Dreaded Tyres

[Hodgey16]

Ok here goes. I purchased a used Rav4 yesterday a T180. I researched this car, but must admit it did'nt occur to me to check the tyres out.

Well at some point soon I will need to put 4 x new tyres on. So I went to my local tyre place, who seemed very helpful until he rang someone up to see if they could deliver all 4 tyres. He was then told that he would need specialist equipment, to take old tyres off and replace with the new ones. This equipment he doesn't have.

Can anyone help me with this. I live in Surrey and would like a dealer who knows what they are doing as I was told if the metal rim was damamged it becomes expensive.

Can you not just put ordinary tyres on the wheel? I read somewhere about cutting the rim off, but wouldnt this invalidate the insurance and also would the warning light come on all the time?

Thanks in advance for any help :)

[Big Kev]

Jane (that was ma Mammy's name),

Welcome indeed to yer wee club. You have two choices.....retain the runflats or do away with them....it really is that blooming simple.

If you retain the runflats, you will find them ridiculously expensive, and can only be changed using a "special machine" to do so. The metal ring that these run on has a mysterious habit of suddenly becoming damaged at Toyota dealers, SO THAT WILL BE ANOTHER 110 BRITISH POUNDS, THANK YOU.

This is why I and others have replaced them.

There are copious amounts of postings you can search hereon, but I will send you a Personal Mail with my contact number(s) if you want to discuss the best way forward in my opinion.

Big Kev

[Hodgey16]

Jane (that was ma Mammy's name),

Welcome indeed to yer wee club. You have two choices.....retain the runflats or do away with them....it really is that blooming simple.

If you retain the runflats, you will find them ridiculously expensive, and can only be changed using a "special machine" to do so. The metal ring that these run on has a mysterious habit of suddenly becoming damaged at Toyota dealers, SO THAT WILL BE ANOTHER 110 BRITISH POUNDS, THANK YOU.

This is why I and others have replaced them.

There are copious amounts of postings you can search hereon, but I will send you a Personal Mail with my contact number(s) if you want to discuss the best way forward in my opinion.

Big Kev

Thanks Big Kev....that's my big brothers name lol x

I am going to go to two different places tomorrow...ATS and Guildford Tyres :)

[CharlieFarlie]

See here for how to deal with the TPMS light....

http://www.toyotaown...howtopic=130476

It is definitely a good move to sack the run flat system.. Dealers will charge around 40 quid per corner to remove the tyres. Or they can be removed with aid of an angle grinder ..... You can then fit normal tyres and carry a tyre repair kit. You should inform Your insurance and no extra premium is likely..

Only consideration is that if You try to trade in the car to either a Toyota Dealer or a switched on dealer of other brands The car will be worth less. I know as I have been trying to trade in My car during the last two weeks and its the first question I have been asked..

My car is still on Run flats so no issues but its worth bearing in mind..

Ride quality is massively improved with normal tyres . This I know as I have been running on a spare set of wheels fitted with winter tyres..

The Run flats are a massive NO NO IMO but there could be a financial penalty come trade in time ....

[MarsKy]

aye - when i tested trading in the t180, the first question was on the wheels.

mind you, when i sold privately, the buyer got 4x t180 wheels, 2x t180 spares, and 4x winter wheels. he didn't know what to do with them.

having a full size spare on the disco is a blessed relief. i've done more miles in the first few months in the disco than i did in a year in the t180 simply because the confidence is there to get it sorted if i get a puncture.

[Hoovie]

I wonder if a Toyota Dealer has some kind of restrictions about selling a car 'out of spec' as a Toyota Approved vehicle? and hence the tradein issue?

Personally I would prefer non run-flats without a doubt but may well feign surprise at a T/SR180 without run-flats to try and knock the price down.

[MarsKy]

yes - they want factory spec to be able to put it through approved schemes. they can't guarantee non oem parts. same with bmw's approved scheme, and probably all others.

when i tried to trade in my mazda 6 awd with spanking new alloys, the mazda dealer didn't want them and asked for the old oem ones.

[MarsKy]

just to follow up - it was a question on the land rover forum. the land rover dealers are notoriously poor (In general) and charge £100+ per hour for servicing. the indies however have a great reputation and charge £30-40 per hour, so most go indy with oem parts for servicing and protected warranty.

but come trade-in and getting on an approved scheme, would the dealer accept an indy's service stamp, or would they use it to barter down?

[Hoovie]

IMO, they are bound to bid lower as a Dealer FSH is worth more on resale (would be to me, anyway)

[Guest]

Being in the process of trading my Rav in for a newer one I asked that question, interesting answer from the dealer - as mine had all Mr T service stamps they would take it on as a "Approved Toyota", and sell it themselves, if it had one indie stamp in the book they would sell it on in the trade as they could not sell it as an "Approved Toyota" and it made a significant difference to the trade in value - more than the cost of servicing. I know this because he thought initially I had the servicing done by an indie and priced the trade in value as such until I corrected him.

Not saying that is true throughout the dealerships but certainly at the one I am dealing with.

Gus

[CharlieFarlie]

IMO, they are bound to bid lower as a Dealer FSH is worth more on resale (would be to me, anyway)

Sorry disagree... I have been offered absolutely ridiculous money for My car despite it having full Dealer history from brand new with the exception of the last intermediate oil change.... My car has a heap of receipts showing everything it has ever had done. Original invoice ect ect is here but it makes no difference the prices now being offered for Ravs is stupidly low... Dont believe Me ? Try trading one in ans see ??

I was in a meeting with a Dealer just yesterday and asked for a valuation on My car... When I pointed out it had the Style pack (930 quid) plus roof rails a genuine removable Toyota tow pack (680 quid) mud flaps ect ect ect He pointed out that none of the above added any value at all.. Simple I said I will take it all off and You can have the standard bare car..... Tossers ....

[Stupidmia]

I had my two front bands removed...but never thought about telling my insurance company!! Just renewed my multicar policy too...so would be a charge for making change plus any extra premium!!

The stupidity and greed of Toyota has spoiled the car somewhat

[Hoovie]

IMO, they are bound to bid lower as a Dealer FSH is worth more on resale (would be to me, anyway)

Sorry disagree... I have been offered absolutely ridiculous money for My car despite it having full Dealer history from brand new with the exception of the last intermediate oil change.... My car has a heap of receipts showing everything it has ever had done. Original invoice ect ect is here but it makes no difference the prices now being offered for Ravs is stupidly low... Dont believe Me ? Try trading one in ans see ??

I was in a meeting with a Dealer just yesterday and asked for a valuation on My car... When I pointed out it had the Style pack (930 quid) plus roof rails a genuine removable Toyota tow pack (680 quid) mud flaps ect ect ect He pointed out that none of the above added any value at all.. Simple I said I will take it all off and You can have the standard bare car..... Tossers ....

Maybe it would be even lower without a full Toyota History??

I think Gus summed up the situation as far as Toyota FSH vs. Non-Toyota History = Forecourt Retail vs Sell on in trade.

Sounds like you would be best to sell on privately really? TBH, I think you are very likely to get interest if you stuck an advert on TOC as it sounds like your T180 is now very sorted :)

My Partners boss has just swapped her T180 for a Freelander 2 just today as it happens. I will find out how much she got for it if it is of interest?

[CharlieFarlie]

IMO, they are bound to bid lower as a Dealer FSH is worth more on resale (would be to me, anyway)

Sorry disagree... I have been offered absolutely ridiculous money for My car despite it having full Dealer history from brand new with the exception of the last intermediate oil change.... My car has a heap of receipts showing everything it has ever had done. Original invoice ect ect is here but it makes no difference the prices now being offered for Ravs is stupidly low... Dont believe Me ? Try trading one in ans see ??

I was in a meeting with a Dealer just yesterday and asked for a valuation on My car... When I pointed out it had the Style pack (930 quid) plus roof rails a genuine removable Toyota tow pack (680 quid) mud flaps ect ect ect He pointed out that none of the above added any value at all.. Simple I said I will take it all off and You can have the standard bare car..... Tossers ....

Maybe it would be even lower without a full Toyota History??

I think Gus summed up the situation as far as Toyota FSH vs. Non-Toyota History = Forecourt Retail vs Sell on in trade.

Sounds like you would be best to sell on privately really? TBH, I think you are very likely to get interest if you stuck an advert on TOC as it sounds like your T180 is now very sorted :)

My Partners boss has just swapped her T180 for a Freelander 2 just today as it happens. I will find out how much she got for it if it is of interest?

Mate I was offered 2K below Bottom book for a car with almost every conceivable extra well below average Mileage. The car is in MINT condition and has full history with receipts for every single tiny thing done to it from day 1...

How could it get worse ??

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[MarsKy]

Charlie - bung it on AutoTrader on-line with the cheapest option (does anyone read the paper copy anymore?).

Last March I put my T180 on AutoTrader on-line on a Saturday afternoon, and it sold the following Sunday morning. And I had a queue of others waiting if it fell through.

And mine was quite a bit more - even with your troubles your price is very low, especially as it has a new engine.

[Hoovie]

Well Charlie, anyone who is interested in a T180 would be mad not to look at yours!! beggars belief you are not getting proper interest!

[CharlieFarlie]

Charlie - bung it on AutoTrader on-line with the cheapest option (does anyone read the paper copy anymore?).

Last March I put my T180 on AutoTrader on-line on a Saturday afternoon, and it sold the following Sunday morning. And I had a queue of others waiting if it fell through.

And mine was quite a bit more - even with your troubles your price is very low, especially as it has a new engine.

Yes I likely will Mate thanks. My problem is is that I am up and down the country at the moment so cannot really commit to being here to show the car to a prospective buyer so don't want to wast money advertising..

I dropped the price of the car just this afternoon and added that it had the engine done Yesterday.. I somehow managed to put that the car has done 100 miles since the engine was fitted when it is actually 400.. The car is sat on the drive now though and I wont be using it again as I just don't trust it to be honest .. Its about time that Jag had some use anyway..

The Rav as it stands is faultless.. But I cant wait to get shot of it now and move on....

[CharlieFarlie]

Well Charlie, anyone who is interested in a T180 would be mad not to look at yours!! beggars belief you are not getting proper interest!

Fact is is that Folk are not buying at the moment I think.. That and having no Dealer back up like guarantee or ability to offer finance means most buyers now go to Dealers for their cars.

Genuinely seems to Me that most People just don't want the hassle of buying and selling cars in the private sector and prefer to pay over the top for their cars and take low coin for their old ones..

[BeechCustom]

Charlie - bung it on AutoTrader on-line with the cheapest option (does anyone read the paper copy anymore?).

Last March I put my T180 on AutoTrader on-line on a Saturday afternoon, and it sold the following Sunday morning. And I had a queue of others waiting if it fell through.

And mine was quite a bit more - even with your troubles your price is very low, especially as it has a new engine.

Another vote for Autotrader online here. I put my BMW on at 10pm on Saturday evening and by lunch time the next day it had sold for the asking price.

[redlew]

Well Charlie, anyone who is interested in a T180 would be mad not to look at yours!! beggars belief you are not getting proper interest!

Fact is is that Folk are not buying at the moment I think.. That and having no Dealer back up like guarantee or ability to offer finance means most buyers now go to Dealers for their cars.

Genuinely seems to Me that most People just don't want the hassle of buying and selling cars in the private sector and prefer to pay over the top for their cars and take low coin for their old ones..

Fair point -if i had £12k to spend I'd be worried that the private seller had a log book loan that HPI wouldn't pick up or that they were the registered keeper but not the owner or that there was something wrong with it and I'd have a huge problem in getting my money back. If I pay £14k at a delaer but I keep it for 8 years, I'd count the extra £250 a year as piece of mind

[blue monster]

Back on the topic of tyres, do what I have done & keep your eyes open on flea bay. I have 2 X brand new run flats sat in my garage that I picked up for under £200 that still even have the Bridgestone stickers on them. Also, I carry a spare wheel for piece of mind. That way you dont have to get did of the run flat system.

[CharlieFarlie]

Well Charlie, anyone who is interested in a T180 would be mad not to look at yours!! beggars belief you are not getting proper interest!

Fact is is that Folk are not buying at the moment I think.. That and having no Dealer back up like guarantee or ability to offer finance means most buyers now go to Dealers for their cars.

Genuinely seems to Me that most People just don't want the hassle of buying and selling cars in the private sector and prefer to pay over the top for their cars and take low coin for their old ones..

Fair point -if i had £12k to spend I'd be worried that the private seller had a log book loan that HPI wouldn't pick up or that they were the registered keeper but not the owner or that there was something wrong with it and I'd have a huge problem in getting my money back. If I pay £14k at a delaer but I keep it for 8 years, I'd count the extra £250 a year as piece of mind

If someone has a so called logbook loan on a car They would not have the logbook (V5) ..So without that in place any sane person would not buy the car anyway..

Unless there is a car finance package attached to any car that would be picked up by a regular HPI check no lender would have title to the car.....

People simply do not buy and sell their cars privately any more. Unless We are talking say under a couple of thousand..

Personally I rarely keep a car for more than a year or two so that extra 2K would be more of an issue.. But yes You have a good point

Many don't stop to consider that buying of an enthusiast can land the buyer with far better vehicle . I for instance refused to sell this very car just a few weeks ago because it was a family Man spending what was to Him a huge wedge of money on a car that had to last Him and his family for some time.. I would now sell Him the car now that I know its been fixed with a brand new engine.

Cars owned by enthusiasts are generally excellent prospects and have been cared for so much better than a car that has been treated as just a tool. I spent 380 quid last week on a replacement drivers seat cos the !Removed! thing was irritating the hell out of Me !!

But the fact remains Folk now seem to buy from dealers rather than private individuals.. Just try a search on Autotrader for say a Jag XF and see how many are trade sales and how many are private.. Same for the Ravs... 98 % are being sold by Dealers or Traders ..

[RaverT180]

Hi Guys,

Last time I was on this forum must have been 3 years ago doesn't time fly? Got my T180 in 2006 quite happy until 2007 when a screw thru the tyre Yeah, apart from the fact that the screw went thru the centre of the tread and tyre did not deflate still cost me in the region of £450 and surprise surprise SSR was damaged and had to be replaced. Managed to replace the front ones thru a mate @ Toyota for £200 a pop but he now working for Vauxhall.

Need 2 new rear tyres and the thought of parting with nearly a grand made me think of getting Toyota to disable the TPMS and remove the SSRs then fit standard tyres (Bridgestones) at approx £150 each. Must admit I found your comments on insurance and trade in very interesting. So I may have another thought on this. My thinking was that in the future no ones going to buy a car for say £4 or £5k when its going to cost them £2k to fit 4 nu tryres.

I'm totally disgusted with the condescending way Toyota have treated their loyal customers. We are stuck with paying for Mr T's mistake in going to Bridgestone for this system and no other manufacturer has taken it up from Bridgestone.

It wud have been a Prius sitting on the drive now but instead its a Honda CRZ hybrid and when I dont need the Rav for Towing boat/jet ski I will chop it in probably for a Civic one thing for sure I'll never buy another Toyota!

[bothwell_buyer]

Jane (that was ma Mammy's name),

Welcome indeed to yer wee club. You have two choices.....retain the runflats or do away with them....it really is that blooming simple.

If you retain the runflats, you will find them ridiculously expensive, and can only be changed using a "special machine" to do so. The metal ring that these run on has a mysterious habit of suddenly becoming damaged at Toyota dealers, SO THAT WILL BE ANOTHER 110 BRITISH POUNDS, THANK YOU.

This is why I and others have replaced them.

There are copious amounts of postings you can search hereon, but I will send you a Personal Mail with my contact number(s) if you want to discuss the best way forward in my opinion.

Big Kev

Thanks Big Kev....that's my big brothers name lol x

I am going to go to two different places tomorrow...ATS and Guildford Tyres :)

BIG KEV -

yev jist found yer long lost wee sister !!!!

[CharlieFarlie]

If You are happy with the car then I would go for ditching the runnies and fitting normal tyres. The ride quality is completely different with normal tyres. I explained why on another thread..

I think that trading in will only be a problem at a Toyota Dealer as MOST other brand Dealers don't have a clue....

There is quite a fair bit to understand about the insurance implications which I wont go into here..

Perhaps a Charliefarlie guide to run-flats the changing and options. Effect on ride and handling. ect ect is in order ??

You tell Me ? I will write something up and Don can correct all My usual spelling and grammar.........