They Got Me!

[starletcraig]

pretty sure i got caught fair and square by one of those casualty reduction unit vans! :ffs:

does anyone know when/if my fine and points come thru do i have to notify my insurance?

and roughly the increase in premium?

cheers craig

[Kelvyn]

If you dont hear within 14 days you should be in the clear. My wife got caught about a month ago on a sunday, paperwork arrived the thursday. £60 and 3 points and yes you should inform your insurance, we are still waiting to see if it affects her insurance, although when my son got caught just before christmas it didnt affect his insurance. Maybe they wait till renewal time.

[BenMMellor]

yep - you must receive your NIP within 14 days of the incident. Inform your insurance as soon as yuo receive your licence back - you'll notice they get the yts to endorse it for you with a crayola of his/her choice - not even sticking to a straight line..

If it's your first 3 points the insurance arent too bothered - they just need to know. I've just renewed both my cars insurance in the last 2 months - neither company was too bothered about 3 points.

to quote one of the guys i spoke to - 'Everyone's got 3 points these days - or will soon get them !"

[TheNissanMan]

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the 14 day rule is urban myth, the NIP does not necessarily have to arrive within that time scale for a successful prosecution as with the photo they also have the evidence of the crime...

[tony4]

Try ask them for the photo before you admit your gulty. There is a chance that they will drop it.

[BenMMellor]

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the 14 day rule is urban myth, the NIP does not necessarily have to arrive within that time scale for a successful prosecution as with the photo they also have the evidence of the crime...

hmm been told you should receive your nip within 14 days by several police officers.... once you've signed it and returned it they can take as long as they want.. but you must be informed you have been caught within 14 days of the alleged offence

Notice of Intended Prosecution

When should you get one?

The following offences require (under Section 1 of the Road Traffic Offences Act 1988) that you be given notice of the fact that you may be prosecuted :

a) Dangerous Driving

B) Careless & Inconsiderate driving

c) Leaving a vehicle in a dangerous place

d) Dangerous cycling

e) Careless & Inconsiderate cycling

f) Failing to conform with the indication of a police officer when directing traffic

g) Failing to comply with a traffic sign

h) Exceeding temporary speed restrictions imposed by s 14 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

i) Exceeding speed restrictions on a special road

j) Exceeding temporary speed limit imposed by order

k) Speeding offences generally

What form must the notice take?

It can be:

a) given verbally at the time of the offence, or

B) by a summons being served on the offender within 14 days of commission of the offence, or

c) a notice of intended prosecution, specifying the nature of the offence and the time and place where it is alleged to have been committed, must be served on the offender, or the registered keeper of the vehicle at the time of the offence, within 14 days of the offence.

These provisions are deemed to have been complied with unless or until the contrary has been proved (ie you will have to raise it).

If you have not been given the notice within 14 days (ignoring the day of the offence) then they cannot proceed against you unless an exception applies (see below).

Exceptions & Get Outs

a) No such notice is required if a full or provisional fixed penalty notice has been given or fixed under the Provisions of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988

B) A notice sent by post must be dispatched so that it would reach the driver within the 14 days within the ordinary course of the post. If this is the case then it will have been deemed to have been served even if it is delivered outside the 14 day period.

c) If there is an accident involving the vehicle in question, of which the driver is aware, then the police do not need to provide a Notice of Intended Prosecution.

d) Failure to comply is no bar where the police could not with reasonable diligence have ascertained the name and address of the accused in time for service of the summons or notice within the 14 day period, or the accused contributed to such failure.

e) Service of a notice at the last known address of the accused will suffice for good service.

[Chappers]

Call me dull but........ what the hell is a Casualty Reduction Unit Van?

Are they like the normal vans with coppers in, tripod, laser gun etc?

Or do they have Casualty Reduction Unit written all over it?!....

[monkfish]

I'm with Chappers here. Never heard of a Casualty Reducton Unit.......

[Boro Sera]

"Casualty Reduction Unit"?......now there's a blatant euphemism.

About 6 months ago my local Radio station ran a series of adverts promoting the benefits of Safety Cameras.

They sound good - until you realise that they mean speed cameras.

Casualty reduction unit suggests to me "mobile speed trap/Cashpoint"

Dressing things up in friendly names to make them more likeable. Old trick. Has anyone else noticed that the worst estates in any town all have pretty, picturesque names?

Rich

[Viper_7]

Obviously a Casualty Reducation Vehicle, as just that. A speed Trap appropriatly placed to reduce road casualties, and naturally is not just a revenue maker.

Oh look....a pig flying....

You have to have brass balls these days to ask for the photo evidence...as yes it must be a clear image..and it must not have been modified in anyway. Blowing up the picture to make out the reg plate, is classed as alteration and would not be submissible in court.

Yes...you can chance it..and yes...they do sometimes just drop it. however many places now call your bluff, and will show you it...but only in court. If you win...you save £60 and 3 points...if you lose...you lose the £60 and 3-points...oh..and the court costs.

Vipes

[MrsHasACDX]

If its more than 17 days since you were flashed they are too late to prosecute you, unless you were driving a company car, hire car or someone else's car.

NIP