2.2 D4D Replacement Engine. A Word Of Warning.

[Wezzylad]

I am the owner of a 2008 2.2 D4D Tourer with 87k on the clock. The car has a comprehensive documented full main dealer service history from new at the specified date / mileage. In July 2011 at 47k the car was fitted with a brand new replacement engine to rectify the well known overheating / cylinder head gasket problem associated with this engine. The car recently started to overheat and after checking out at my local Toyota dealership was diagnosed with a suspected blown cylinder head gasket. Now here's the rub. I was expected to pay £840 + vat for the top of the engine to be stripped down to confirm the extent of the damage. When i queried this and quoted the 7 year / 100k extended warranty that Toyota had provided for this known engine fault i was informed that this did not apply to the replacement engine as this new engine had been modified to eliminate the known problem so it was only covered by a 12 month warranty. When i explained that the replacement engine had only covered 40k in two and a half years, (less then the original,) did this not indicate there was still a problem ? After several phone calls to Warranty Depts, Technical Depts and Toyota UK HQ the answer came back that the engine was not covered by any warranty and due to the age of the vehicle no goodwill gesture would be forthcoming. Having spoken to several independant motor engineers they, along with myself, find it incredulous that a modern, technically advanced and allegedly modified engine can suffer a major component failure after 40k miles and for the manufacturer not to accept any liability. This means that in 6 years and 87k miles the car will potentially have had 3 different engines.

So, in a nutshell, is it acceptable for a modern, technically advanced engine to suffer a major component failure after two and half years and 40k miles ? Comments please.

[Kim10]

Yes, not surprised. I bought a Corrolla Verso 2.2 D4D with 35k miles and - as I find out later - a reconditioned engine. The service from Toyota is less than expected. I had a problem with the rear driver side door sensor. I phoned Toyota and they asked me if I had children, which I confirmed since it was a 7 seater car. I was informed that kids often trap the seatbelt buckle in the door when closing it, this bends the panel resulting in the sensor giving false results.

Strikes me as a known fault. My question to Toyota is: Who without children buys a Verso 7 seater car?

The recommended solution was either a panel beater which they could not provide or a sticky felt pad applied to the door which would depress the sensor fully when door closed. Now I can sleep an entire night without the car alarm going off, but I am now driving a Toyota which is held together with an Ikea sticky felt pad.

Anyway the reason why I ended up on this site was that I checked all my websites where I have a profile against vulnerability against the Heartbleed bug and this site comes up as "Something is wrong here". I would not recommend keeping any personal data on here.

Back on the web looking for an Audi.

[FROSTYBALLS]

"My question to Toyota is: Who without children buys a Verso 7 seater car?"

Having children isn't a prerogative to owning an MPV. We had a Mazda Premacy from new, which we bought for the luggage accommodation - my partner has to transport therapy couches as part of her business, and the Premacy provided enough boot space in terms of length, width and height, to accommodate the cased couches standing upright without impairing rear visibility too much. It was also ideal for our holidays. When we replaced the Premacy, we were going to buy a Verso (7 seater) from our local dealer (test drove, agreed prices and part exchange), but got a better deal elsewhere.

As regards the rear seat belt buckle, we've had a number of cars from new from a variety of manufacturers (Nissan, Honda, Mazda, Toyota, Hyundai) where trapping the buckle in the door opening was quite easy unless one took care to ensure the buckle was either plugged into its storage socket, or was out of the way before the door was shut.

As regards testing for Heart bleed, the response comes back 'connection refused' and: "Check what it means at FAQ. It might mean that the server is safe, we just can't be 100% sure !"

[+Steve]

Heartbleed bug really only affects SSL based connections. TOC doesn't use SSL on the forums so there will be no issue with accounts being compromised., plus there is no back end to the server that uses SSL either as we don't have one ;)

I think only the big sites you need to worry about.

[julfi]

Hi !

sorry for posting on old thread but stil.. i would like to get a Corolla Verso but i have some doubt. I can get a

-2005 with 2.0 engine
-2008 with 2.2 and replaced engine
-2009  with original 2.2 engine

Are replaced engines of 2.2 left without those common isues and it is a safe buy ? Is 2009 Corolla versos still afected by those problems ? 
is it after all safer to get a bit older one with 2.0 engine or even 1.6-1.8 gas engine ?

 

Best regards

[FROSTYBALLS]

The head gasket/oil consumption issue is thought to affect a relatively small percentage of engines. From the following - 

 - the affected engine range in the Verso were those built between April 2005 to November 2008. As regards the extended cover Toyota put into place for the AD engine issues, this was goodwill on a case by case basis. Once a vehicle had had the a replacement engine, the issue would have been addressed rather than being an ongoing problem, hence replaced engines being covered by a separate 12 month warranty.

In the Corolla Verso the 2.0 D4D supposedly isn't affected by the specific issue. A vehicle that has had the engine replaced under Toyota's goodwill scheme would have the modified components fitted to address the specific issue. As regards a 2009 vehicle, it depends when the car was built, not first registered, as to whether it is in the affected range of engines. Petrol engines can suffer from oil consumption issues after approx 40,000 miles - some do, some don't.

At the end of the day, any engine can suffer head gasket issues, and the fact that some of the replacement engines went onto fail, doesn't mean that the failure was due to the original problem.

[julfi]

It means that on replace engines are not the same components so the same problem can occure somewhen later ?

[FROSTYBALLS]

Replacement engines included modifications to counter the original problem of high oil consumption and head gasket failure.