Beware the new BMW engine

[Coco22]

Also, the car is driven on the motorway most days so DPF filter should be ok? 

[FROSTYBALLS]

The car is outside the new car warranty, so presumably doesn't need the work to be done by a Toyota dealer. Can your reliable mechanic or a diesel specialist not replace the sensor, etc which may prove cheaper?

[Aupack]

On 8/4/2022 at 2:28 AM, Coco22 said:

Hello, just wondering if anyone can offeradvice please. I have a 2016 Toyota Avensis 1.6 diesel Luna car. There's approximately 115,000kms on the clock. Unfortunately, there's a BMW engine in it. I had the EGR cooler replaced, due to recall recently. Shortly after this, 4 amber lights appear on the dashboard (not sure if it's related or not). Have asked the question to Toyota Ireland but getting nowhere. Had a diagnostic done by Toyota and apparently the lights are due to turbo sensor fault which can be replaced, however, 'if the bolt breaks' while doing this job, then a manifold will need to be replaced...and also DPF filter would need to be checked. If there's an issue with that, when all is done I'm being quoted 2700euro!! I've been advised anecdotally the problems won't stop there. Car is well serviced by a reliable mechanic (not by Toyota albeit, which Toyota are hiding behind). Any suggestions please? Has anyone else experienced this issue? 

With my Toyota Avensis 2015 and BMW N47 engine I had similar problems. Only way is to clean DPF filters . I did it in Bosh service, they have  new good solvents for this purpose.

[Guest]

On 8/4/2022 at 12:28 AM, Coco22 said:

Hello, just wondering if anyone can offeradvice please. I have a 2016 Toyota Avensis 1.6 diesel Luna car. There's approximately 115,000kms on the clock. Unfortunately, there's a BMW engine in it. I had the EGR cooler replaced, due to recall recently. Shortly after this, 4 amber lights appear on the dashboard (not sure if it's related or not). Have asked the question to Toyota Ireland but getting nowhere. Had a diagnostic done by Toyota and apparently the lights are due to turbo sensor fault which can be replaced, however, 'if the bolt breaks' while doing this job, then a manifold will need to be replaced...and also DPF filter would need to be checked. If there's an issue with that, when all is done I'm being quoted 2700euro!! I've been advised anecdotally the problems won't stop there. Car is well serviced by a reliable mechanic (not by Toyota albeit, which Toyota are hiding behind). Any suggestions please? Has anyone else experienced this issue? 

I'd get a solicitors letter or something written to Toyota Ireland. Not sure about ROI, but in the UK there's a law that states products must be up to a reasonable quality otherwise the seller or manufacturer needs to sort it out by being allowed to try and fix it once, or compensate you / replace it altogether.  You should be well within reason to expect a 6 year old diesel car (from Toyota especially) to not require massive repairs like that - unless Toyota (who the responsibility to demonstrate it falls on in UK law) can prove that the car was either not serviced / used properly / looked after reasonably well which directly led to the issues you're having, then they'd have to do something - even a goodwill part coverage of the costs - to put it right. 

Also, that dealer should be shot. If they break a bolt on your car during a repair, it's their !Removed! problem to cover the costs to put it right - not yours. I'd get that in writing, then book it in with them. And hold them to it if they reckon your car needs a new DPF. I'd also ask them to prove or explain to you how the recent EGR recall isn't related to the issue you're having now too. 

I presume there's some kind of similar law in Ireland to the UK (Think here it's the consumer rights act or sales of good act - one of the two, one replaces the other and even applied to used cars). There's bound to be an EU law or something you can lean on for it. They surely can't just ignore you.

My old DS3 took three cases over a year to get them to fix the known wing mirror fault and replace corroding alloys after one being ignored, second time being told they won't cover it then third time miraculously getting someone who gave it the works at their expense. Keep at Toyota, you might get someone who takes ownership of your case who will sort you out. 

Really hope I don't have this issue with my 2018 1.6 BMW diesel Avensis or Karen mode will be activated haha 

[Konrad C]

On 7/25/2021 at 12:42 AM, 2009joe said:

well i bought a clean 2014 2.0d4d toyota avensis business edt i hope it will  be a long long time before doing away with diesels . i hope i get the chance to drive this car into the ground . i was looking at those petrol hybrids there dear enough to buy for all u get 

I mainly read your posts and you should be thankful so far, that your local authority has not implement ULEZ type schemes, that are running in inner London and other cities and town in England and Scotland. More frustrating for some (not me) is the 20mph limits also being introduced in many areas around the UK! ICE engines are not efficient or clean at these speeds and DPFs (and PPFs) get full quickly and won't always regen properly. This is why EV and Hybrids are popular in London. Yes they are more expensive, but they are reasonably reliable and suit the current situation here in London. There are a few diesel diehards, but they either have done hacks or don't mind spending the £12.50 a day to drive within the ULEZ. Worse for some including my brother, there are plans to expand ULEZ to cover Greater London next year! So those owners with non-compliant cars will have to make the choice of paying or replace the car which could be more costly. 

[TonyHSD]

Diesels are no more, and for good 👍 

Absolutely never been a need to have a diesel powered car that is smaller than Camry and has engine smaller than 2.5, but we can see even there were smart for two with 0.6 Ltr Diesel engines , this is where the stupidity of using diesels went and f….ud up. 
Seen the other day a brand new Tuareg 22 plate with big diesel engine, well that make sense and probably be the most efficient and less polluted variant of such a large suv. 

[Cyker]

2 hours ago, Konrad C said:

I mainly read your posts and you should be thankful so far, that your local authority has not implement ULEZ type schemes, that are running in inner London and other cities and town in England and Scotland. More frustrating for some (not me) is the 20mph limits also being introduced in many areas around the UK! ICE engines are not efficient or clean at these speeds and DPFs (and PPFs) get full quickly and won't always regen properly. This is why EV and Hybrids are popular in London. Yes they are more expensive, but they are reasonably reliable and suit the current situation here in London. There are a few diesel diehards, but they either have done hacks or don't mind spending the £12.50 a day to drive within the ULEZ. Worse for some including my brother, there are plans to expand ULEZ to cover Greater London next year! So those owners with non-compliant cars will have to make the choice of paying or replace the car which could be more costly. 

Yeah, there's been an increase in plate cloning for petrol versions of the same car/van to get around it, and also because they don't have cameras at all the 'entrances', some people sneak in and out through unmonitored junctions. It's just crazyness!

The extension to the extension is also just going to exacerbate the price of 2nd hand cars, esp. hybrids, as the even greater number of people in outer London are forced to change cars, hoovering up yet more of the increasingly scarce hybrids from the rest of the UK.

 

2 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

Diesels are no more, and for good 👍 

Absolutely never been a need to have a diesel powered car that is smaller than Camry and has engine smaller than 2.5, but we can see even there were smart for two with 0.6 Ltr Diesel engines , this is where the stupidity of using diesels went and f….ud up. 
Seen the other day a brand new Tuareg 22 plate with big diesel engine, well that make sense and probably be the most efficient and less polluted variant of such a large suv. 

For now, but I wouldn't count it out as this may change in the future when we actually run out of petrol - Out of the 3 liquid automotive fuels (petrol, diesel and hydrogen), diesel is by far the easiest and least resource intensive fuel to synthesize, and combined with ducted or airblast injection would make them much cleaner too, but right now, it's a general avoid unless you can get a Euro4-era one (Last of the really reliable diesels) and just avoid cities. (At the moment I'd rather drive 30 mins out of London to get something than any further into London!)

 

[TonyHSD]

The problem is that governments and bodies does not want internal combustion engine cars in towns and cities, and they have the point, however it makes me wonder why they didn’t do that many years ago but instead where pushing people to buy and use diesels?! Anything that burns and create heat, noise and pollution it is not good for highly populated areas, period. Here a new road sign I have seen for a first time, perhaps more like that will emerge soon everywhere. This is from south west London 👌 

[Cyker]

I still feel it's more of a money thing, with the pollution side more of a pretence so they can claim the moral high-ground, otherwise there'd be more carrot and less stick, but giving everyone a carrot would be expensive and you can beat everyone with one stick.

I suppose they need to get their levels down or they will attract fines, although not sure if that's still a thing with Brexit.

Also the government has made an incredible amount of money from new car sales and this will only increase when people start to buy new EVs given their higher price point.

 

[plonker1]

Has anyone problems with the 2016 2ltr diesel 

[TonyHSD]

I believe everyone who owns that car with that particular engine. It’s not about if you gonna get issues but when. 

[Cyker]

One of the reasons I moved away from diesels, despite being a diesel convert, is things like the dual mass flywheel, diesel particulate filter, exhaust gas recirculator and now adblue have reduced the reliability of diesels so much they went from being much more reliable than petrols to much less reliable.

But TBH as long as it's used regularly for decent length journeys so the engine gets hot regularly, and gets serviced regularly with quality oil, it should be relatively problem free.

Diesel engines want to be used - Most people that have problems buy them for the high mpg but then don't drive them which causes them to guck up as they never get hot enough to burn off the guck. I think this is an issue with most efficient combustion cars - Even hybrids can develop problems due to people buying them and then not using them, causing things like the 12v Battery to drain out, and also sooty deposits forming because the engine never gets to operating temperature for long enough.

[333max]

I had a 1.6 diesel Avensis with the BMW engine. I bought it on 10000miles and sold it 4 years later with 106000miles. Apart from servicing, and the EGR being replaced under a recall, nothing went wrong. As others have said, modern diesels need regular long runs. I commuted 100miles a day on the motorway, so maybe that's why I didn't have problems. I do think the advantages of diesels have reduced a lot in recent years. I now have a 1.5 petrol DSG Skoda Octavia and I get the same MPG as I did with the Avensis.

[Cyker]

Yeah it's quite impressive seeing actual real major improvements. One of the reasons the new 'dynamic force' engine equipped cars do so well is Toyota somehow made a petrol engine that has 40-41% peak efficiency; That's diesel territory!

Diesel would still win, as its high-efficiency band is much wider, whereas in a petrol it's only at a certain point, but by bolting it to a hybrid system that decouples it from the wheels, they can deliberately run it in that narrow 41% efficiency band most of the time, siphoning off the excess energy into the Battery to deploy it later 'for free', which is something a diesel engine can't do.

It's one reason I dislike this artificial termination date of ICE cares - It feels like we're just getting into a golden age of engines, where we are seeing some real world leaps in power and efficiency, where you can have your cake AND eat it.

I'd much prefer it if EVs had to beat ICE cars on their own merits and not through legislation - That would force them to improve much faster to compete; As it is they've kinda stagnated while everyone waits for these new Battery technologies that keep getting promised, but like fusion are always a few years away...

[JARC1]

Is this the best available Owners Club to join or is there a club specific to the Avensis.

Just acquired a 2012 Avensis T SPIRT D-4D. with 87,000 miles. Type T27.  Variant ADT270(E)                            Engine No: 1AD5658747.  Car has a good service history and in excellent condition.

Would appreciate any tips/opinions on what I should be aware of.

Many thanks and Regards, John.

[2009joe]

8 hours ago, JARC1 said:

Is this the best available Owners Club to join or is there a club specific to the Avensis.

Just acquired a 2012 Avensis T SPIRT D-4D. with 87,000 miles. Type T27.  Variant ADT270(E)                            Engine No: 1AD5658747.  Car has a good service history and in excellent condition.

Would appreciate any tips/opinions on what I should be aware of.

Many thanks and Regards, John.

just change oil twice a year and fun that fule cleaner additive threw it to keep injectors clean etc but if doing long journeys should be ok i dont really do long journeys my car got 50k on it genuine its 2014 .but il come to that bridge when i come to it if my dpf !Removed! itself. i think 2012 didnt come with dpf maybe 

[JARC1]

11 hours ago, 2009joe said:

just change oil twice a year and fun that fule cleaner additive threw it to keep injectors clean etc but if doing long journeys should be ok i dont really do long journeys my car got 50k on it genuine its 2014 .but il come to that bridge when i come to it if my dpf !Removed! itself. i think 2012 didnt come with dpf maybe 

2009joe

I only do 4000 - 5000 miles per year so is it really necessary to change oil after 2500 miles. ? What fuel additive to keep injectors clean do you recommend.

Many thanks and Regards, John

[2009joe]

10 hours ago, JARC1 said:

2009joe

I only do 4000 - 5000 miles per year so is it really necessary to change oil after 2500 miles. ? What fuel additive to keep injectors clean do you recommend.

Many thanks and Regards, John

well if covering 10 to 12k a year sure change oil about 6 r 6k  be good job but stay away from cheap oil i hear that stuff not good and wrecks engines . my last car i put cheap oil in but changed it regular and engine head gasket went at 125k on one of those die hard vw 1.9tdi engines . tbh my mechanic told me he puts it down to cheap junk oil so now with my toyota car i put in toyota genuine oil 

 

that diesel additive i put in y car was that redex stuff 

https://www.holtsauto.com/redex/products/diesel-system-cleaner/

 

[JARC1]

On 10/3/2022 at 8:16 PM, 2009joe said:

well if covering 10 to 12k a year sure change oil about 6 r 6k  be good job but stay away from cheap oil i hear that stuff not good and wrecks engines . my last car i put cheap oil in but changed it regular and engine head gasket went at 125k on one of those die hard vw 1.9tdi engines . tbh my mechanic told me he puts it down to cheap junk oil so now with my toyota car i put in toyota genuine oil 

 

that diesel additive i put in y car was that redex stuff 

https://www.holtsauto.com/redex/products/diesel-system-cleaner/

 

Surely Toyota do not manufacture oil. It must be produced for them by one of the worlds big oil companies. I imagine buying "Genuine" Toyota oils must be very much dearer than buying a well known/recognised brand of oil. E.G. Castrol, Shell and the many more  well known Premium Brands.

Should I be using a Diesel System Cleaner and a DPF cleaner as well. Would I be correct in using it every other tank full of diesel ?

I will use Redex, as it is a very long standing product. I can in fact remember my father using it when I was but a young lad. (Now 72 and still a "petrolhead", but one that has now changed to diesel for the first time in his life).    An Avensis T-Spirit 2.0 Ltr with D4D engine.

Best Wishes and Regards, John

[2009joe]

3 hours ago, JARC1 said:

Surely Toyota do not manufacture oil. It must be produced for them by one of the worlds big oil companies. I imagine buying "Genuine" Toyota oils must be very much dearer than buying a well known/recognised brand of oil. E.G. Castrol, Shell and the many more  well known Premium Brands.

Should I be using a Diesel System Cleaner and a DPF cleaner as well. Would I be correct in using it every other tank full of diesel ?

I will use Redex, as it is a very long standing product. I can in fact remember my father using it when I was but a young lad. (Now 72 and still a "petrolhead", but one that has now changed to diesel for the first time in his life).    An Avensis T-Spirit 2.0 Ltr with D4D engine.

Best Wishes and Regards, John

Well I know what u mean Castrol and she'll be good oil but I see others out there that must be cheap .I bought engine oil from Toyota and tbh bought new gearbox oil as well as I want to change that so my gearbox will last long I bought my genuine Toyota oil and gearbox oil from Toyota dealer .it was expensive but what can I do my last car I had a head gasket go on it and well I'm guessing was down to cheap oil and changing the oil only one time each year .regards the fuel additive well tbh say maybe one jar of redex in every 3rd full tank but tbh I don't know I just put one in every so often .my last car I ran liquid Molly diesel purge threw it and not sure if done much use but tbh if I'm changing my diesel filter I always buy a tin of liquid Molly diesel purge and fill up the diesel filter when I put in a new one before connecting up to the car .that liquid Molly diesel purge supposed 2 clean out injectors etc but .tbh not even sure if all that is just a waste of money . That's my gearbox oil I got from touota