Looking at a Auris 1.6

[roks]

Toyota Auris (2015) 1.6 V-Matic Icon+ 5d 1.6 V-Matic Icon+ 5d

I spotted one of these cars with 101k on the clock for just under £7000, had its first mot in march.

I can only assume its a fleet vechile and motorway miles.

Is it worth looking at this further or am I waisting my time?

Any advise would be appreciated.

[alan333]

Personally I'd spend the extra grand and get one with a third of the miles.  After a few years the high miler will be pretty worthless (since it'll possibly have towards 150k miles by then), where a lower mileage one will still have some equity/saleability.

To answer your question tho, I haven't heard of any horror stories with the valvematic engines, they seem quite reliable and bulletproof.

[FROSTYBALLS]

It will be outside both the new car warranty and Toyota's extended warranty, should one be considering an extended warranty, as both have a limit of 100,000 miles.

[roks]

Thanks guys for your replies, I was also thinking of the resale value.

In terms of DIY, is similar to Corollas or do these auris have less options for diy due more electronics hence require specialist tools?

[Countrylad]

On ‎6‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 9:34 AM, alan333 said:

Personally I'd spend the extra grand and get one with a third of the miles.  After a few years the high miler will be pretty worthless (since it'll possibly have towards 150k miles by then), where a lower mileage one will still have some equity/saleability.

What Alan said. Seven grand is too much for a car that's more than halfway through its normal lifespan. I think I hit a sweeter spot by paying £10K for my 18 month old 1.6 Touring, with 30K on the clock and three and a half years of the Toyota warranty still to run.

£8K or maybe a bit more ought to get you a three year old with 40K maximum on the clock. For me, the issue with 101K is that there will be a lot of parts that are nearing their fair wear and tear replacement stage, and you won't necessarily get those fixed under any warranty. I am forever scarred by the memory of a diesel Ford Focus which was an absolute dream to own until it turned 110K - at which point the injectors, the aircon, the cat, the water pump, a drive shaft and then the turbo all gave out in quick succession. (Oh, and then the cam belt snapped and boggered the valves.) Fortunately the 1.6 Auris doesn't have either a turbo or a cam belt (it's got a chain), so you can forget that particular worry.

I like buying ex-lease cars that have done a lot of motorway miles, but 100K is just too many to be paying more than five grand for. I can warmly recommend the 1.6 petrol Auris, though. MPG isn't great by modern standards (mine does 38 to 44, rising to 46 on very long runs), but it's a tried and tested engine with a very long pedigree. By the way, you get multi-linked rear suspension with that 1.6, which I don't think all of them had.

Any further queries, just shout.

[roks]

Thanks countrylad, I will just have to hold on a bit longer I guess and save up a bit more. I am definate on 1.6 petrol, manual, 2013 on wards. I prefer leather seats but not all have them.

My Corolla is stll going strong, 110500 miles now. It was looking ok until some kid on a moped clipped my right wing so looks  bit tired. Had couple of quotes, its not worth the repair, might try the dent puller and see.

[furtula]

What's the price of another wing from the breakers?

Asking for a friend.

 

[roks]

Not sure.....I've been quoted 350-650 to sort it out

[Tonyknowstech]

100k miles and if really most of them are motorway than it's ok. Usually cars love to be driven on motorways and if sensibly serviced they keep going and going. If it's me I will try to push the seller for even better price so in case something needs attention. High mileage fairly new cars are always been a good choice when on a budget and in many cases they tend to be better condition and more reliable than a low mileage cars, that weren't driven a lot but weren't looked after properly too. If price difference is only a grand between 40k and 100k miles Auris than it's not worth it but if you get 3k + Savings make sense looking at it. 

Regards 

[Konrad C]

On 6/10/2018 at 9:12 AM, roks said:

Thanks guys for your replies, I was also thinking of the resale value.

In terms of DIY, is similar to Corollas or do these auris have less options for diy due more electronics hence require specialist tools?

if you are talking about DIY servicing, you will only need a couple of tools as shown in the following link - 

The 1.6 valvematic engine is the same as the 1.8 in the Avensis, and use the same spark plugs and oil filter. The preferred oil grade is 0W-20, and I get mine from Euro Car Parts using discount codes they advertise. The one wear and tear item to check is the clutch. It is more expensive to change due to the concentric slave bearing. 
Basically think of the Auris as an update of your Corolla. I have seen some of your recent posts, and I would say a change is on the cards. I bought my '09 Avensis T27 TR Tourer Valvematic, 52,000 miles for £5600, nearly 3 years ago. If you are going to buy an Auris, get it with mileage well within warranty period for the budget. As said by others, why buy a young car out of warranty due to high mileage.         

[roks]

Thanks Conrad. 

Yes, servicing and other small jobs like brake pads and disc etc.

Talking about clutch...I did clutch on my Corolla 😓....I can tell you now i dont want to another one unless I really have to, thanks for the heads up.

[ziauris]

I'd probably get a Civic if I had the choice again. I got my Auris 1.6 petrol manual when it was under 5 yrs old, 42k for around 5.5k.

 

[Willss]

I've owned 2 2014 auris 1.6 tourers (still have 1).  One was bought with 13k on it at 9 months old (Icon) for £9750.  The other I bought pre reg and still have along with Avensis tourer.  1.6 is a great engine in the car.  Quick enough, smooth and surprisingly economical.  General driving (multiple brim to brim checks) I get 44-48mpg and can get low 50s on long runs - far better than the avensis which on paper should be about the same. 

At 4 yrs and only 30k miles I'm starting to get suspension and steering noises so suspect work will be due shortly.  Does get driven over a lot of very poor quality relatively fast country roads but sooner than I thought these things would start to rattle/clonk! 

Demand for the 1.6 seems to have really gone up over the past couple of years, presumably due to reliability?  That said I'd still think you could get a much lower mileage car for that sort of money if you have a bit of patience!

[matt@theforce]

I bought my 2013 1.6 auris tourer @ 2 1/2 yr old & 26k miles on it. I've had it for 2 1/2 years & now have 61k miles on it.  I don't regret buying it, its a great family car & commuter.  I live on the edge of the Peak District and it gets run up/down lots of hills/country roads/A & B roads, motorways & city driving, its gets very varied use. 

Overall average mpg since I bought it is 42mpg, this includes traveling with a full size roof box, bikes & I'm chuffed to bits with the economy.

I'm not worried by mileage, infact I intend to see how many miles I can get out of it before its ready for scrapping.  

[roks]

Just widening my search options, how is the 1.2 petrol , are there any known issues with these? They seem more economical in terms of mileage.

However I see they cost more than the 1.6 with same year and similar mileage

[Konrad C]

On 6/12/2018 at 9:26 PM, Willss said:

I've owned 2 2014 auris 1.6 tourers (still have 1).  One was bought with 13k on it at 9 months old (Icon) for £9750.  The other I bought pre reg and still have along with Avensis tourer.  1.6 is a great engine in the car.  Quick enough, smooth and surprisingly economical.  General driving (multiple brim to brim checks) I get 44-48mpg and can get low 50s on long runs - far better than the avensis which on paper should be about the same. 

At 4 yrs and only 30k miles I'm starting to get suspension and steering noises so suspect work will be due shortly.  Does get driven over a lot of very poor quality relatively fast country roads but sooner than I thought these things would start to rattle/clonk! 

Demand for the 1.6 seems to have really gone up over the past couple of years, presumably due to reliability?  That said I'd still think you could get a much lower mileage car for that sort of money if you have a bit of patience!

I am interested in hearing about your comparisons between the Auris and Avensis. I own the Avensis Tourer '09 (58 plate) 1.8 Valvematic manual. For a while, I had my old Mk1 Avensis 1.8 leanburn. The cars were not as far apart as I thought. The kit lever is higher obviously on the '09 car. I also did a back to back with a friends Mk2 57 plate vvti. Both TR spec, but the T25 had the nav, which came a year later on the T27. I had cruise control  I think the Auris Touring is close in size the the older Avensis model estates - Mk1 and Mk2. 
The engines (apart from the early vvti oil burning issue), generally are reliable and easy to service. 

On 6/16/2018 at 9:26 PM, roks said:

Just widening my search options, how is the 1.2 petrol , are there any known issues with these? They seem more economical in terms of mileage.

However I see they cost more than the 1.6 with same year and similar mileage

The 1.2 engine is too new for really long term reliability reports, but I have not heard anything to date. This engine has brought 3 possible long term reliability problems, if not serviced regularly and reliably - EGR, direct injection and turbo. Hopefully Toyota have learnt from other manufacturers problem.  

[Willss]

On 6/19/2018 at 11:26 AM, Konrad C said:

I am interested in hearing about your comparisons between the Auris and Avensis. I own the Avensis Tourer '09 (58 plate) 1.8 Valvematic manual. For a while, I had my old Mk1 Avensis 1.8 leanburn. The cars were not as far apart as I thought. The kit lever is higher obviously on the '09 car. I also did a back to back with a friends Mk2 57 plate vvti. Both TR spec, but the T25 had the nav, which came a year later on the T27. I had cruise control  I think the Auris Touring is close in size the the older Avensis model estates - Mk1 and Mk2. 
The engines (apart from the early vvti oil burning issue), generally are reliable and easy to service. 

The 1.2 engine is too new for really long term reliability reports, but I have not heard anything to date. This engine has brought 3 possible long term reliability problems, if not serviced regularly and reliably - EGR, direct injection and turbo. Hopefully Toyota have learnt from other manufacturers problem.  

Avensis should be about 46mpg on paper combined, my reality about 41mpg.  Auris 1.6 about 47mpg on paper reality about 47mpg.  Both regular brim to brim and on same commute at same times of year etc so I believe a fair comparison.  Drive is rural, about 14miles on free flowing but twisty roads.

Avensis boot is same width as auris but about 4-5" deeper front to back (have an auris boot liner in the avensis (out of the previous auris I sold) so very easy to compare sizes - the liner fits the avensis relatively well!).  Avensis is far nicer car to sit in, much heavier car to drive and has far better equipment.  Rear legroom is MUCH better on the avensis. 

Roks - I had a 1.2 tourer for a couple of days on a test drive and much preferred my 1.6.  1.2 had more pull than 1.6 but over a shorter range.  Not as smooth to drive, economy not much different that 1.6 as far as I could tell, can't put my finger on it but just didn't like the turbo engine - I'm sure others do!  Add this reticence to the fact that the 1.2 hasn't been tried/tested for that long and I moved away from a new auris and towards the non turbo avensis.  

Personally I'd go for a 2014 1.6 over a 2014 1.2 but that's just me!  I'm sure those who own the 1.2 would suggest to go for that!!!

[nielshm]

Of course you need to try the 1.2. Thats engine is very quiet, and I've no troubles what so ever. 43.000 miles so far.

The 1.2 revs only to 5500 rpm max, and max. power output is at 5.200 rpm, so it's easy to drive with revs quite low, and still get a proper amount of power. Max. torque is 1500 rpm, so that part is totally different than the 1.6 non-turbo.

[Heidfirst]

3 hours ago, Willss said:

Avensis boot is same width as auris but about 4-5" deeper front to back (have an auris boot liner in the avensis (out of the previous auris I sold) so very easy to compare sizes - the liner fits the avensis relatively well!).  Avensis is far nicer car to sit in, much heavier car to drive and has far better equipment.  Rear legroom is MUCH better on the avensis. 

Other than the comment about width (the Avensis TS boot opening is ~7cm wider than the Auris TS) I agree. The Auris TS has a theoretically slightly larger boot volume with seats down but I found the Avensis to be the more useful in practice. & it is obvious that it is a class above the Auris.

Doesn't really help on the 1.6 Valvematic v 1.2T Auris front though but you may just want to check how much an used Avensis of similar age/mileage goes for (1.8s are harder to find though as many Avensis were diesels for high mileage fleet drivers).

[roks]

I see what you mean about not many Avensis around.

My local Jemca Toyota has a 1.6 Excel just come in for £8000, 36k, 2013, I might go and test drive this weekend.

Can you haggle with dealers? What can I expect in terms of discount.

At the moment MOT history shows 20/06/18 Failed due to damaged rear windscreen, guess they'll fix that and pass the mot?

 

 

[Heidfirst]

Is the 1.6 a typo? I don't think that the 1.6 petrol was offered in the UK on the Avensis in 2013.

Of course you can haggle with dealers but it's a 2-way street - you have to work with them. Also, if they would lose money on the deal or think that they will have no problem selling the car for more to someone else then you will struggle. If it had been sitting unloved for  a month or more you would probably have a stronger hand.

They can't sell the car without an MOT but obviously if need be you make it part of the deal that it is sold with a fixed screen & an MOT.  I would  also make sure that the car is recently serviced  - if necessary make that part of the deal too (it will cost the sales dept. less than the service dept. would charge you for it). If it is 5 years or more old it is eligible for the cheaper Toyota Essential Care.

[roks]

Sorry, forgot to sau it was a Auris 1.6, it came in last friday and its already sold apparently. oh well, I'll just have to keep looking.