%+ of the value of the car (assuming you're shelling out £2k) . I'd go for a euro diesel myself, easy to tune, and ready availability of parts and specialists to fix it. Did you get your new toy yet :) ?

[paranoidandroid]

I bottled out :(

Told the dealer 3 days after I paid the deposit that I wasn't going to buy it and he replied 'you just lost your 200 pounds, thanks for wasting my time' what a *****.

Buying a car should be a time of joy. I just had bad feelings and uncertainty about this engine and decided not to buy. Now someone locally is offering me an 06 tspirit with 130k on the clock with an engine change at 90k lol.....

Stressing me out this car buying business! Horror stories left right and centre about every car I like...

[blackcts]

If the 06 T-Spirit had an engine change at 90k that would be a good buy at the right money. As said before I'd rate the Jap stuff for reliability, the euro stuff is far more likely to go wrong as stated, but parts are cheap and most places have dealer level diagnostics for them.

That said..there's a reason why taxi drivers love Toyotas and every third world country!

[paranoidandroid]

The tspirit was mechanically great, clean interior but had unfortunately been scraped and scuffed on all 4 sides by the owners wife, and he was asking far too much. I had a drive though and it was really nice.

Are the 2.0L diesel verso engines prone to the same problems? Anyone had any experience with them? Sorry to go off topic in a 2.2D engine topic in a rav 4 forum lol.

[Heidfirst]

Vehicles Covered

Those vehicles fitted with AD diesel engines;

��Avensis with 1AD or 2AD (Prod. Date: Apr 2005 to Feb 2009)
��RAV4 with 2AD (Prod. Date: Jul 2005 to Dec 2008)
��Auris with 1AD or 2AD (Prod. Date: Sep 2006 to Sep 2009)
��Verso with 2AD (Prod. Date: Apr 2005 to Nov 2008)

Iirc 2.0L D4D Verso is 1AD (strange that 1 AD should be affected in Auris & Avensis but not Verso?).

[Devon Aygo]

The tspirit was mechanically great, clean interior but had unfortunately been scraped and scuffed on all 4 sides by the owners wife, and he was asking far too much. I had a drive though and it was really nice.

Are the 2.0L diesel verso engines prone to the same problems? Anyone had any experience with them? Sorry to go off topic in a 2.2D engine topic in a rav 4 forum lol.

Vehicles Covered

Those vehicles fitted with AD diesel engines;

��Avensis with 1AD or 2AD (Prod. Date: Apr 2005 to Feb 2009)

��RAV4 with 2AD (Prod. Date: Jul 2005 to Dec 2008)

��Auris with 1AD or 2AD (Prod. Date: Sep 2006 to Sep 2009)

��Verso with 2AD (Prod. Date: Apr 2005 to Nov 2008)

Iirc 2.0L D4D Verso is 1AD (strange that 1 AD should be affected in Auris & Avensis but not Verso?).

The 2.0 D4D fitted to the last model Verso was not affected as it is a 1CD engine, the last Verso never got the later 1AD 2.0 D4D only the 2AD 150-180 bhp engines which where affected with the oil consumption/head gasket issues.

The older 2.0 1CD D4d is of an earlier design it does have a timing belt ( Change @ 5yr/60k ) rather than a chain and is rather underpowered at 116bhp but in 2006 was at the end of its product cycle so most issues where ironed out earlier in its product life starting back in 2000.

In 2006 the AD series of engines was only just 12 months in to it cycle and as is widely posted here the AD engines where only sorted from late 2008 on wards.

A later current shape Verso would be within this fixed period and includes both 2.0 1AD and 2.2 Ad engines.

2004 > 2009 Verso had:

1CD-FTV 2.0 D4D 116 bhp

2AD-FTV 2.2 D4D 150 bhp

2AD-HTV 2.2 D4D 180 bhp

2009>

1AD-FTV 2.0 D4D 126 bhp

2AD-FTV 2.2 D4D 150 bhp

2AD-HTV 2.2 D4D 180 bhp

And from 2014 on

1WW-FTV 1.6 D4D BMW engine

[paranoidandroid]

Thanks for clearing that up! Decided to widen my search to include Verso's with the 1CD engine now. I don't mind it not being quite as powerful. Cambelt change isn't too much of a pain in the wallet...

*edit* bought a verso with 1CD engine now. BTW its a royal pain in the **** trying to check with Toyota UK to see if a 2.2 engine has been replaced or not. First time I rang them a helpful guy said"yep no worries just give me the reg. and I'll check our database, yes this car had its engine changed back in 08" etc etc. I rang again with a couple of other reg. numbers and the girl didn't have a clue what I was on about. She wouldn't escalate my call either annoyingly and kept asking me to check with the dealership the car was serviced at.....as the cars were on autotrader I didnt have a clue.

[bkz187]

I just spoke to 2 local dealers with regards to this extended warranty and my EGR, Inlet Manifold and DPF being heavily sooted. They say they do not entertain anything to do with these items. Apparently they only entertain vehicles with excessive oil usage and/or head gasket issues.

They said I must replace my EGR, my Inlet Manifold and my DPF before they would do a oil consumption test.

Either they have not read the guidelines below or the guidelines have changed?

Does anybody know the full TSB number?

"AD Engine Out of Warranty Guidelines (0730J)

We are pleased to advise that we have received more formalised guidelines from TME for the handling of AD engine problems on out of warranty vehicles. The coverage and processes are summarised below.

Conditions Covered

1) Oil consumption worse than 0.5 litre per 621 miles (1,000 km)
2) Overheating & Head Gasket failure due to carbon deposits on the pistons

For all other out of warranty conditions related to AD engine problems, where the customer complaint can be directly linked to a “carbon clogging” concern, i.e. EGR Valve, DPNR, 5th Injector, EGR Cooler, blocked manifold, etc., we would accept this as being linked to an oil consumption condition.

[weh]

Has anyone heard of a car outside UK being given a replacement engine? My Rav4 blew a head gasket last year. My local T service some months earlier didn't pick up the problem, but, knowing something was wrong, I took it to a diesel specialist who identified the problem and fixed it - very expensively! I complained to Mr T and got the brush off. A spokesperson at the time messaged that the engine was the model affected and that I may have got some assistance from T except that I went to a mechanic other than one of theirs.

The car, by the way, is a Euro-spec model imported directly from Japan as new.

I'd love to hear if any other owners outside UK have had any similar problems.

[Raistlin]

I think you just answered your own question there

[FROSTYBALLS]

Has anyone heard of a car outside UK being given a replacement engine? My Rav4 blew a head gasket last year. My local T service some months earlier didn't pick up the problem, but, knowing something was wrong, I took it to a diesel specialist who identified the problem and fixed it - very expensively! I complained to Mr T and got the brush off. A spokesperson at the time messaged that the engine was the model affected and that I may have got some assistance from T except that I went to a mechanic other than one of theirs.

The car, by the way, is a Euro-spec model imported directly from Japan as new.

I'd love to hear if any other owners outside UK have had any similar problems.

The extended warranty on these engines is a goodwill measure by Toyota, and, as with any other car manufacturer, I cannot see Toyota making a goodwill contribution towards repairs that have already been undertaken, especially when these have been done outside the relevant dealer network.

[Heidfirst]

"The car, by the way, is a Euro-spec model imported directly from Japan as new."

"The extended warranty on these engines is a goodwill measure by Toyota"

More specifically by Toyota UK. The OP didn't buy a Toyota UK vehicle & hasn't had work done by a Toyota UK franchise = imo case closed.

[jazzyman]

Any advice on this one please?

It concerns a 2007 Auris 2.0 D4D that I purchased a few weeks ago from an independent car trader The Auris is a low mileage 35K one owner with a full Toyota history. I really like the car, but I found that the coolant level was dropping.

I requested the vehicle's service history from Toyota and I was shocked to discover that in 2013 the EGR valve had to be changed due to fault code P0400 and the EGR valve had to be replace due to carbon build up. A visual inspection was also carried out just before the 7 year deadline for the extended warranty and the inspection noted coolant level low and a water pump leak, new water pump advised.

The coolant problem is being sorted by the independent trader that I purchased the car from, new water pump under trader's warranty. I am verry worried now that it is the dreaded head gasket problem associated with these engines.

Because of the reported EGR problem and the water pump leak before the 7 year warranty expired, would this be sufficient for Toyota to consider a new engine replacement if needs be?

[Parts-King]

Because of the reported EGR problem and the water pump leak before the 7 year warranty expired, would this be sufficient for Toyota to consider a new engine replacement if needs be?

No. It is seven years, not seven years plus a day

You bought the car from a independent trader, it is HIS responsibility and nobody else's to sort out

[Mistermena]

Ouch! Harsh words there from Kingo!... But true all the same! The limit is not a day or mileage over! I would still write a very nice letter to Mr T. Have a chat with Devon agyo on here! He maybe able to help? He is now a moderator for the forum...

[jazzyman]

Luckily it was just a water pump issue on my Auris. A block test confirmed that there were no combustion problems.

Please could someone explain what alterations/modifications were made to the replacement engines that were fitted by Toyota under warranty repairs? Because the problem seems to be associated with excessive carbon build up in the engines, would it not be wise to blank off the EGR valve? if so as anyone done this mod and were there any improvements?