Has Your 2.2 D4D (2Ad) Rav4 Had A New Engine?

[kanulondon]

Sorry but I think the poll is the` icing on the cake/final nail in the coffin` for 2.2d residual values.

Anyone thinking about one will be rightly or wrongly warned off. :o

People come onto forums for help and answers, usually in the negative, a poll will be biased towards only people with problems who will answer, the masses who have no problems will never get the chance to have their say

Kingo

+1

I totally agree. We need to be mindful people!

The previous owners clearly loved the car and had it serviced regularly with no problems. Only due to my 'special' personality did I delve deep into the poor mpg / oil issue and found myself here! (the rest is history). That's the interesting thing about the 2.2 AD issue, it's not a matter of safety (I assume?)

We should do a poll, to find out how many owners engines actually 'died' due to this problem. It may look a little different

I am in no way defending this engines failures or Mr T..

[Daveyonthemove]

Assuming that everyone answers honestly, the poll might be useful, but you can't be sure that someone who has a grudge against the brand won't vote in a negative manner in the hope of hurting the reputation and putting off future owners.

[crustyclam]

Sorry but I think the poll is the` icing on the cake/final nail in the coffin` for 2.2d residual values. Anyone thinking about one will be rightly or wrongly warned off. :o

People come onto forums for help and answers, usually in the negative, a poll will be biased towards only people with problems who will answer, the masses who have no problems will never get the chance to have their say Kingo

That is why I, as a TOC Forum Member for around 5 years, have bought a RAV4 2.2D in full knowledge of the apparently massive number of people who have had new engines. As Kingo says, the majority of people come onto a Forum to post questions for their problems; They don't generally come on to say how they have had no issues with their vehicle. If you were to go onto ANY specific make/model forum as a way to decide whether or not to purchase a vehicle based on reported problems, chances are you would not buy a SINGLE car of ANY make

Exactly my point, a lot of clued up people come on to a forum specifically to research the faults on a particular model before buying one.

Thats what i did, came to this forum for help on one paticular issue, and then after reading issues about the engine i thought "great what the hell have i bought". Naturally then fear grows and you want to know how many vehicles this affects., is mine going to fail after 7 years, is it going to cost me an arm or a leg. I look on my recent engine failure as a blessing and a positive. All being well, it will now see me good. Premium fuel all the way now for me, going to alternate between Shell v & bp ultimate. Have noticed my mpg has gone down since the change, but not sure if thats due to the extra cold weather, i only travel 12.5mile to work, and with these temps the first 4-5mile the engine temp is still not up to normal.

[benxt5]

Well, mine has done 58k miles now, I've put 12k of those on in the last 18 months of ownership. Only problems so far are the water pump leaking (Mr T replaced for free even though the car was almost 4 years old), the clunk sound from the front and a leaky seal at the base of the windscreen.

I get about 35mpg on a mixed commute and around 47mpg on a motorway run at 70ish mph.

Not bad for what is almost a 2 tonner.

Have I just tempted fate?!?!

[local hero]

Please don't think i am having a go at anyone, by all means discuss this till we are blue in the face, have a poll, but i just don't get what the poll is telling us..So far 6 have had an engine 10 have not, 3 of the 6 have had 1 engine 2have had 2 engines and one poor chap has had 2+ engines what on earth does this tell us???? or am i missing something Stew..

And as for the long standing argument about quality diesel, I followed a Mc Donalds artic today and signwritten on the back it stated, we re-cycle used catering oil into Bio Diesel and run our trucks on it.. This was about £100,000 worth of Daf tractor unit, so come on, V power, ordinary diesel not up to standard..B****cks

[jedi134]

Do any other manufacturers engines suffer with supermarket fuels to the extent of engine failure?

[Daveyonthemove]

And as for the long standing argument about quality diesel, I followed a Mc Donalds artic today and signwritten on the back it stated, we re-cycle used catering oil into Bio Diesel and run our trucks on it.. This was about £100,000 worth of Daf tractor unit, so come on, V power, ordinary diesel not up to standard..B****cks

Mcdonalds may have specified a vehicle with an engine CAPABLE of running on Bio, and in fairness, Bio is better for engines anyway, but most modern diesels are designed and tuned to run on dyno-fuel.

Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard, because it is. Our cars wouldn't run on it if it wasn't, but the premium fuels are better. They burn better and cleaner and include additive packages that keep things clean and working properly.

Unless you have tried a tankful and compared it to your usual fuel, you won't realise how much better the car runs, and how little the ACTUAL cost is thanks to extra MPG gains.

I'm happy to pay the extra £3 on a full tank of fuel, simply because my car gains enough miles from that tank to make the cost negligible, and the cleaner components should increase their lifespan, but I can only speak from personal experience and brim to brim testing. I fully understand that there will always be people who will be sceptical and prefer to run their engines on supermarket fuel.

[local hero]

And as for the long standing argument about quality diesel, I followed a Mc Donalds artic today and signwritten on the back it stated, we re-cycle used catering oil into Bio Diesel and run our trucks on it.. This was about £100,000 worth of Daf tractor unit, so come on, V power, ordinary diesel not up to standard..B****cks

Mcdonalds may have specified a vehicle with an engine CAPABLE of running on Bio, and in fairness, Bio is better for engines anyway, but most modern diesels are designed and tuned to run on dyno-fuel.

Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard, because it is. Our cars wouldn't run on it if it wasn't, but the premium fuels are better. They burn better and cleaner and include additive packages that keep things clean and working properly.

Unless you have tried a tankful and compared it to your usual fuel, you won't realise how much better the car runs, and how little the ACTUAL cost is thanks to extra MPG gains.

I'm happy to pay the extra £3 on a full tank of fuel, simply because my car gains enough miles from that tank to make the cost negligible, and the cleaner components should increase their lifespan, but I can only speak from personal experience and brim to brim testing. I fully understand that there will always be people who will be sceptical and prefer to run their engines on supermarket fuel.

No No, I totally 100% agree with all you say except for one line, "Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard" well yes several people including Totota (alledgedly) are saying roughly that british fuel is such poor quality that our toyota engines will not tolerate it.. and yes i never run my Rav on supermarket fuel, Its one thing to say v power is better for our cars, but its a completely different thing to say CHEAPER fuels are harming them...Stew

[CharlieFarlie]

And as for the long standing argument about quality diesel, I followed a Mc Donalds artic today and signwritten on the back it stated, we re-cycle used catering oil into Bio Diesel and run our trucks on it.. This was about £100,000 worth of Daf tractor unit, so come on, V power, ordinary diesel not up to standard..B****cks

Mcdonalds may have specified a vehicle with an engine CAPABLE of running on Bio, and in fairness, Bio is better for engines anyway, but most modern diesels are designed and tuned to run on dyno-fuel.

Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard, because it is. Our cars wouldn't run on it if it wasn't, but the premium fuels are better. They burn better and cleaner and include additive packages that keep things clean and working properly.

Unless you have tried a tankful and compared it to your usual fuel, you won't realise how much better the car runs, and how little the ACTUAL cost is thanks to extra MPG gains.

I'm happy to pay the extra £3 on a full tank of fuel, simply because my car gains enough miles from that tank to make the cost negligible, and the cleaner components should increase their lifespan, but I can only speak from personal experience and brim to brim testing. I fully understand that there will always be people who will be sceptical and prefer to run their engines on supermarket fuel.

Spot on and well put !! I was the biggest sceptic of Posh diesels for over twenty Years and refused to listen and accept what I called a load of bowlarks.....

Then after listening and debating the subject wit the very knowledgeable and down to earth Service Manager at a Toyota Dealership I actually for once listened and tried the stuff.... Now does it go better and accelerate harder ?? Errr No but it does definitely go a lot farther or at least the car goes more miles per tank over the same monotonous 360 mile journey than when filled with cheap supermarket stuff.. That will do for Me then ....

[CharlieFarlie]

And as for the long standing argument about quality diesel, I followed a Mc Donalds artic today and signwritten on the back it stated, we re-cycle used catering oil into Bio Diesel and run our trucks on it.. This was about £100,000 worth of Daf tractor unit, so come on, V power, ordinary diesel not up to standard..B****cks

Mcdonalds may have specified a vehicle with an engine CAPABLE of running on Bio, and in fairness, Bio is better for engines anyway, but most modern diesels are designed and tuned to run on dyno-fuel.

Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard, because it is. Our cars wouldn't run on it if it wasn't, but the premium fuels are better. They burn better and cleaner and include additive packages that keep things clean and working properly.

Unless you have tried a tankful and compared it to your usual fuel, you won't realise how much better the car runs, and how little the ACTUAL cost is thanks to extra MPG gains.

I'm happy to pay the extra £3 on a full tank of fuel, simply because my car gains enough miles from that tank to make the cost negligible, and the cleaner components should increase their lifespan, but I can only speak from personal experience and brim to brim testing. I fully understand that there will always be people who will be sceptical and prefer to run their engines on supermarket fuel.

Spot on and well put !! I was the biggest sceptic of Posh diesels for over twenty Years and refused to listen and accept what I called a load of bowlarks.....

Then after listening and debating the subject wit the very knowledgeable and down to earth Service Manager at a Toyota Dealership I actually for once listened and tried the stuff.... Now does it

And as for the long standing argument about quality diesel, I followed a Mc Donalds artic today and signwritten on the back it stated, we re-cycle used catering oil into Bio Diesel and run our trucks on it.. This was about £100,000 worth of Daf tractor unit, so come on, V power, ordinary diesel not up to standard..B****cks

Mcdonalds may have specified a vehicle with an engine CAPABLE of running on Bio, and in fairness, Bio is better for engines anyway, but most modern diesels are designed and tuned to run on dyno-fuel.

Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard, because it is. Our cars wouldn't run on it if it wasn't, but the premium fuels are better. They burn better and cleaner and include additive packages that keep things clean and working properly.

Unless you have tried a tankful and compared it to your usual fuel, you won't realise how much better the car runs, and how little the ACTUAL cost is thanks to extra MPG gains.

I'm happy to pay the extra £3 on a full tank of fuel, simply because my car gains enough miles from that tank to make the cost negligible, and the cleaner components should increase their lifespan, but I can only speak from personal experience and brim to brim testing. I fully understand that there will always be people who will be sceptical and prefer to run their engines on supermarket fuel.

No No, I totally 100% agree with all you say except for one line, "Nobody is saying that ordinary fuel isn't up to standard" well yes several people including Totota (alledgedly) are saying roughly that british fuel is such poor quality that our toyota engines will not tolerate it.. and yes i never run my Rav on supermarket fuel, Its one thing to say v power is better for our cars, but its a completely different thing to say CHEAPER fuels are harming them...Stew

go better and accelerate harder ?? Errr No but it does definitely go a lot farther or at least the car goes more miles per tank over the same monotonous 360 mile journey than when filled with cheap supermarket stuff.. That will do for Me then ....

Stew. with respect I will say this one last time ..

It is not that the cheaper or supermarket diesels are not up to spec and harming the 2AD engines...

It is/was a design fault WITH THE ENGINE ITSELF that means/meant that the engines will not last when fed this lower specification fuel.

This is why Toyota have adopted a policy of replacing engines that have and are failing. Because they designed an engine that was not up to standing the fuels sold in the same marketplace the cars were being sold.

An engine Say from a Mondeo will likely run for several hundreds of thousands of miles without the issues I / We are having because it design was better or stronger or whatever.....

This raises the question why has My replacement and modified engine failed after just 8,000 miles and it has been run mostly on Vpower ?? Dunno haven't a clue. They are saying it could just be a bad piston or rings but Who knows ??

[jedi134]

These engines must be similar to the VW FSI engines. These VW engines when using high quality fuels will go into a lean burn mode, which is good for mpg and lower emissions but only at low loads, eg. Motorway cruising speeds, if they had low spec fuel, the ecu would know and would not let the car go into this special Fuel Stratified mode.

When in lean mode the engines runs very hot (motorway speeds). I don't want to go on about oils again, but VW have strick specifications of oils that go into their engines, more than likely to cope with the extra heat, produced by these engines...

Just a thought :D

[local hero]

Let me say, I have never been sure what is meant by "Cheap" supermarket fuel, sometimes to be fair Asda have a deal on at 138.9 (diesel) but Morrisons, Tesco. etc usually pricematch the nearest petrol station, The cheapest fuel in Manchester is usually standard Shell.. I try to avoid supermarket fuel and as Shell is usually the same price i fill up there. but i find it very difficult to believe that whether its a fault or not Toyota have made an engine for the UK market, sold by Toyota UK dealers that will not tolerate UK fuel because quite simply this is akin to fitting gas central heating in Areas where there isn,t any gas, and from this point of view you gotta wonder whether cars with this engine are actually fit for purpose, Anyway on a lighter note, as i fill up every day, can anyone explain why you cannot stop the fuel pump on an even number, its always £20-01p £25=01p £29-99 £30-00 £30-01 Stew

[Daveyonthemove]

VW used to use PD engines, and any oil other than PD oil would damage the engine. This isn't a problem if you know about it, but so many people don't understand the difference in oil (just like fuel) and would take it to the cheapest garage for a service with whatever oil was on the shelf, usually NON PD.

I have no idea if Vpower is a solution to the HG issue with the 2.2, or if it makes no difference, but the way i see it... Its a high performance engine (which has now been overtaken with more modern engines) which deserves high grade fuel, and if it helps to keep things clean while delivering better MPG, then its good value for money that could save money down the road.

[Daveyonthemove]

Let me say, I have never been sure what is meant by "Cheap" supermarket fuel, sometimes to be fair Asda have a deal on at 138.9 (diesel) but Morrisons, Tesco. etc usually pricematch the nearest petrol station, The cheapest fuel in Manchester is usually standard Shell.. I try to avoid supermarket fuel and as Shell is usually the same price i fill up there. but i find it very difficult to believe that whether its a fault or not Toyota have made an engine for the UK market, sold by Toyota UK dealers that will not tolerate UK fuel because quite simply this is akin to fitting gas central heating in Areas where there isn,t any gas, and from this point of view you gotta wonder whether cars with this engine are actually fit for purpose, Anyway on a lighter note, as i fill up every day, can anyone explain why you cannot stop the fuel pump on an even number, its always £20-01p £25=01p £29-99 £30-00 £30-01 Stew

'Cheap' supermarket fuel is poor terminology really.

The fuel is up to UK spec, but is a lower grade (Think REAL Coca-cola vs Supermarket own brand) without the additives.

Some fuel (Morrisons mostly) have higher Bio content than your manual would suggest that you use.

Also, it wasn't that long ago that Tesco sold a dodgy batch of fuel that was contaminated and ruined a lot of engines, so thats another good reason to stick to the fuel 'specialists' for the food your car needs, and use the supermarket for the fuel your body needs.

[anchorman]

This poll doesn't really tell us anything and with respect to the OP who took the time to do it, it needs a lot more detail to tell us anything representative.

The engine itself is a very modern design - a twin cam chain driven engine with 16 hydraulic valves and features like block mounted counter balance shafts to reduce vibration. The ancillary devices like computer driven EGR, piezo injectors and DPF all help it sail through the requirements of Euro 5 (in the 90s they predicted that it would be impossible to meet Euro 3 without changing over to LPG and now we are on Euro 5 with regular diesel). To summarise, there is nothing wrong with the design of the engine. It has evolved in the post 2009 models to a so far faultless design with a few modifications and an uprated output of 150bhp that has done away with previous 180 versions.

Lets drop the suggestions that the design is flawed. It is as good as any modern engine and in many cases, far more reliable. The RAVs biggest market is the USA. I have little doubt that in 2005/6, the focus of design will have been getting the petrol engined versions into production. However, there would always be a requirement for a diesel engined version mainly for the European market and the designers came up with the afore mentioned 2AD to meet this need. Whether the design had the right amount of field validation we will never know but it was clear that for the first couple of years that running design changes were made to improve oil consumption and various other issues like oil leaks. I think most of these were in production by May 2008 without trawling through my TSBs.

For this reason the poll should be asking the year of the vehicle.

Now moving on to fuels. I've read various things about "British fuels" but I don't think that is in question. Having stripped several EGRs, I can state with confidence that those engines run on supermarket diesel clog up properly when the engine is run on supermarket fuel. Those run only on branded fuel do not UNLESS the engine is consuming oil. Post 2009 models have a completely different design of EGR which I have never had in bits and in any case only consume a small amount of oil if fully synthetic was used (we don't have a great deal of experience to validate that comment so keep an open mind). To summarise - the use of fuel is important especially if the engine uses oil but less so if it does not use much.

New engines. In the early days, the approved fix for oil consumption was to strip it down and add new parts - pistons, rings, gaskets, sealing etc. However, it is a very complicated engine and this process needs a special kind of mechanic that has experience of such tasks and is not for lads with NVQs in mechanical principles. Some of the dealerships will have them and some will not. Even if they do, you need to be lucky if one was allocated to your job. In some cases therefor, engine rebuilds were not successful and had to be done again. In some cases, the rebuild took place before all the current mods were in place so they still might not be right up to date although that might not effect the long term reliability. In recent times, Toyota have moved over to a remanufactured 3/4 engine. This takes away the risk of a dealer pleb and no doubt reduces the labour time and overall costs/risk. This engine comes with most of the latest spec parts and they sound and behave differently. For the most part they use little or no oil but can be excused for using some during the bedding process - I would not be concerned if I bought a brand new 2012 model RAV or any other brand and it did so.

We have had one instance of a new engine that is clearly not right. Charlies engine seems to have started consuming oil following the first oil change. At that stage it was refilled with fully synthetic oil and we are not sure what was added from new. The consumption seems to be going worse with the latest report of 1 litre in 350 miles. It goes in soon to have another engine fitted and we will no doubt get to know how that one differs.

The poll doesn't cater for that level of detail.

Now lets just keep a level head here. Charlie seems to have lost patience with his RAV and whatever the outcome of the next change, even if it is perfect like all the others we know about, it is going. Fair do's that is his perogative. This is somebody that posted that if he couldn't find a rattle on his door panel it would be sold by weekend so we can presume that he isn't the most tollerant of people. I think the same was said of a seat squeak.

There are a number of threads popped up along the lines of "oil doom and gloom", "poor residual values" 2AD this and that". These seem to imply that we are all doomed. We will need a new engine and it will be outside the amazing 7 year warranty period and if we come to sell we will only get peanuts for our condemed demic RAV. This line of posting is getting people down and for the first time since I joined in 2006 there is often tension, bad feeling and little spats of nastyness which has come about by this one case and those nieve enough to jump on the bandwagon. For the most part, owners are perfectly happy and are not mechanically minded enough to put this lot into perspective.

This is one engine out of hundreds that have been fitted.

Would the two people who voted two engines please tell us some more and the one person that voted 2+. Is this Charlie and Mistermena?

[cabcurtains]

I created the poll as other members were struggling to do it.

If additional questions are desired please provide a consolidated list and i will update it

[anchorman]

You did a good job CC but I don't think there is enough flexibilty in what you can create. It would be a massive poll.

Maybe there is another way. Let me think about it.

[Hoovie]

Would the two people who voted two engines please tell us some more and the one person that voted 2+. Is this Charlie and Mistermena?

I would be VERY happy to be proved wrong on what I am about to say, but I think the person who voted 2+ will not come forward as it was a made up answer by our very own little Forum Troll

[jedi134]

Not me nasty hoovie,, stop telling lies, you are one of those members who don't have a clue about mechanics, so cannot possibly comment. You don't even have a clue about computers and your in the IT game.. A wona be know it all, and when you get prooved wrong you cry and block people. Very sad man :D

Mods should be able to see who has posted on the poll anyway..... MODS PLEASE VERIFY I HAVE NOT VOTED ON THE POLL

I dont have to make things up, the 2AD engine problem speaks for its self

I have no need to make things up or tell lies, everthing I have posted is the truth. If I dont know anything I have no shame in asking,( so how do you get a mobile site to show on a pc browser? you said you knew, do you?)

Stick that in ya Hoover and smoke it :D

[jedi134]

This poll doesn't really tell us anything and with respect to the OP who took the time to do it, it needs a lot more detail to tell us anything representative.

The engine itself is a very modern design - a twin cam chain driven engine with 16 hydraulic valves and features like block mounted counter balance shafts to reduce vibration. The ancillary devices like computer driven EGR, piezo injectors and DPF all help it sail through the requirements of Euro 5 (in the 90s they predicted that it would be impossible to meet Euro 3 without changing over to LPG and now we are on Euro 5 with regular diesel). To summarise, there is nothing wrong with the design of the engine. It has evolved in the post 2009 models to a so far faultless design with a few modifications and an uprated output of 150bhp that has done away with previous 180 versions.

We are very very close to using LPG

Lets drop the suggestions that the design is flawed. It is as good as any modern engine and in many cases, far more reliable. The RAVs biggest market is the USA. I have little doubt that in 2005/6, the focus of design will have been getting the petrol engined versions into production. However, there would always be a requirement for a diesel engined version mainly for the European market and the designers came up with the afore mentioned 2AD to meet this need. Whether the design had the right amount of field validation we will never know but it was clear that for the first couple of years that running design changes were made to improve oil consumption and various other issues like oil leaks. I think most of these were in production by May 2008 without trawling through my TSBs.

Im pretty sure there are no diesel ravs in the USA as they prefer petrol and the diesel over there is expensive, our fellow Rav4world mod said so

For this reason the poll should be asking the year of the vehicle.

Yes I agree there should be much more detail on the poll

Now moving on to fuels. I've read various things about "British fuels" but I don't think that is in question. Having stripped several EGRs, I can state with confidence that those engines run on supermarket diesel clog up properly when the engine is run on supermarket fuel. Those run only on branded fuel do not UNLESS the engine is consuming oil. Post 2009 models have a completely different design of EGR which I have never had in bits and in any case only consume a small amount of oil if fully synthetic was used (we don't have a great deal of experience to validate that comment so keep an open mind). To summarise - the use of fuel is important especially if the engine uses oil but less so if it does not use much.

New engines. In the early days, the approved fix for oil consumption was to strip it down and add new parts - pistons, rings, gaskets, sealing etc. However, it is a very complicated engine and this process needs a special kind of mechanic that has experience of such tasks and is not for lads with NVQs in mechanical principles. Some of the dealerships will have them and some will not. Even if they do, you need to be lucky if one was allocated to your job. In some cases therefor, engine rebuilds were not successful and had to be done again. In some cases, the rebuild took place before all the current mods were in place so they still might not be right up to date although that might not effect the long term reliability. In recent times, Toyota have moved over to a remanufactured 3/4 engine. This takes away the risk of a dealer pleb and no doubt reduces the labour time and overall costs/risk. This engine comes with most of the latest spec parts and they sound and behave differently. For the most part they use little or no oil but can be excused for using some during the bedding process - I would not be concerned if I bought a brand new 2012 model RAV or any other brand and it did so.

I belive you got rid of 2 Rav 4.3`s would you care to tell us why exactly?

We have had one instance of a new engine that is clearly not right. Charlies engine seems to have started consuming oil following the first oil change. At that stage it was refilled with fully synthetic oil and we are not sure what was added from new. The consumption seems to be going worse with the latest report of 1 litre in 350 miles. It goes in soon to have another engine fitted and we will no doubt get to know how that one differs.

The poll doesn't cater for that level of detail.

Now lets just keep a level head here. Charlie seems to have lost patience with his RAV and whatever the outcome of the next change, even if it is perfect like all the others we know about, it is going. Fair do's that is his perogative. This is somebody that posted that if he couldn't find a rattle on his door panel it would be sold by weekend so we can presume that he isn't the most tollerant of people. I think the same was said of a seat squeak.

There are a number of threads popped up along the lines of "oil doom and gloom", "poor residual values" 2AD this and that". These seem to imply that we are all doomed. We will need a new engine and it will be outside the amazing 7 year warranty period and if we come to sell we will only get peanuts for our condemed demic RAV. This line of posting is getting people down and for the first time since I joined in 2006 there is often tension, bad feeling and little spats of nastyness which has come about by this one case and those nieve enough to jump on the bandwagon. For the most part, owners are perfectly happy and are not mechanically minded enough to put this lot into perspective.

This is one engine out of hundreds that have been fitted.

Have you recieved this new TSB from your Toyota friend yet, regarding what engine oils should be used?, You mentioned this in another post

Would the two people who voted two engines please tell us some more and the one person that voted 2+. Is this Charlie and Mistermena?

It was not me I dont own a 4.3

No disrespect to you Don, you know I admire your knowledge on these vehicles, more so that the dealership or any mechanic in there.

But dont hold back on what you know, I know you know more than your letting on, so why not put the record straight on an open forum.

SHCM has a new 2010 rav........its still consumes 3 liters of oil in 10k miles

Again no disrespect to you,

[anchorman]

I thoght you two had called a truce?

Jedi

I didn't get the bulletin because he was in a meeting. I simply swapped the first 4.3 after 3.5 years for a 2010 model. It used oil and I just kept an eye on it. It had all the other early traits - rattly door mirrors, steering clunks, squeaky seats, notchy gear change, clattery when cold etc. They were all fixed one way or another. If I still had it I would have got a new engine and in fact it has had one now after telling the owner what to do.

I got the second one after a test drive of the post 2009 model along with shcm. We were both impressed and ordered at the same time. My job changed and my need for a car reduced. I thought it would make more sense to trade down and cut my losses in depreciation. However, after owning a Kia Soul for about 9 months I simply wasn't enjoying motoring so I made a very expensive mistake. I dropped on this RAV which has put me back where I was (about £4k worse off - it seems that all brands depreciate, not just RAVs). I am very happy with it and have no plans to change. It has zero defects and if any arise I shall deal with them but for now I am not about to worry about nothing.

[jedi134]

What about SHCM`? is he worried about his oil consumption? Having bought one of the later ravs without the apparent problem?

You will post the TSB once it arrives wont you kind sir.....

and please check with other mods that I have not voted on the poll...........I would have put 5+ engines and 3 drums of oil

[Mistermena]

Would the two people who voted two engines please tell us some more and the one person that voted 2+. Is this Charlie and Mistermena?

I would be VERY happy to be proved wrong on what I am about to say, but I think the person who voted 2+ will not come forward as it was a made up answer by our very own little Forum Troll

It was me that voted on the 2 replacement engines! I polled this because I have a 2AD power unit fitted to my Avensis so thought it was prudent to cast my vote on this subject dispite not owning a RAV...

[CharlieFarlie]

To be honest I don't care how well or modern the design of the engine is if they keep on failing at the alarming rate they are then something is seriously wrong .. Toyota's policy of replacement whilst applaudable indicate that They accept there are faults !!

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Now lets just keep a level head here. Charlie seems to have lost patience with his RAV and whatever the outcome of the next change, even if it is perfect like all the others we know about, it is going. Fair do's that is his perogative. This is somebody that posted that if he couldn't find a rattle on his door panel it would be sold by weekend so we can presume that he isn't the most tollerant of people. I think the same was said of a seat squeak.

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In answer to the above...Yes I have lost patience and interest in the !Removed! car.. It has had issues from day 1 from minor rattles and squeaky interior two more serious things like knocking steering and needing a engine every 8 thousand miles or so...

NONE OF WHICH ARE ACCEPTABLE IN A VERY EXPENSIVE MODERN MOTOR VEHICLE

I can overlook things like a poxy crunching first gear despite it being a modern car

I can overlook the Run Flat tyre situation and the expence expense of getting away from it. Also having to carry luggage on the rear seats so a spare wheel can be carried.

I can overlook the fact that it has had to have an engine changed despite those claiming its a modern well designed engine ????

I can overlook the constantly creaking steering because apparently They all do that Sir !!

I can overlook the fact that I had to source and ship from Plymouth just this week a used drivers seat costing 380 quid to rid the car of the creak that was driving Me barmy...

But combine all of them along with another engine and that the interior of the car sqeeks like buggery as it has since I bought it and despite hours of trying to cure it and perhaps You may start to understand Me getting slightly hacked off......

To be honest Don I am really pi$$ed off with You comments I have quoted above.. If this is an attempt to mask over the issues with these cars by trying to make Me look like some kind of intolerant fool You need to try harder...

I have stuck with the car and all its problems but now have given up..

Toyota legendary build quality and reliability ??? Errrrr Yeh Right ...........................

[Mistermena]

If Don or anyone wants to know more about my 2 engine replacements then they only need to ask as I'm more than happy to answer. But its been very well documented here on the forum...