Toyota Aygo - 2018 facelift

[MarkyPancake]

Shame the new UK car tax system penalises small engines compared to before. Unless I've misread it, as haven't really looked into it yet.

[FROSTYBALLS]

If you haven't looked into the VED system, how can you say it has penalised small engines??

For petrol engines cars, those first registered on or after 1st April 2017 will have the first year's VED based on CO2 emissions and for years 2-5 will pay a standard fee of £140 per year. If the car has a list price over £40K there will be an additional £310 annual supplement.

[AYGOSTU]

7 hours ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

If you haven't looked into the VED system, how can you say it has penalised small engines??

For petrol engines cars, those first registered on or after 1st April 2017 will have the first year's VED based on CO2 emissions and for years 2-5 will pay a standard fee of £140 per year. If the car has a list price over £40K there will be an additional £310 annual supplement.

I think I know where he’s coming from, as my current tax cost is £0 on my 2014 Aygo. As minimal as this is it is enough to make me consider holding onto the car longer now it’s not ‘free’

[FROSTYBALLS]

11 minutes ago, AYGOSTU said:

I think I know where he’s coming from, as my current tax cost is £0 on my 2014 Aygo. As minimal as this is it is enough to make me consider holding onto the car longer now it’s not ‘free’

My Aygo is also zero VED.

However, if and when we decide to change, we look at whether a vehicle meets our specific needs at the time - eg interior space, boot space, width of tailgate opening, the drive, performance, equipment, etc. 

Of the 21 new cars we've purchased, the VED rate has never been a factor we've taken into account when deciding on a car.  Can't see this changing.

[Heidfirst]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/c1/103108/citroen-c1-updated-for-2018-with-new-tech-and-refreshed-engine

[MarkyPancake]

I think I know where he’s coming from, as my current tax cost is £0 on my 2014 Aygo. As minimal as this is it is enough to make me consider holding onto the car longer now it’s not ‘free’

This is what I was getting at.

I take it the low tax rate cars have been more popular than the government expected, as going from £0 to £140 for most likely a more efficient and cleaner car meeting the new Euro regs seems a bit steep.

[FROSTYBALLS]

57 minutes ago, MarkyPancake said:

I take it the low tax rate cars have been more popular than the government expected, as going from £0 to £140 for most likely a more efficient and cleaner car meeting the new Euro regs seems a bit steep.

Cars with lower CO2 emissions aren't necessarily cleaner, especially when one looks at the nitrogen oxides produced in addition to CO2. Hence we've seen a further hike in VED rates for new diesels effective from this month. One of the reasons why Which? haven't labelled the current Aygo as a Best Buy is due to the high levels of nitrogen oxides produced.

[Heidfirst]

2 hours ago, MarkyPancake said:

I take it the low tax rate cars have been more popular than the government expected, as going from £0 to £140 for most likely a more efficient and cleaner car meeting the new Euro regs seems a bit steep.

 

yes, the government was losing too much tax revenue ...

[AYGOSTU]

So I was in my local Toyota garage booking the Verso in for rear parking sensors to be fitted.. whilst waiting I asked the salesperson if they have any knowledge or dates on the new Aygo.. he told me there is no news only that it is only a facelift with no engine or other changes.. and proceeded to try and sell me a pre reg 2017 aygo.. saying they could do a good deal against my aygo trade in.. it made me laugh because from reading online it is more than just a facelift.. also I told him I am not interested in trading in my Aygo as it’s WAY higher spec than any aygos they have.   I eagerly await the new car to see if it’s worth the change. 

[alan333]

I'm sure lots of us can remember, but car road tax for everyone in year 2000 was £155/year, irrespective of engine size.  Then they brought in a variable scheme where smaller engined cars were cheaper.  I can't quite remember, and a quick Google hasn't thrown up any results, but I think it was around two-thirds of the price if your engine was under 1300cc or something.  Consider if those rates were still relevant today - factoring in inflation the aforementioned £155/year would now be about £245, or maybe around £165 for smaller engines?

Now consider how much it costs to own reasonably new car, something like the biggest seller in 2017, a Ford Fiesta.  Again, a quick Google says a new Fiesta was about £12k or more in 2017 - so let's count it based on a hypothetical ten grand car.

You buy it for £10k, keep it for 3 years and get maybe £4500 back as a trade in, so it's cost £5500 just to own it.

You drive 30,000 miles over the 3 years, at 50 mpg, and at £5/gallon (both for easy counting), so fuel costs £3000.

You service it twice costing maybe £300, fit a pair of front tyres at £100, and a set of brakes another £100. Total £500.

You insure it for 3 years for £750, and you break a wing mirror, or you cut a tyre or something, let's say £250 for unforeseen items.  Total £1000.

That's a total of £10,000.  Breaking that back down it costs 33.33 pence per mile.  Or £277.77 per month.  Or £64.10 per week.

Now add road tax at £245/year (the inflation related figure from earlier).  The figures increase to £10,735.  Or 35.7 pence/mile, £298.19/month, £68.81/week.  Not a lot extra in the whole scheme of things.

But I've not counted any interest yet either.  Even at 5% flat rate interest it adds £1500 to the total.  

edit... my point is that road tax is hardly worth bothering about in the grand scheme.

[FROSTYBALLS]

1 hour ago, AYGOSTU said:

he told me there is no news only that it is only a facelift with no engine or other changes.. and proceeded to try and sell me a pre reg 2017 aygo.. saying they could do a good deal against my aygo trade in.. it made me laugh because from reading online it is more than just a facelift.. 

It is a facelift. The basic structure if the car remains the same. Revisions to the lights and front panel, increased noise suppression on the inside, mild revisions to the engine, and new trim levels are what the facelift bring,