Advice buying 06 T180

[ScottRS]

New member here.

looking at buying an 06 T180 but keep reading about the carbon build up issue. 

Is this issue still a problem as know the timespan for Toyota fixing it is gone I think? 

What other things should I be aware of if any? 

Most likely be buying one with 90-110k on the clock. 

Would be a shame to buy it and had issues as have had 3 second generation MR2’s turbo and n/a and they were Brilliant 

grateful for replies.

 

 

[alan333]

The 2.2 diesel engine is known for cylinder head troubles in everything it's fitted to, including Lexus.  Nobody knows the percentage of faulty ones, but personally I wouldn't own one out of warranty.  I'm sure others who've had good ones will disagree - it's your gamble.

[Heidfirst]

all AD series engines within a certain time frame are potentially susceptible to the head/head gasket issue but anecdotally the T180 is most susceptible/has a higher rate. However, the actual % that develop it is believed to be very low  but only Toyota know for sure & they aren't about to release that.

I wouldn't own any modern common rail turbodiesel with a DPF out of warranty irrespective of manufacturer. An old one may be cheap but DMF, DPF, injectors etc. are all expensive. 

[ScottRS]

It comes with warranty but no enough to cover a potential engine replacement. I was wondering if if terracleaning it at intervals would keep it out of trouble. 

[alan333]

It's a gamble I wouldn't take.

[NORTHERN_LAD]

If you know the registration number, your local toyota dealer should be able to tell you if the engine has been changed. 

I took out an extended warranty on mine which covers me for a further 2 years and includes Toyota assistance. 

[ScottRS]

Could I still get an extended warranty on a 2006 from Toyota? Was thinking of just paying a little bit extra for a private warranty with one of these companies that offer warranties on used cars. 

32 minutes ago, NORTHERN_LAD said:

If you know the registration number, your local toyota dealer should be able to tell you if the engine has been changed. 

I took out an extended warranty on mine which covers me for a further 2 years and includes Toyota assistance. 

 

[NORTHERN_LAD]

Others on here will know more but I think it it would need to be serviced at a toyota dealers before you can get a warranty.

Mine is still under its 5 year warranty so it’s straight forward. 

[FROSTYBALLS]

Toyota extended warranties are available on cars up to 12 years old or 100,000 miles (whichever occurs first) at time of warranty purchase.

[Heidfirst]

1 hour ago, ScottRS said:

Could I still get an extended warranty on a 2006 from Toyota? 

The Toyota Extended Warranty can be renewed until the vehicle is 12 years old or 100,000 miles (at the point of sale of the extended warranty)  https://www.toyota.co.uk/owners/warranty/extended-warranty.json

4 minutes ago, NORTHERN_LAD said:

Others on here will know more but I think it it would need to be serviced at a toyota dealers before you can get a warranty.

Mine is still under its 5 year warranty so it’s straight forward. 

Not to mention that yours is outside the years of the potentially affected engines.

[ScottRS]

Well I’m in a bit of a difficult place as really like the cars plus seems like all the alternatives also have some sort of engine issue. I will ring the warranty people I think and see if the cover they offer covers this issue. 

Thanks for replys 

[FROSTYBALLS]

Not sure whether the car would need to be serviced by a Toyota dealer before a Toyota extended warranty may be purchased, but if a Toyota extended warranty is taken out, it would need to be serviced by a Toyota dealer during the period of the extended warranty (block exemption only applies during the new car warranty period).

Having said that, a Toyota over five years old can benefit from Toyota's cheaper Essential Care servicing scheme - https://www.toyota.co.uk/owners/service-mot-maintenance/servicing.json.  So for the Rav4 the silver service (equivalent to Intermediate) current cost is £130, and for the gold (equivalent to the Full) £210.

[ScottRS]

I was thinking of getting a warranty with a used car warranty company if Toyota one is unavailable which it might be on an older car. 

What is Toyota servicing like? I hear a lot of horror stories about main dealer servicing.

[Ant-Rav]

Is it worth the risk buying it, knowing the possible problems it might have. What about considering other manufacturers, that's prob not what u want to hear.

[Heidfirst]

1 hour ago, ScottRS said:

What is Toyota servicing like? I hear a lot of horror stories about main dealer servicing.

It depends on the dealer - there are good & bad as with any marque but they consistently score amongst the best overall in the likes of http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/driver-power/92307/best-car-dealers-2017

& with a car of that age it is eligible for the cheaper Essential Care servicing.

[ScottRS]

28 minutes ago, Ant-Rav said:

Is it worth the risk buying it, knowing the possible problems it might have. What about considering other manufacturers, that's prob not what u want to hear.

They all have issues I’ve looked through a lot of alternatives. Nissans are plagued with Renault engines that have multiple issues. I was looking at XC90 but can’t find a manual box as auto boxes can be a nightmare over 100k if not been rebuilt. 

I could live it just being a head gasket which I could fix myself but full engine replacement is crazy. 

 

 

[alan333]

Do you need a diesel?  The petrol Toyotas are pretty bulletproof (except the 1.8vvti til 2006).

[Heidfirst]

5 hours ago, ScottRS said:

I could live it just being a head gasket which I could fix myself but full engine replacement is crazy. 

The gasket going is a symptom though so if you don't fix the root cause(s) it would probably recur.

 Toyota says that the block/head on these should not be skimmed (although we know that some people have done so apparently satisfactorily).

[Mark O]

"I could live it just being a head gasket which I could fix myself but full engine replacement is crazy"

If you can do that, then it suggests you are able to discern a dodgy engine before buying - which in turn mitigates some of the risk. Thereafter, personally I think you would be very unlucky if the engine went bang, and as no-one appears to be able to quantify just what percentage went bang previously, then I would suggest the risk of that happenning is no more than any other similar engine.

DPF on mine seems OK - afer 95K. I use decent fuel and force/frig a regen now and then, but I freely admit that replacement is hideously expensive. As you suggest however,  there are alternative cheaper measures one can try - and personally I would  - before shelling out for a replacement.

Fine car, and a fine engine. Excellent low down torque, easy cruising, lots of useful toys. Servicing - decent local independent all the time for me. Far cheaper, far more forthcoming, and I get to poke around underneath.   

 

 

 

[Heidfirst]

20 minutes ago, Mark O said:

Servicing - decent local independent all the time for me. Far cheaper, far more forthcoming, and I get to poke around underneath.   

Toyota's Essential Care on older (5+) vehicles is pretty keen imo (for a RAV Silver is £130 & Gold £210). I find my local dealer's service department very forthcoming but appreciate that they may not all be. I can see my car being serviced but I suspect that their H&S policy probably precludes me going under their ramps ... never asked though. 

[Mark O]

Heid

Servicing....That does not seem at all bad from Mr. T - especially if it includes the cost of the fluids.  May be tempted myself for 130 quid!

[Heidfirst]

https://www.toyota.co.uk/download/cms/gben/Toyota Essential Care Content_tcm-3060-675779.pdf