Where To Buy Castrol - Edge Professional C1 5W30

[CharlieFarlie]

Thinking this will be a very good oil for the T180 and I also need to change the oil on the Jag XF and this oil is recommended by Jaguar.. I will need to buy 3X5 litres to do both cars..

Any discount codes appreciated..

Thanks .

[blackcts]

Castrol Edge 0w30 is the Castrol approved oil (C2 spec for the D-CAT) and you can get 4 litres for £31 from eurocarparts at the minute!!

Personally Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 at £52 for 6 litres - meets C2 and C3 spec is a damn good oil. It's supposed to be Toyota PFE 5w30 anyway

[Mistermena]

The T-180 should have a 0w-30 C2 spec oil. Both the EDGE and Mobil 1 are not a true synth but a cracked hydro-carbon. This is what I use in my motor mate... http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-c2-0w-30-fuel-economy-petrol-and-diesel-engine-oil-100-synthetic.aspx

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m1b14s1410p63459/MOTUL_-_8100_0W30_Eco-Clean_C2_Fully_Synthetic_Engine_Oil_-_Box_of_4_x_5_Litres_

http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/47/original/8100_Eco-clean_0W-30_(GB).pdf?1343648427

Or if you want C1 spec... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-8100-Eco-clean-5W30-ACEA-C1-5L-/221267910152

Only problem with these C1 spec oils is there low TBN (Total Base Number = Anti-wear) number! So they don't protect the engine like a C2/3 oils would.

[oilman]

Hi

Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 ESP are genuine synthetic oils, unless something has changed and we have not been told. Castrol Magnatec and Mobul Super are the hydrocracked oils.

Cheers

Tim

[Mistermena]

Hi

Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 ESP are genuine synthetic oils, unless something has changed and we have not been told. Castrol Magnatec and Mobul Super are the hydrocracked oils.

Cheers

Tim

The word from a lot of other forums is that they are not a "True" synth as its base fluid is dino! They are a synth oil! But not like ester or double ester lubes... Castrol and Mobil both use cheaper base products to make there oils than some of the other big guys...

[oilman]

Hi

American forums by any chance (or perhaps it was a UK forum, but with info based on what someone has seen on a US forum)? As far as I know some of the oils over there differ from the European variants and from what I've been told before, the Edge is a group III oil in the US. To my knowledge there are no 0w oils that are group III based, they are all group IV or a blend of group IV and V.

To be a genuine synthetic, an oil doesn't have to be ester based, PAO (group IV) oils are genuine synthetics.

Basestocks are classified in 5 Groups as follows:

Group I

These are derived from petroleum and are the least refined. These are used in a small amount of automotive oils where the applications are not demanding.

Group II

These are derived from petroleum and are mainly used in mineral automotive oils. Their performance is acceptable with regards to wear, thermal stability and oxidation stability but not so good at lower temperatures.

Group III

These are derived from petroleum but are the most refined of the mineral oil basestocks. They are not chemically engineered like synthetics but offer the highest level of performance of all the petroleum basestocks. They are also known as “hydrocracked” or “molecularly modified” basestocks.

They are usually labelled/marketed as synthetic or semi-synthetic oils and make up a very high percentage of the oils retailed today.

Group IV

These are polyalphaolefins known as PAO and are chemically manufactured rather than being dug out of the ground. These basestocks have excellent stability in both hot and cold temperatures and give superior protection due to their uniform molecules.

Group V

These special basestocks are also chemically engineered but are not PAO.

The main types used in automotive oils are diesters and polyolesters. Like the group IV basestocks they have uniform molecules and give superior performance and protection over petroleum basestocks. These special stocks are used in all aviation engines due to their stability and durability. Esters are also polar (electro statically attracted to metal surfaces) which has great benefits. They are usually blended with Group IV stocks rather than being used exclusively.

Cheers

Tim

[CharlieFarlie]

I do genuinely appreciate the help of you Oil wizards so in a nut Shell and without confusing further an already confused person could you please tell me which oils are the BEST for my two oil burners. If I can I would prefer to use the same oil for both cars as buying 3X5 liter containers will do both cars ans topping up if needed will be easy to remember ..

Car 1 .. My Rav4 T180

Car two the Jaguar XF. 3.0 Diesel with the "S" version of the twin turbo V6 engine....

All this talk of cracked oils and stuff really is way over my head. All I want to do is do the oil changes on both cars with the best oil that meets the requirements or exceeds them..

Thanks !!

[blackcts]

The T-180 should have a 0w-30 C2 spec oil. Both the EDGE and Mobil 1 are not a true synth but a cracked hydro-carbon. This is what I use in my motor mate... http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-c2-0w-30-fuel-economy-petrol-and-diesel-engine-oil-100-synthetic.aspx

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m1b14s1410p63459/MOTUL_-_8100_0W30_Eco-Clean_C2_Fully_Synthetic_Engine_Oil_-_Box_of_4_x_5_Litres_

http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/47/original/8100_Eco-clean_0W-30_(GB).pdf?1343648427

Or if you want C1 spec... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-8100-Eco-clean-5W30-ACEA-C1-5L-/221267910152

Only problem with these C1 spec oils is there low TBN (Total Base Number = Anti-wear) number! So they don't protect the engine like a C2/3 oils would.

Cheers buddy - lexus technical told me by email a few weeks ago to use C2 low ash oil only and recommended 5w30. I have no doubt 0w30 is perfectly fine too!

[Mistermena]

The T-180 should have a 0w-30 C2 spec oil. Both the EDGE and Mobil 1 are not a true synth but a cracked hydro-carbon. This is what I use in my motor mate... http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-c2-0w-30-fuel-economy-petrol-and-diesel-engine-oil-100-synthetic.aspx

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m1b14s1410p63459/MOTUL_-_8100_0W30_Eco-Clean_C2_Fully_Synthetic_Engine_Oil_-_Box_of_4_x_5_Litres_

http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/47/original/8100_Eco-clean_0W-30_(GB).pdf?1343648427

Or if you want C1 spec... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-8100-Eco-clean-5W30-ACEA-C1-5L-/221267910152

Only problem with these C1 spec oils is there low TBN (Total Base Number = Anti-wear) number! So they don't protect the engine like a C2/3 oils would.

Cheers buddy - lexus technical told me by email a few weeks ago to use C2 low ash oil only and recommended 5w30. I have no doubt 0w30 is perfectly fine too!

No probs mate...

I found out that the preferred grade of oil for the T-180 is the 0w-30. That came by way of member Devon Aygo, who I believe works for Toyota.

[CharlieFarlie]

Please fell free to kick me in the goolies for asking an oil question. I'm more confused than before I asked...................

[oilman]

I do genuinely appreciate the help of you Oil wizards so in a nut shell and without confusing further an already confused person could you please tell me which oils are the BEST for my two oil burners. If I can I would prefer to use the same oil for both cars as buying 3X5 liter containers will do both cars ans topping up if needed will be easy to remember ..

Car 1 .. My Rav4 T180

Car two the Jaguar XF. 3.0 Diesel with the "S" version of the twin turbo V6 engine....

All this talk of cracked oils and stuff really is way over my head. All I want to do is do the oil changes on both cars with the best oil that meets the requirements or exceeds them..

Thanks !!

Hi

Either of these is fine for the Jag, it takes a Ford 934B spec oil.

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1300-wss-m2c-934-b.aspx

And any of these are fine for the Rav4

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-791-acea-c2.aspx

All of the oils above are good oils, so go with any brand/price preference that you have.

Cheers

Tim

[Mistermena]

So am I now!!!... So I'll bow out of this thread...

[blackcts]

The T-180 should have a 0w-30 C2 spec oil. Both the EDGE and Mobil 1 are not a true synth but a cracked hydro-carbon. This is what I use in my motor mate... http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-c2-0w-30-fuel-economy-petrol-and-diesel-engine-oil-100-synthetic.aspx

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m1b14s1410p63459/MOTUL_-_8100_0W30_Eco-Clean_C2_Fully_Synthetic_Engine_Oil_-_Box_of_4_x_5_Litres_

http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/47/original/8100_Eco-clean_0W-30_(GB).pdf?1343648427

Or if you want C1 spec... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-8100-Eco-clean-5W30-ACEA-C1-5L-/221267910152

Only problem with these C1 spec oils is there low TBN (Total Base Number = Anti-wear) number! So they don't protect the engine like a C2/3 oils would.

Cheers buddy - lexus technical told me by email a few weeks ago to use C2 low ash oil only and recommended 5w30. I have no doubt 0w30 is perfectly fine too!

No probs mate...

I found out that the preferred grade of oil for the T-180 is the 0w-30. That came by way of member Devon Aygo, who I believe works for Toyota.

Devon Aygo said: Diesel engines with DPF including optimal drive 0w30 or 5w30 meeting C2 low ash specifications" - 5w30 or 0w30 is fine as long as it meets C2 specification.

I emailed lexus technical (which is toyota) and they said to use 5w30 C2 low ash oil.

In that case - use 0w30 or 5w30 C2 grade oil of a good make; Castrol, Mobil, Motul etc and the car will run great on it. 4 litres of 0w30 Castrol Edge (recommended for the 2.2 D-CAT by Castrol) is £31 from euro car parts at the minute (you will need 8 litres, but you will have 2 left over for the next oil change, meaning that you will only need to buy a 4l container next time round)

I'm going to use 6 litres of Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 (meets c2+c3 spec) when the time comes - £52 from euro car parts for 6 litres. If you look at the container for toyota premium genuine motor oil 5w30 C2 spec the container is identical! So its extremely likely to be the same thing as genuine oil!

[CharlieFarlie]

The T-180 should have a 0w-30 C2 spec oil. Both the EDGE and Mobil 1 are not a true synth but a cracked hydro-carbon. This is what I use in my motor mate... http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-c2-0w-30-fuel-economy-petrol-and-diesel-engine-oil-100-synthetic.aspx

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m1b14s1410p63459/MOTUL_-_8100_0W30_Eco-Clean_C2_Fully_Synthetic_Engine_Oil_-_Box_of_4_x_5_Litres_

http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/47/original/8100_Eco-clean_0W-30_(GB).pdf?1343648427

Or if you want C1 spec... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-8100-Eco-clean-5W30-ACEA-C1-5L-/221267910152

Only problem with these C1 spec oils is there low TBN (Total Base Number = Anti-wear) number! So they don't protect the engine like a C2/3 oils would.

Cheers buddy - lexus technical told me by email a few weeks ago to use C2 low ash oil only and recommended 5w30. I have no doubt 0w30 is perfectly fine too!

No probs mate...

I found out that the preferred grade of oil for the T-180 is the 0w-30. That came by way of member Devon Aygo, who I believe works for Toyota.

Devon Aygo said: Diesel engines with DPF including optimal drive 0w30 or 5w30 meeting C2 low ash specifications" - 5w30 or 0w30 is fine as long as it meets C2 specification.

I emailed lexus technical (which is toyota) and they said to use 5w30 C2 low ash oil.

In that case - use 0w30 or 5w30 C2 grade oil of a good make; Castrol, Mobil, Motul etc and the car will run great on it. 4 litres of 0w30 Castrol Edge (recommended for the 2.2 D-CAT by Castrol) is £31 from euro car parts at the minute (you will need 8 litres, but you will have 2 left over for the next oil change, meaning that you will only need to buy a 4l container next time round)

I'm going to use 6 litres of Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 (meets c2+c3 spec) when the time comes - £52 from euro car parts for 6 litres. If you look at the container for toyota premium genuine motor oil 5w30 C2 spec the container is identical! So its extremely likely to be the same thing as genuine oil!

Perhaps I had not made myself clear .. What I was after if possible was an oil that would suit both cars.. Both cars take approx 6 litres so if I bought 3X5 litres of the same oil I could o both cars with the 3X5 litres and not then need to buy 4X5 litres 2 of which for one car and two for the other..

It seems the requirements of the Jag are more stringent than for the Toyota but so long as the oil suits both cars without compromise on either that would be ace.. Though it seems that may not be possible.

Honest lads this oil thing is something that confuses me beyond belief.. I recently was gifted 2X5 litr containers of Morrises multivis 5W30 semi synthetic oil which I then put into the Rav only to be told it does not have this low ash thing.. That oil has been in for just 1000 miles but I am keen to get the best oil into the car ASAP... The multivis meets Ford WSS-M2C913-B which seems to be some sort of benchmark ...

Wass up Timuffy ??????????????????????????????

[oilman]

I had a look earlier and couldn't find anything that would cover both cars, so you'll need a different oil for each car. It may cost a little more to have different oils, but it costs a whole lot more for a blocked DPF.

The Ford 913B spec that you mention the Morris oil meets is a fairly standard Ford spec that suits most of their cars since about the late 90s. It's quite different to the 934B spec that the Jag needs.

Cheers

Tim

[blackcts]

Tim what's the difference from the likes of Mobil 1 ESP and Comma Fully synthetic C2 oil?

Cheers

[Mistermena]

The T-180 should have a 0w-30 C2 spec oil. Both the EDGE and Mobil 1 are not a true synth but a cracked hydro-carbon. This is what I use in my motor mate... http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-c2-0w-30-fuel-economy-petrol-and-diesel-engine-oil-100-synthetic.aspx

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m1b14s1410p63459/MOTUL_-_8100_0W30_Eco-Clean_C2_Fully_Synthetic_Engine_Oil_-_Box_of_4_x_5_Litres_

http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/47/original/8100_Eco-clean_0W-30_(GB).pdf?1343648427

Or if you want C1 spec... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motul-8100-Eco-clean-5W30-ACEA-C1-5L-/221267910152

Only problem with these C1 spec oils is there low TBN (Total Base Number = Anti-wear) number! So they don't protect the engine like a C2/3 oils would.

Cheers buddy - lexus technical told me by email a few weeks ago to use C2 low ash oil only and recommended 5w30. I have no doubt 0w30 is perfectly fine too!

No probs mate...

I found out that the preferred grade of oil for the T-180 is the 0w-30. That came by way of member Devon Aygo, who I believe works for Toyota.

Devon Aygo said: Diesel engines with DPF including optimal drive 0w30 or 5w30 meeting C2 low ash specifications" - 5w30 or 0w30 is fine as long as it meets C2 specification.

I emailed lexus technical (which is toyota) and they said to use 5w30 C2 low ash oil.

In that case - use 0w30 or 5w30 C2 grade oil of a good make; Castrol, Mobil, Motul etc and the car will run great on it. 4 litres of 0w30 Castrol Edge (recommended for the 2.2 D-CAT by Castrol) is £31 from euro car parts at the minute (you will need 8 litres, but you will have 2 left over for the next oil change, meaning that you will only need to buy a 4l container next time round)

I'm going to use 6 litres of Mobil 1 ESP 5w30 (meets c2+c3 spec) when the time comes - £52 from euro car parts for 6 litres. If you look at the container for toyota premium genuine motor oil 5w30 C2 spec the container is identical! So its extremely likely to be the same thing as genuine oil!

Perhaps I had not made myself clear .. What I was after if possible was an oil that would suit both cars.. Both cars take approx 6 litres so if I bought 3X5 litres of the same oil I could o both cars with the 3X5 litres and not then need to buy 4X5 litres 2 of which for one car and two for the other..

It seems the requirements of the Jag are more stringent than for the Toyota but so long as the oil suits both cars without compromise on either that would be ace.. Though it seems that may not be possible.

Honest lads this oil thing is something that confuses me beyond belief.. I recently was gifted 2X5 litr containers of Morrises multivis 5W30 semi synthetic oil which I then put into the Rav only to be told it does not have this low ash thing.. That oil has been in for just 1000 miles but I am keen to get the best oil into the car ASAP... The multivis meets Ford WSS-M2C913-B which seems to be some sort of benchmark ...

Wass up Timuffy ??????????????????????????????

Nowt wrong my mate... Spending a lot of time on the Chrysler forum atm with these VM Motori diesel boat engines that they have in the Grand Voyager. Have to say that these engines are a lot less fussy about the oils than Toyota I'm happy to say...

[Mistermena]

Tim what's the difference from the likes of Mobil 1 ESP and Comma Fully synthetic C2 oil?

Cheers

Even though I said I'd bow out of this thread!!!... Anyway

Take a look at the data sheets on both oils and carefully compare them... I would pay most attention to Viscosity Index (VI) Total Base Number (TBN) and flash and pour points... The higher the number the better! Except for the pour point which should be as low as possible...

http://www.uk.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/168/PTC5L

http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/carengineoils_products_mobil-1-esp-formula-5w30.aspx

[Mistermena]

http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/carengineoils_products_mobil-1-esp-formula-5w30.aspx

[anchorman]

Charlie

I have always used that Morris's oil in both 136 and T180 engines. I must admit that lately my opinion has been changed by the risk of damage to EGR or DNPR in the 180 engines. However, I do know that when Guy bought oil for his T180, he was sold Toyota FE oil which is semi synthetic 5W/30 - the same as the Morris's. I would now by choice use a C2 oil of 5W/30 grade but wouldn't worry about yours as you have the later engine installed and know not to use poor fuel.

The new SRs use "posh" 0W30 Fully Synthetic ESP oil but it is hellish expensive so I will be changing it at 12 months rather than my probably over the top twice a year!

All this jargon confuses me but I think you can ignore most of it.

[CharlieFarlie]

Cheers Don that clears things up a wee but for me.. I was given the morrises and put it in thinking it would be fine.. I always do an interim oil change between the regular scheduled services as it was something that was drilled into me by my Dad who ran a fleet of taxis many years ago... With your comments in mind I will run the car for another few thousand and change it for the low ash stuff then.. If of course I haven't found the replacement for it of course....

[blackcts]

My lexus/Toyota dealer sold me 5w30 FE which they argued was correct but when I spied the head lexus mechanic I asked him and he said that low ash oil only was to be used in the 2.2 diesels! This guy is the dealers head mechanic (30 years Toyota experience) and replaced the engine in my IS220d and going by what lexus technical said he was correct!

[crustyclam]

Tim what's the difference from the likes of Mobil 1 ESP and Comma Fully synthetic C2 oil?

Cheers

Even though I said I'd bow out of this thread!!!... Anyway

Take a look at the data sheets on both oils and carefully compare them... I would pay most attention to Viscosity Index (VI) Total Base Number (TBN) and flash and pour points... The higher the number the better! Except for the pour point which should be as low as possible...

http://www.uk.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/168/PTC5L

http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/carengineoils_products_mobil-1-esp-formula-5w30.aspx

Maybe instead of bowing out you should have said " oil be back"

[blackcts]

Wtf, so if anything the comma appears to be fairing better than the Mobil 1?

[Big Kev]

Tim what's the difference from the likes of Mobil 1 ESP and Comma Fully synthetic C2 oil?

Cheers

Even though I said I'd bow out of this thread!!!... Anyway

Take a look at the data sheets on both oils and carefully compare them... I would pay most attention to Viscosity Index (VI) Total Base Number (TBN) and flash and pour points... The higher the number the better! Except for the pour point which should be as low as possible...

http://www.uk.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/168/PTC5L

http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LCW/carengineoils_products_mobil-1-esp-formula-5w30.aspx

Maybe instead of bowing out you should have said " oil be back"

You've been reading too many of ma posts, Lee......have a wee lie doon min........