How hard can it be?

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hi all,

the saga continues!

i am trying to remove the sump on my 2.2d avensis.

have removed all bolts and the 2 nuts.

having tried carefully to get between sump and engine, I am getting nowhere fast or even slowly! 2 weeks the car has been on ramps. The will to live is fading fast!

even a smidgen of encouragement would be helpful. 

Have tried the following.

plastic wedges, cutlery knife, Stanley knife to cut away as much “Gorilla Glue” as possible first. Small home made tool to try to create an opening. 

The corners of the steel pan are bending but the sealant is just not letting go!

is there a specific place or area to start?

it there a specific tool to use other than a crow bar and sledge hammer?

Any response would be gratefully received.

Now off for another cuppa.

Peter

[mrfixer]

IIRC there is no gasket, just sealant.  I have never removed a sump from one of these engines, but on a similar engine I have used an old carpet knife. Knocking/thumping the sump will do nothing, you need to cut through the sealant.

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hi mrfixer,

thank you. Excellent idea! Really appreciate your help.

let you know how I get on.

peter

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Well people,

I have failed!

After hours of trying to release the sump, I have given up for today.

Its as if the sump bolts are still tightly fastened. "Of course there out".

Using a hot air paint stripper to heat the glue/sealant, does anyone know if this could help? 

If no further suggestions are received then the car is being towed to the garage.

I have never ever tackled a task so difficult before!

Very disappointed

Peter

 

 

[Gerg]

Hi Peter,

I have not been in this situation, so please feel free to discount this suggestion:

What about a cheese cutter type-arrangement?  You could try a ready made up one (artist supplies for clay etc?).  Or, perhaps make your own with fishing line and some dowel for handles?

You wouldn't be able to use it across the entire sump, of course, but maybe across the corners, and/or one flank at a time?  If the fishing line gets trashed, you could just remake the cutter, fishing line is quite cheap from what I've seen, and comes in a variety of load ratings and thicknesses.

It could be that there is a good reason why this won't work, perhaps the sump has an internal lip.

 

[furtula]

The plastic tool you are using is good for this since it wont damage the metal. I would try to get a long crowbar, and use the car chasis as a lever, to apply force to it.

Other solution would be to improvise something similar to a tool that is used to remove flywheel, so you would use the force of the screw to push against the plastic wedge.

Try to heat the area nicely  before attempting to split it, as you mentioned before, heat gun should work fine.

 

The sump has area where it's not in full direct contact with the car, if you wedge something thin and  long in there, and use a car jack to lift the other side of it up, it should force the sump down, and hopefully separate it. 

Anyway  I would focus on trying to use the jack to somehow apply force needed, as it can give you the brute force required, but in a slow and steady manner.

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hi Dean

Some excellent and innovative ideas. Didn't think of any of those.

You don't fancy helping me do it? I'll pay you.

The jacking idea is great. If I can muster the will and energy, I will use this.

Thanks Dean.

Really appreciate your ideas and thank you for responding to my plea.

Regards

Peter

 

[mrfixer]

Normal automotive sealant would not bond like this. I suspect that the sump has been off in the past and some powerful adhesive has been used!

[avetoy]

Watch this video... perhaps the hot blade will do the trick? 

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hi mrfixer,

I couldn't agree more. It looks like a wad of money to fix this one.

Thanks Jim

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hi Avetoy,

Smashing video. I think it's also a good idea. Really appreciate your interest. 

I'm not sure I could use this in such a confined space. Great though!

Thanks jj

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hello all.

I think I'll go to Listers Toyota in Boston and have a chat with them.

Perhaps they can shed some light on the this?

Thanks again for all your helpful suggestions and comments.

Regards

Peter

[paul9]

Not the Avensis, but this video might help you a little.

 

[m456an]

Maybe gasket glue was used as a sealant? It is a very strong glue.

[MR Z.]

i am no expert, but if you use a T-Shapeed thin wedge (and place it so that the leg of the T is pointing upwards) on top of a hydraulic jack, you can use the force of the jack to pry open the bottom part... hopefully once you brake the sealant from below you can work your way around it

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Firstly thank you paul9.

I didn't realise there s a tool for splitting the seal of the sump. Thanks for the part number too.

Appreciate your time and effort to help me.

Thanks paul

[peter.ling24@gmail.com]

Hi MR Z.

Thank you for your idea re: "T" and Hydraulic jack.

I'm very pleased I've received all these suggestions and help.

Thank you all for you interest and effort trying to help me.

Thank you everyone.

Peter