Yaris Cross - delivery, etc .......

[TonyHSD]

On 6/12/2023 at 7:50 PM, Cyker said:

Wow I've never been allowed on a test drive unaccompanied by any main dealer!!

 

To be expected, in the jungle we live in. 🫢 in London test drives are accompanied by the salesperson and a security guard 😂

[RonYarisX]

23 minutes ago, Roger_N said:

The dealer gets a commission for selling the PCP agreement, if the PCP is settled with in say 6 months of taking it out they lose their commission.

I don’t think there is a hard and fast rule about how it’s applied, it depends on the state of the market and how sales are going.

As long as you tell them upfront you intend to pay it off, I don't see an issue.

First part is true but don't understand why the buyer should tell them upfront? The agreement between Toyota finance ( the lender ) and the borrower is none of the dealers business just like the relationship between the dealer and the finance company is none of my business. The dealer's job is only to 'introduce' a potential client - that's where it ends. Money for nothi

The price on my car was higher than expected so when I queried it, found out they'd added Lifeshine, a service plan and alloy wheel insurance cover, all of which was 'assumed'. All money earners for them in exactly the same way as PCP is. Can't blame them for wanting to maximise their profit, after all that's their job. 

 

[Roy124]

23 minutes ago, TonyHSD said:

To be expected, in the jungle we live in. 🫢 in London test drives are accompanied by the salesperson and a security guard 😂

Lol.

When we first looked at Toyota we were allowed to take the Corolla for an afternoon.   We were told it was normally our, round a roundabout and back.

The salesman understood two things.  We were a 'blank page buyer' downsizing from an E220 high mileage driver.

We were a bit cheeky.  We drove 30 miles to the next town to Mazda, Nissan and another dealership. 

He was right though and we bought the Corolla. 

Where I want a product class,  say a dishwasher, I often say "sell me a dishwasher".  If they try "which one do you want?" they generally lose the sale. 

[RonYarisX]

10 hours ago, Lawnmowerman said:

Hi Ron

I understand the difference between cancelling and settling quite clearly - what I don't appreciate is people assuming that I don't.

Having re-checked it says that the Finance Deposit Allowance is returnable if the agreement is cancelled - my mistake for stating that it applied to settling early. I am not sure why the salesman said this was the case if it is not (unless the Dealer foots the Allowance) - anyone clarify this?

Apologies if it came over wrong but it's a fair assumption after what you said. My concern is people read these things and take it as verbatim. That's how all the confusion about PCP arises.

The answer to your question is relatively simple - a great salesman is one who's economical with the truth, a good salesman is an outright liar. A bad salesman is one who's truthful - bad in the sense they won't last in the sales game very long. 🤣

[Roger_N]

15 minutes ago, RonYarisX said:

First part is true but don't understand why the buyer should tell them upfront? The agreement between Toyota finance ( the lender ) and the borrower is none of the dealers business just like the relationship between the dealer and the finance company is none of my business. The dealer's job is only to 'introduce' a potential client - that's where it ends. Money for nothi

The price on my car was higher than expected so when I queried it, found out they'd added Lifeshine, a service plan and alloy wheel insurance cover, all of which was 'assumed'. All money earners for them in exactly the same way as PCP is. Can't blame them for wanting to maximise their profit, after all that's their job. 

 

You don’t but if you tell them they can’t moan about it afterwards and some use the commission to cover a dealer discount.

[ChrisON]

On 6/11/2023 at 10:45 PM, Berisford said:

I'm very disappointed in Toyota with this policy - my wife had set her heart on a Cross but the mean spiritedness of Toyota effectively putting the price up £1150 has called into question our decision and will probably not go ahead now. We'll wait, a better offer might pop up later in the year.

Also, I was a little peeved at the main dealer test drive policy - the sales person insisted on accompanying us on a pre-agreed route and further insisted that it was company policy that she should sit in the front at all times - just exactly what the reasoning behind the overly regulated 'test drive' policy and exactly what the point of her being in the front is I don't know.

On my initial test drive from our local dealer of my bz4x the salesman insisted on coming along for a 'round the block' test drive. I got a one hour drive for the bz4x l eventually bought (same dealership group, different showroom). When we booked a test drive for a Yaris Cross for my partner back at the local dealer l insisted on a 2 hour test drive without being accompanied, the salesman wasn't very keen, but gave in. We ordered a new Yaris Cross GR Sport right after the test drive so l guess he couldn't complain too much.

The test drive policy seems to differ; even between the same Toyota dealerships various showrooms - in this case it was RRG Toyota whom overall l cannot praise highly enough.

Chris

[CruxisCore]

I mentioned about this earlier, but has anyone applied some protective solutions on the black plastic trims on the outside? 

I'm thinking about putting Qtechniq C4 on mine as soon as it comes. My Aygo's plastic trims get very greyish very soon after washing the car.

[TonyHSD]

3 hours ago, CruxisCore said:

I mentioned about this earlier, but has anyone applied some protective solutions on the black plastic trims on the outside? 

I'm thinking about putting Qtechniq C4 on mine as soon as it comes. My Aygo's plastic trims get very greyish very soon after washing the car.

You can use some quality washing chemicals like prokleen green Apple Snow Foam pre wash for example. This thing make any black plastics looks like new from factory, not too shiny, just the right amount of freshness plus no residue when touch them, I love this product and smells amazing even after you finished the wash. https://amzn.eu/d/06Z21Lj

Same brand have waterless wash and wax. I am not a fan of these but bought for my girlfriend lease  car 😂 she wipes it all the time anyway and she likes it a lot. When she came and I touched the car reality felt like just been properly valeted and super shiny.
https://amzn.eu/d/ht1bOTb

[RonYarisX]

On 6/15/2023 at 10:07 AM, Roger_N said:

You don’t but if you tell them they can’t moan about it afterwards and some use the commission to cover a dealer discount.

They're in no position to moan as it has nothing to do with them. In any case, it's not the smartest move for any salesperson to upset their customer.

re: using commission to secure a discount.   Anyone who places a bet with money they don't have is almost guaranteed to fail. Discounts will be based on guaranteed money. Besides, I very much doubt the commission they're paid from the finance company would be enough to secure a discount - we'd be talking peanuts.

[Dezzer21]

Car arrived in Grimsby yesterday now in transit to Derbyshire won’t be long now.

 

[Primus1]

Just had an email from Toyota telling me the car has left their “ state of the art and eco friendly plant”  and is being transported to my dealer, it’s still showing car at zeebrugge on the app, does this mean it’s still there, or has it moved to either Grimsby or derby, but is not showing on the app yet..?

[Mojo1010]

On it's way to Zeebrugge. Another email will be sent when it arrives at Grimsby. 

[Primus1]

3 hours ago, Mojo1010 said:

On it's way to Zeebrugge. Another email will be sent when it arrives at Grimsby. 

👍Any ideas how long it’s in Grimsby and derby when it eventually gets there?

Edited June 19, 2023 by Primus1

[Dezzer21]

Mine is showing on way to Derby on my T app but I have never received any emails from Toyota.

[Mojo1010]

1 hour ago, Primus1 said:

👍Any ideas how long it’s in Grimsby and derby when it eventually gets there?

A day to Grimsby and another day to Derby. Think it takes a couple of weeks at derby before being delivered to dealer. Mine is at derby - normal Yaris. 

20 minutes ago, Dezzer21 said:

Mine is showing on way to Derby on my T app but I have never received any emails from Toyota.

Check to see your dealer has the correct email. But then u have the app to check anyway. 

[Primus1]

1 hour ago, Mojo1010 said:

A day to Grimsby and another day to Derby. Think it takes a couple of weeks at derby before being delivered to dealer. Mine is at derby - normal Yaris. 

Check to see your dealer has the correct email. But then u have the app to check anyway. 

👍

[pepperoni]

On 6/12/2023 at 7:50 PM, Cyker said:

Wow I've never been allowed on a test drive unaccompanied by any main dealer!!

 

Best one I was offered was the salesman saying "take it home and see what your husband thinks...bring it back some time sometime tomorrow" mind you we had bought one from him previously and I did leave that car with him....we bought the car, so his ploy worked!! 

[dcweather]

On 6/15/2023 at 9:54 AM, Roy124 said:

Lol.

When we first looked at Toyota we were allowed to take the Corolla for an afternoon.   We were told it was normally our, round a roundabout and back.

The salesman understood two things.  We were a 'blank page buyer' downsizing from an E220 high mileage driver.

We were a bit cheeky.  We drove 30 miles to the next town to Mazda, Nissan and another dealership. 

He was right though and we bought the Corolla. 

Where I want a product class,  say a dishwasher, I often say "sell me a dishwasher".  If they try "which one do you want?" they generally lose the sale. 

Funnily enough I'm  the opposite. I usually do loads of research myself and more or less know. Then usually I find the salesperson doesn't know his own products as well as i do and tries to sell me either the most expensive or the one with the best margin for him. Often with cars I'll ask them to confirm certain specifics and they have to look it up. Most of my sales discussions revolve around getting the best price.

[dcweather]

1 hour ago, pepperoni said:

Best one I was offered was the salesman saying "take it home and see what your husband thinks...bring it back some time sometime tomorrow" mind you we had bought one from him previously and I did leave that car with him....we bought the car, so his ploy worked!! 

If he said that to my daughter she would have replied "you don't think I can choose my own car without asking my husband?" !!😁

[dcweather]

On 6/12/2023 at 7:20 AM, anchorman said:

These PCP offers vary in line with economic conditions.  The interest has dropped and the contribution drops with it.  The rate was 9.9% at the end of last year then it dropped to 7.7% and now it’s 5.9%.  What you want is no interest and maximum deposit contribution or you will withdraw your decision.  Somebody is hanging on to a Renault which is a dreadful car with even more dreadful long term reliability.   It’s a real pity Toyota don’t give them away with 0% and £2000 or even throw in free servicing.  You’re buying a high value item on tick.  Keep your old inefficient car and safety tech out of spite to yourself or do the sums over the whole term.  

Did you leave out "in your opinion"? by mistake. I have a Renault captur E-Tech Hybrid. It is exceptionally comfortable and highly specced. Happily does 60 mpg and I've never had a single fault. Nevertheless I have an open mind and if when I test drive the Toyota Cross and the MG4 I will happily change if I think they are superior despite them being way more expensive on a PCP. If renault are so bad it is odd that I have a £5k equity after two years having bought it with the £3k equity from the previous Captur!

[dcweather]

On 6/12/2023 at 10:10 AM, kipster said:

I guess it comes down to what's important, cost of car or month payments.

For me it was cost of car as the intention is to pay off the PCP deal asap.  The deposit contribution was important and the further negotiations meant I ended up with a price I'm happy with, the monthly cost is meaningless for me, but important to others.

Just because Toyota have changed the financing deal, doesn't meant you can't negotiate with the dealer for discounts.

On our test drive the salesman stayed in the showroom and we had the car to ourselves for a couple of hours.

But surely on a PCP plan the price of the car dictates the level of monthly payments (hence Car Wow etc), they are inter-linked, along with the term and the deposit and the residual baloon payment and the interest rate?

[RonYarisX]

56 minutes ago, dcweather said:

But surely on a PCP plan the price of the car dictates the level of monthly payments (hence Car Wow etc), they are inter-linked, along with the term and the deposit and the residual baloon payment and the interest rate?

Kipster said he was going to buy the car soon after collecting it therefore the only thing 2 things that matters to him are

1: the price of the car i.e. the price at which the dealer will sell the car for, and

2: the contribution the finance company are offering for buying one of their products.

Like Kipster, I couldn't care less about APRs and term lengths and deposits and monthly payments becaue all I need to work out what is and what isn't a good deal, are those two very simple pieces of information.

 

 

[RonYarisX]

I have to return to the broker prices on Yaris Cross. Something funny is defo happening. As discussed previous, the Toyota option is no longer listed on DriveTheDeal and the next best deal I could find, Autoebid, now have a £0 discount on Yaris Cross.

I've just been informed the orginal ETA for my car still stands so fingers crossed all the figures quoted on my order placement at the start of the year, stand. I can't see there being any problem but there's no way in this world I'd be willing to pay anywhere near list prices for a Yaris Cross.

Remember a while back dealers were asking crazy money for used cars? Well one look on Autotrader and that practice has all but stopped. Imagine 6mths ago paying £38k for a used car which is now being sold for £28k. That means the book price on is likely to be around the £24-£25k mark which would put that £38k car around the £22-£23k mark today. 

OMG!   I'd have loved to have been a fly-on-the-wall looking at the figures on their PCP agreements. 🤣 

Someone will have lost out big time and I bet it's not Toyota finance.

[dcweather]

3 hours ago, RonYarisX said:

Kipster said he was going to buy the car soon after collecting it therefore the only thing 2 things that matters to him are

1: the price of the car i.e. the price at which the dealer will sell the car for, and

2: the contribution the finance company are offering for buying one of their products.

Like Kipster, I couldn't care less about APRs and term lengths and deposits and monthly payments becaue all I need to work out what is and what isn't a good deal, are those two very simple pieces of information.

I have read that if you do that it impacts negatively on your credit rating because you are effectively breking the finance agreement, even if you settle in full. I'm not sure but I imagine the settement figure would include a fair amount of penalty interest if you did it immediately as well.

 

 

 

[anchorman]

16 hours ago, dcweather said:

Did you leave out "in your opinion"? by mistake. I have a Renault captur E-Tech Hybrid. It is exceptionally comfortable and highly specced. Happily does 60 mpg and I've never had a single fault. Nevertheless I have an open mind and if when I test drive the Toyota Cross and the MG4 I will happily change if I think they are superior despite them being way more expensive on a PCP. If renault are so bad it is odd that I have a £5k equity after two years having bought it with the £3k equity from the previous Captur!

It wasn’t a mistake.  I get weary of these car reviews when they show French cars as alternatives in the summing up.  The French are good at styling and that’s it.  They are only good at cooking if you want to hang it on the wall but useless if you are hungry.  All of the French brands are OK if you buy cars on a PCP but if you keep them for any length of time they are a ticking bomb.  Same to a lesser extent for the German brands - but they are fantastic when new and not mediocre.  The Japanese are the masters of mass production.  They tend to have bland styling but longevity comes as standard.

 

Not intended to offend you mate, it’s just years of being in the motor industry.