Type 1 To Type 2 Charging Cable

[JHRC]

Hi All, I have just purchased a type 1 to type 2 charging cable from eBay today buy it now price £175 free p&p. Also make an offer, I offered £160 and was accepted, there are still 2 left, if you thing this is a good price you may even get it cheaper.

eBay No 251593767686 Titled Type 2 (Menekkles) to Type 1.

As PIP owners will know that most charging points around the country and motorway service stations are installing type 2 charger.

Charging stations can be found on this comprehensive map structure, https://www.zap-map.com.

I found it difficult to charge my PIP when I had a weekend in Stratford last month and found a council charging point and couldn't use it due to it being type 2 cable required, also travelled to doncaster 2 weeks ago and the same could not charge because of the cable type required.

Regards,

Jim

[IanIanIanIan]

I have not bought such a cable as I have calculated that I would need to drive around 8,000 miles on EV just to cover the original cost, let alone make it worthwhile spending the time waiting to charge whilst on a journey, some 900 hours.

It just does not seem economical with the slow charging rate of the PiP, OK overnight but that is all.

[JHRC]

Hi IanIanIanIan.

I take you point, but buying a PIP is also not economical, it only takes 1.5 hours to charge a PIP and if you don't have a cable you can,t charge away from home.

The PIP is my wifes car most of the time she only go to work and back 12 miles journey and then charges the car, but some times she would travel to Glasgow and one of the shopping centre that she go to has free charging but can't use it due to no cable, plus she don't know how to use in the first place.

I stated that I went Stratford last month the reason for this was to road test the new Audi A3 e-tron aslo a plug-in and was very impressed with, but just dearer than the PIP but not that dearer has its advantage and disadvantages. I think my RAV-4 could going when the Audi is available next year. Another car which is not ecnomical compared to the diesel models.

[IanIanIanIan]

Just go to Glasgow and back without charging there, the PiP then works as a hybrid. As a hybrid I get about 71 MPG.

Yes, you can"t take advantage of the free (for now) charge but it is only worth about £0.20p to you plus an hour and a half of time plus, if you are travelling, usually a couple of quid of coffee and cakes.

Not the best for the environment but few people buy a PiP for that, usually to save money.

At the rate above she will have to make over 800 trips just to break even , about fifteen years if she goes weekly.

[johalareewi]

Yes, you can"t take advantage of the free (for now) charge but it is only worth about £0.20p to you plus an hour and a half of time plus, if you are travelling, usually a couple of quid of coffee and cakes.

That seems a bit slow. My friend's leaf can get a good 25-30% charge in 20 mins at a 'free' charging station. When using a proper charging station, does the PIP still charge at 7kW?

[IanIanIanIan]

The PiP at 230V charges at around 10A or 2.3kW maximum. US style 110V halves the current, doubles the time.

It does nor matter what current the supply post can supply, the on-board car charger limits the charge rate.

The PiP Battery is 4.4kWh and only uses part of that, around 3.8kWh.

The PiP is a hybrid with a big Battery not an EV.

[MEP's Yaris GS]

Yes, you can"t take advantage of the free (for now) charge but it is only worth about £0.20p to you plus an hour and a half of time plus, if you are travelling, usually a couple of quid of coffee and cakes.

That seems a bit slow. My friend's leaf can get a good 25-30% charge in 20 mins at a 'free' charging station. When using a proper charging station, does the PIP still charge at 7kW?

At what cost to the Battery though, fast chargers are not for regular use due to premature wear it places on the Battery.

[JHRC]

The PIP can only take a maximum of 16amp charge, so you can't over fast charge your Battery whichever charger or cable you use.

[IanIanIanIan]

At what cost to the Battery though, fast chargers are not for regular use due to premature wear it places on the Battery.

With lead acid perhaps but don't forget hybrids are sloshing hundreds of amps in and out of the Battery as it is driven. All perfectly normal and what the battery and the BMS are designed for.

[johalareewi]

It does nor matter what current the supply post can supply, the on-board car charger limits the charge rate.

I thought I had read that somewhere.

The PiP is a hybrid with a big battery not an EV.

I must admit, I hadn't considered that.

[barrycoll]

previous posts have suggested that this large EV Battery is not topped up again from brake applications or engine over-run, so it can't really be a hybrid............or can it???

[RobMagpie]

The EV Battery IS topped up again from brake applications and the ICE. It is definitely a hybrid.

[MEP's Yaris GS]

As above, it is recharged, all be it not very much if you're like me and live in the land of the flat with very few hills etc.

However I disagree in saying its not an EV - the fact that I can go out and return home without using the ICE and charge it from a wall makes it an EV & Hybrid.

If anything its an EV Hybrid Hybrid.

[barrycoll]

when you say that it doesn't regen "very much", does that mean that it is a lot less than the normal HV regen, which can be quite quick....

if it doesn't, then why doesn't it??????????????....I am wondering how they get 134 mpg in their data base

Toyota seemingly, are actively trying not to sell the PIP

[tyrosmick]

Toyota seemingly, are actively trying not to sell the PIP

I think you could well be right! Over recent weeks I have visited five different dealerships asking about the puchasing of a new PiP. On every occasion I was advised that I would be far better off buying an Auris Touring Sports Hybrid instead! Such insight! Never asked any questions of me or my circumstances, just a straight forward response "you don't want one of those, get one of these". A little strange to say the least!

[MEP's Yaris GS]

It regens the same as a normal hybrid (I assume, although I've never owned a hybrid before my PIP), its just that unless you've some monstrous hills to go down (which I don't living in East Anglia) then it's not going to massively improve/extend your EV range.

I'm also sure that with only 700 miles under my belt in the PIP I've still a lot of learning on how to best drive it for hyper-mileage economy etc.

[IanIanIanIan]

It is possible by 'rowing' along a PiP to get a goodish recharge, but I find it too much work.

You need to have some indication of range showing in the EV 'partition' of the traction Battery, if you have used it all up it won't work.

Go up hills and accelerate in HV and go down hills and decelerate in EV. You slowly, tenth by tenth of a mile recharge.

You are, of course, using fuel to generate the charge, much more expensive than plugging in. I do it if I have miscalculated as I like to have a small charge left when I arrive home if I have some manoeuvring to do instead of straight into the garage for a charge so that the engine won't start. Unlike the gen2 there is no EV button to let you use the last dregs in the HV 'partition' of the Battery.

[tyrosmick]

Ian,

Could you please clarify what you mean by "engine won't start".

Thanks

[IanIanIanIan]

Normally on starting the PiP goes straight into EV but if the EV part of the traction Battery is empty when the car is put into ready the car goes straight to HV mode, after a few seconds, if the engine is cold, which it usually is after it has been parked for a while, the engine starts just like the standard hybrid. This seems wasteful if I have only got to move the car a few yards then shut off for the night.

On my gen2 there was a button which would hold the car in EV until the traction Battery was empty and allow me to put the car away in the garage which takes 30 seconds to a minute. There is no similar button on the PiP.

You can switch back ad forth between EV and HV if there is a charge in the EV 'partition' and range showing on the guessometer but you are stuck in HV if not, even if there is power showing on the HV 'partition'. You just can't access it unfortunately.

[tyrosmick]

Normally on starting the PiP goes straight into EV but if the EV part of the traction battery is empty when the car is put into ready the car goes straight to HV mode, after a few seconds, if the engine is cold, which it usually is after it has been parked for a while, the engine starts just like the standard hybrid. This seems wasteful if I have only got to move the car a few yards then shut off for the night.

On my gen2 there was a button which would hold the car in EV until the traction battery was empty and allow me to put the car away in the garage which takes 30 seconds to a minute. There is no similar button on the PiP.

You can switch back ad forth between EV and HV if there is a charge in the EV 'partition' and range showing on the guessometer but you are stuck in HV if not, even if there is power showing on the HV 'partition'. You just can't access it unfortunately.

Thank you,

[Sagitar]

As above, it is recharged, all be it not very much if you're like me and live in the land of the flat with very few hills etc.

However I disagree in saying its not an EV - the fact that I can go out and return home without using the ICE and charge it from a wall makes it an EV & Hybrid.

If anything its an EV Hybrid Hybrid.

Doesn't exactly the same argument apply to a non-PiP, but for a shorter mileage?

[MEP's Yaris GS]

As above, it is recharged, all be it not very much if you're like me and live in the land of the flat with very few hills etc.

However I disagree in saying its not an EV - the fact that I can go out and return home without using the ICE and charge it from a wall makes it an EV & Hybrid.

If anything its an EV Hybrid Hybrid.

Doesn't exactly the same argument apply to a non-PiP, but for a shorter mileage?

No in my opinion, as on a none plug in its energy is created from the vehicle burning fuel, and it either directly charging the Battery or regenerating it through breaking.

PIP you plug in, so is a true dual fuel IMO, either petrol or from the plug.

PIP you can use without any petrol, None PIP you can't.

[IanIanIanIan]

The problem in calling a PiP an EV is that you cannot lock it into EV. An injudicious blip on the accelerator and the ICE starts, even in 'city' mode.

All EVs, even the Ampera, stay in EV whatever you do until you run out of Battery power whereupon you stop or a range extender engine cuts in.

[MEP's Yaris GS]

The problem in calling a PiP an EV is that you cannot lock it into EV. An injudicious blip on the accelerator and the ICE starts, even in 'city' mode.

All EVs, even the Ampera, stay in EV whatever you do until you run out of battery power whereupon you stop or a range extender engine cuts in.

I suppose on this basis you do have a point about it not being a true EV, but you've really got to give it some in City EV for the ICE to kick in.

[Astolat]

Yes, you can"t take advantage of the free (for now) charge but it is only worth about £0.20p to you plus an hour and a half of time plus, if you are travelling, usually a couple of quid of coffee and cakes...

At the rate above she will have to make over 800 trips just to break even , about fifteen years if she goes weekly.

Sorry, going back a bit, but I don't think this is quite the right comparison. If you charge while out, assuming you use the charge before getting home, what you have saved is the fuel you would have otherwise used. At 70mpg hybrid, an ideal 15 mile charge would save a litre. In reality on average it is probably less, but say £1 saved for every charge. The lead then pays for itself in 175 trips, or 1500 - 2000 miles.