2006-2008 avensis 2.0 petrol or 2.2 diesel ?

[RanerX3]

Hi everyone,

I am looking to buy a 2006-2008 avensis, the millages are around 160,000-240,000km I see on the market both petrol 2.0 and diesel 2.0/2.2 engines.
looking on manual trans only.

which one of these motors is more reliable at this millage ?

I live in Sweden and we get -20c in the winter if it make any difference in choosing the engine ?

Thank you.

[RanerX3]

1 hour ago, RanerX3 said:

Hi everyone,

I am looking to buy a 2006-2008 avensis, the millages are around 160,000-240,000km I see on the market both petrol 2.0 and diesel 2.0/2.2 engines.
looking on manual trans only.

which one of these motors is more reliable at this millage ?

I live in Sweden and we get -20c in the winter if it make any difference in choosing the engine ?

Thank you.

cant edit so I will add here.
the diesel engine's are
2.2 D-4D D-CAT 177hp
2,0 D-4D 127hp
petrol:
2.0 D-4 VVTI-147hp

[Stivino]

I have the 2.2 D-4D D-CAT 177hp, it was always been the epitome of reliability as was the one I had before it.

Although, there are some people here who will tell you the opposite.

 I have also had the 2.0L diesel which was also very reliable.

I have no reason to believe the petrol engined models will be any less reliable.

 

[Konrad C]

Personally I wouldn't buy a Mk2 T25 now, especially in the UK and where I live in Greater London, since the diesel version is not ULEZ compliant! Does Sweden have similar laws against older diesels? On the other hand, if Sweden petrol is E10 with E5 being premium, then go for diesel. The AZ direct injection petrol engine is not compatible with E10 fuel! If you are not towing, what about 1.8 1ZZ petrol? 
The body a need to be corrosion free.  

[RanerX3]

32 minutes ago, Stivino said:

I have the 2.2 D-4D D-CAT 177hp, it was always been the epitome of reliability as was the one I had before it.

Although, there are some people here who will tell you the opposite.

 I have also had the 2.0L diesel which was also very reliable.

I have no reason to believe the petrol engined models will be any less reliable.

 

thanks for the answer, I was looking to which miles they get, I saw examples both petrol and diesel with 400-500K km so I guess both are very reliable ?

27 minutes ago, Konrad C said:

Personally I wouldn't buy a Mk2 T25 now, especially in the UK and where I live in Greater London, since the diesel version is not ULEZ compliant! Does Sweden have similar laws against older diesels? On the other hand, if Sweden petrol is E10 with E5 being premium, then go for diesel. The AZ direct injection petrol engine is not compatible with E10 fuel! If you are not towing, what about 1.8 1ZZ petrol? 
The body a need to be corrosion free.  

I live in the north part of sweden we dont have diesel bans.
I also saw some 1.8 for sale but it seems the 2.0 is more popular, also I tow some times and then it will come handy.

thanks for the info about the E10 I didn't know about it but it seems Sweden is switching to it this year.
what all the thousands of benzine car owners are going to do now if the fuel is not compatible with the cars ?

[Heidfirst]

can you get the 2.2 150bhp diesel 2AD-FTV? No DPF as in the 177bhp 2AD-FHV.

[joyne]

2.2 diesel? No way. Sooner or later you will have problems with the cylinder head.

[Stivino]

4 minutes ago, joyne said:

2.2 diesel? No way. Sooner or later you will have problems with the cylinder head.

I’ve not had trouble with mine yet. Or, the one before that or the one before that.  

[Heidfirst]

5 hours ago, joyne said:

2.2 diesel? No way. Sooner or later you will have problems with the cylinder head.

I had 2 (a T25 & a T27) with no problems.

[Husbandofstinky]

I would err on the side of caution and would go 2.0 as opposed to the 2.2 diesel.

There were significant head problems with the 2.2 hence the recall many years ago. I would assume that all those still remaining on the roads had the fix.

The 2.0 is notably more fuel efficient too. My thoughts was for the extra power trade off, the greater mpg was worth it. Not huge amounts (5mpg say). You takes your choice.

The only other consideration with the 2.2 is the DCAT which I would avoid personally. AFAIK this was only on the T180. 

Interesting point raised on the AZ 2.0 petrol engine an E10, now you know why there are more avaliable for sale.

 

[Jim-p]

The D4D is generally a solid power unit, although I've read about the heads on the 2.2. I drive a 2L T27 2011 one and the only thing my friendly Toyota dealer said to me was that the injectors may need to be replaced at some point which I'm not looking forward to €€€. I've 108k on mine but a friend has near 300k on theirs with no problems so hoping I have the same luck.

[petroleum]

On 9/29/2021 at 5:49 PM, Heidfirst said:

can you get the 2.2 150bhp diesel 2AD-FTV? No DPF as in the 177bhp 2AD-FHV.

Hi, 

when you quote No DPF with these engines do you mean they have no DPF filters to regenerate and if the general opinion is about cyl heads going at what milage or can it occur any time. Also wasnt there a scare with all engines especially the petrol models around these yrs untill 2007 or was it 2015 that they were heavy oil burners. ? As far as i know the 2.2 diesel is the only one around the yrs say 2003 to 2014 when the newer model came in and if you still wanted a petrol automatic it would only come as a 1.8 CVT.

I long for a proper automatic again like my old Carina E 1.8 which i was forced to trade in against a horrible little MMT 2014 Aygo but im confused if i trade down to something earler but not too old but more substanstial. Is a 2.2 cat auto up to say 2014? still a safe buy and maybe the answer if you see what i mean? 

[Auris James]

I had a 2006 Lexus IS 220D with the 2.2 diesel.

I hated the turbo lag, the 6th speed gear you couldn't use as would labour under 80mph and the awful economy. 32-36mpg. Liked comfort, build quality and colour. Ended up scrapping as head gasket went. Bubbling over in header tank and running out of vent pipe. 19 months I got out of it. Scrapped at 187,000miles. Picture the day before I scrapped it! I stick to petrol or Hybrid now.

Now have a Toyota Auris Hybrid.

 

[petroleum]

Yes, but you could hardly complain after doing 187,000miles!

[Stivino]

3 hours ago, Auris James said:

6th speed gear you couldn't use as would labour under 80mph

Operator error 😂

[petroleum]

Well.., perhaps thats why i would choose the automatic ....?😉

[Auris James]

8 hours ago, petroleum said:

Yes, but you could hardly complain after doing 187,000miles!

187,000 isn't much for a diesel. My 1989 Volvo 240 petrol and current petrol 1996 Volvo 940 auto, both have higher mileages and had no running issues. 240 sold at 234,000 and my 940 has 206,000. Lexus were detuning them to 150bhp to stop them blowing the HG and fitting new engines under warranty. 

I bought the Lexus on a wim for £1,475. Should of bought the IS250 V6. Hoping for better. My most expensive car until my Auris.

[petroleum]

Volvos for ever! ive had most of them except for the 240 series but this isent sorting out my dilema right now. Most car reviewers seem to think the Avensis petrol 1.8 CVT is an awful drive is there anyone here thats got one who would agree or dispute this? What about the earier Avensis models from 2003 up 2007 petrols 1.8 or 2ltr with the old auto box, but dont they suffer from excessive oil consumption.

Ive never really wanted a diesel with DPF problems anyway. One of my upside choices was to look out for a Mazda 2 skyactive model wihich has a proper torque converter box but they are so much more to buy. Im probably like you dont believe in paying out silly prices ...  

[Auris James]

My 2015 Auris Hybrid has the 1.8 with CVT. It's perfectly fine, nippy enough. The only diesel I would buy is the 1.4D4D. Had it in a Corolla and it was fine. I do like the old RWD Volvo's. You really need to go and drive the various engine/ models and see what you think. If it's not a Golf GTI then, motoring press not interested, and constantly slate the CVT. 

4 hours ago, petroleum said:

Volvos for ever! ive had most of them except for the 240 series but this isent sorting out my dilema right now. Most car reviewers seem to think the Avensis petrol 1.8 CVT is an awful drive is there anyone here thats got one who would agree or dispute this? What about the earier Avensis models from 2003 up 2007 petrols 1.8 or 2ltr with the old auto box, but dont they suffer from excessive oil consumption.

Ive never really wanted a diesel with DPF problems anyway. One of my upside choices was to look out for a Mazda 2 skyactive model wihich has a proper torque converter box but they are so much more to buy. Im probably like you dont believe in paying out silly prices ...  

[yossarian247]

3 minutes ago, Auris James said:

My 2015 Auris Hybrid has the 1.8 with CVT. It's perfectly fine, nippy enough. The only diesel I would buy is the 1.4D4D. Had it in a Corolla and it was fine. I do like the old RWD Volvo's. You really need to go and drive the various engine/ models and see what you think. If it's not a Golf GTI then, motoring press not interested, and constantly slate the CVT. 

Unfortunately the reliability of even that one was spoiled in later years by having a DPF fitted. Some tended to try to repeatedly regenerate their DPF, leading to the oil getting diluted with diesel.

[Auris James]

1 minute ago, yossarian247 said:

Unfortunately the reliability of even that one was spoiled in later years by having a DPF fitted. Some tended to try to repeatedly regenerate their DPF, leading to the oil getting diluted with diesel.

I think the mid to late 90's was the best for diesel reliability. Our 1.4 D4D corolla we bought new in 2007 when we were living in France. A shame the engine was fitted with a DPF in later years. I also hate buying a car with someone else's engine in it! Isn't the 2 litre diesel a BMW Engine?

[petroleum]

Yes, the 2015 onwards Avensis has a BMW diesel. So if you cant recommend an 2003 to 2007 petrol because? was it after 2007 they had finally cured the oil burning perhaps then i should try the later model with 1.8 perol and CTV transmission.

I know what you mean about the boy racer motoring press as its always has to be a manual their testing. You cant tear **** around like you once could anyany way as there is so much traffic and so no joy in it. Give me a proper relaxing auto now any day!