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Toyota Corolla Solair..... Interference Fit Engine?


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so i had my timing belt go pop on me as i stopped in my works car park. Hopeing that the slow speed when it went did not cause to much damage i have planned to try and fix it and get my lil baby running again.

I have been informed that a non-interference fit engine would provide me with the best hope and so far i have not found a lot of helpful information.

http://yourcarangel.com/2014/07/interference-engines-complete-list/

dose state however the following.

Toyota

• 1.5L (1A-C, 3A-C & 3E) Interference
1.5L (3E-E & 5E-FE) Non-Interference
• 1.6L DOHC (4A-F & 4A-FE) Interference
• 1.6L DOHC (4A-GE & 4A-GZE) Non-Interference

Dose my 4E-FE fall between the bold section and thus give me hope or am i more likely to fall in the next group (4A-FE)

I would apreciate some knowlege on this as plans will change depending on how bad it is.

A: Non-Interference pop a new belt and pullys on and start her up.....
B:
Interference probably the above but replace the head, gasket's etc aswell.

Posted

Learnt something new there - did not know there was such classes , generally , it seems with Toyotas if its a belt they are Non, if a chain then interference.

Found this site which seems very clear yours in Non , plus it details the belt replacement.

Assume the US engine versions are the same as the UK engines ..?

http://www.tunemytoyota.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3783

Edit - forgot to say, have you checked why the belt snapped ?

You haven't dropped a valve of something like that to cause the belt to fail ?

Think you need to inspect the valve gear and see if the crankshaft and pistons turn freely by hand (spark plugs out) before doing anything else.

Posted

hello, thank you for the reply, im checking your link now, and i did supply a link i found that detailed some non intafear and some intafear.. mine was not clear if it was on the list at all.

I have only really taken a quick look at it and it appears the belt is intact just cam free from the fittings, i asume the tensioner was loose and as the revs dropped as i came to stop in the carpark, the belt was no longer being held taught by the engine load and jumped/slipped off.

could be wrong and it could have snapped further down but i wont know till i get time to take it to pieces really, Just wanted to know what i am going to do next, so atleast it seems like just a belt and maybe some of the parts on that asembaly. Will look into it furter tomorrow. thank you so far though.

Posted

Remember you will need to sort your timing out! Wounds like if the belt has jumped you will have lost the correct relative position of the cams and crank, so it will need to be re-timed.

Posted

yes thank you, i did assume i would need to look at the timeing any way, even if it had not moved out of sync. On closer inspection (Removeing the top cover fully) the belt has snapped. and im not to sure how to remove the belt on the powered steering pump, so that i can get the pully off from the bottom, to get to the bottom cover. I am assuming some kind of belt tensioner but i am not sure what i am looking for.

the link provided before has a lovely section in regards to this, it just states "remove the belt," nothing on how.


Posted

im not to sure how to remove the belt on the powered steering pump, so that i can get the pully off from the bottom, to get to the bottom cover. I am assuming some kind of belt tensioner but i am not sure what i am looking for.

the link provided before has a lovely section in regards to this, it just states "remove the belt," nothing on how.

Is it not a case of loosening the bolts as shown in section 3 page em24 of that link ? looks easy enough ..

Are you going to renew the 2 cambelt pulleys along with the belt ? At 20 years old it might be worthwhile.

Usually you can buy just the belt or often Toyota do a Cambelt kit containing the pulleys etc check with your local dealer or mail Kingo .

( Kingo is a Toyota dealer who will post parts to you at agood price, just search the form for him)

Posted

i cant see where the two bolts are on the picture of the powere steering pump to really have a guess.... im expecting the belt only on wednesday, i can only really see the cam shaft pulley and one of the guide pulleys, both look to be ok.

As i need the car up and running for work as soon as possible, its a bit of a stress and i want it to be sorted out quickly, i wa snot able to find the cam shaft pulley or crank shaft pulley when i ordered the parts saturday... i could look again on other places but would like some where with quick delivery.

Posted

i cant see where the two bolts are on the picture of the powere steering pump to really have a guess.... i

Have no experience of your model, can only go on those pictures from that link.

The pump should be held on by two points, one a fixed 'hinge' bolt and the other bolt via an adjustment slot.

A photo of your belt area would be useful.

im expecting the belt only on wednesday, i can only really see the cam

shaft pulley and one of the guide pulleys, both look to be ok.

Its it a Toyota ordered belt, beware cheapies, they can be false economy.

The pulleys I was refering to are the Idler 1 and Idler 2 ones and the spring that are responsible for keepng the tension on the belt.

Visually they may look ok, is their internal bearings that matter.

Its unlikely you would get them from anywhere other than Toyota, either on their own or as part of a cam belt change kit; if they do one for your car.

As i need the car up and running for work as soon as possible, its a bit of a stress and i want it to be sorted out quickly,

Replacing the belt can be a tricky job and you need to get things alined and tensioned up properly or you end up with real problems and having to strip things down again if you do not get it done right first time.

As that link shows you also need a good selection of tools , including a torque wrench and special tools to hold and pull off the crankshaft pulley etc.

Over the years I have replaced many belts on my old cars like the Avensis and Cavalier etc so am talking from practical experince.

So, without being funny, if you are having problems finding the bolts for the PS pump then I would seriously suggest you get a garage to do the job for you. I think it would be the most cost effective way for you.

Posted

With all due respect i am learning all the time and as i go, i will not be one of those who just takes it in to the garage and pays a man to change a bulb. i believe that if you are of sound mind enough to drive you should be able to consider basic maintenance.

The issue with the pump is that i am not able to see where i could loose it to get the belt off, the diagram proved to be lacking in detail for my eyes and im not able to clearly see where the bolts are to then marry up that in my mind with my cars pump.... If you are following me still, it is not due to a lack of skill or knowledge, im just used to Photo's and not drawings as a guide.

Im not to sure how to upload a photo to this fourm, but i took some today.

I have ordered Genuine Toyota parts, yes its a bit more expensive bit id like to see my car go another 130k miles / 20 years and still be as fun to drive/own. "after a Peugeot 306 S16 2.0L its a dream to own"

And to put your minds at rest i have a friend with years of experiance and used to be a mechanic, who will help me out with things, so i am learning from a good source, i was here for information gathering and advice, thank you.

Posted

A belt from Toyota was a good choice.

i believe that if you are of sound mind enough to drive you should be able to consider basic maintenance.

I agree completely, my view is that if you want to do something like that, then you can.

However changing a timing belt is not a beginners job because if its complexity and extra tools often needed.

Found when changing my timing belts it was a 3 to 4 hour job.

Similarly a garage will also charge a high price as even for them its not a 5 minute job.

i have a friend with years of experiance and used to be a mechanic, whowill help me out with things, so i am learning from a good source, i was
here for information gathering and advice

I gave the advice based on what you said, and still hold the view that its a far too advanced job for a beginner, though as you now mention, if you have an expereinced mechanic then yes he will be able to guide you and hopefully have the tools needed like the crankshaft pulley nut remover/locker and the pulley extractor etc

good luck

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