Great recent posting by "niee" HELP !

[Broadway One]

Hi......Energy Tariff for PHEV owners by niee.

Very informative & interesting posting on the details of leccy unit  v mpg cost.

Unfortunately I can't retrieve it; any ideas most welcome.

Barry Wright Lancashire  

[philip42h]

10 minutes ago, Broadway One said:

Hi......Energy Tariff for PHEV owners by niee.

Very informative & interesting posting on the details of leccy unit  v mpg cost.

Unfortunately I can't retrieve it; any ideas most welcome.

Barry Wright Lancashire  

I believe that he inadvertently fell foul of the advertising rules. Taken the wrong way, nlee's post could be read as an advertisement for a particular energy supplier and, worse still, he could be accused of touting for business by offering referrals! The post was nevertheless interesting and informative as you say. 🙂

There's a review of EV charging tariffs here which provides essentially the same information but note that some of the information presented may well be a little outdated by recent tariff changes - i.e. everything has got more expensive.

[nlee]

I posted it but then couldn't find it so thought I'd not posted properly, so I tried again (I still had the text) and confirmed it was there but it disappeared again shortly afterwards.

I can only assume it broke some forum rules but I never got any notification that it was removed. Maybe by naming the energy company it was considered advertising?

If you have any specific questions I can try to answer them.

[philip42h]

4 minutes ago, nlee said:

I posted it but then couldn't find it so thought I'd not posted properly, so I tried again (I still had the text) and confirmed it was there but it disappeared again shortly afterwards.

I can only assume it broke some forum rules but I never got any notification that it was removed. Maybe by naming the energy company it was considered advertising?

If you have any specific questions I can try to answer them.

I take it that the PHEV counts as an EV for the purposes of energy tariffs even though it still doesn't from the point of view of installing a charge point?

[nlee]

6 minutes ago, philip42h said:

I take it that the PHEV counts as an EV for the purposes of energy tariffs even though it still doesn't from the point of view of installing a charge point?

Yes, the PHEV does qualify for EV tariffs but it also does for the grant for a charger. There are lots of PHEVs on the eligible vehicles list, a lot with higher emissions than ours. However, the RAV4 PHEV isn't on the list yet so we can't get the grant. Someone else stated on here that the grants are bing removed for private home owners next spring and I think they might be right that the list may stop getting as regular updates.

It's just the grant towards vehicle purchase that only applies to full EVs

[nlee]

14 minutes ago, philip42h said:

I believe that he inadvertently fell foul of the advertising rules. Taken the wrong way, nlee's post could be read as an advertisement for a particular energy supplier and, worse still, he could be accused of touting for business by offering referrals! The post was nevertheless interesting and informative as you say. 🙂

There's a review of EV charging tariffs here which provides essentially the same information but note that some of the information presented may well be a little outdated by recent tariff changes - i.e. everything has got more expensive.

I think you are right. Nothing intentional but apologies if it was inappropriate and the only purpose of mentioning the referral was to potential save others money if they were to explore further. 

I've gone back through my history and found the text so I'll sanitise it later and repost.

Apologies again.

 

 

[ernieb]

21 minutes ago, nlee said:

I think you are right. Nothing intentional but apologies if it was inappropriate and the only purpose of mentioning the referral was to potential save others money if they were to explore further. 

I've gone back through my history and found the text so I'll sanitise it later and repost.

Apologies again.

I don’t think you really need apologise to much it was obviously done without any malice or personal gain in mind, I’d categorise that as an honest mistake, easy done.

[nlee]

Hopefully the compliant version....

 

I've just completed the switch of my energy supply for an EV tariff.

This might not the best time to change suppliers, especially if you still have a decent fixed rate deal but flexible, variable or standard tariffs are broadly similar across suppliers at the moment because of the price cap so if you are already on a standard tariff it might still work out. The cost per kWh on my new tariff from 00:30 to 04:30 is 5p/kWh. If all charging is done in that period it brings the cost per mile down to around 1.5p per mile compared to around 7p per mile on a standard tariff, or 13-14p per mile on petrol. The more you use EV, obviously the more you can save. If you fully charge on average every other day (or half charge every day) it saves around £480 per year versus a standard tariff. If you fully charge 5 days a week it's around £660 per year saving.

The daytime rates are normally a couple of p/kWh over the standard tariff so you have to understand your normal usage and consider the offset but unless you are a very high energy user, it is unlikely to swing the balance much (typical average household use is around 3000kwh so would cost around £60 more per year, and you could always set the washer or tumble dryer to come on in the 5p window!)

You can't get a full charge in the 4 hour window with the 3 pin plug charger so it makes sense to top up every night on the schedule. Even on a full charge, because the last bit tails off on charging rate, I've got mine timed so around 85% of the peak charging power is in the window. Obviously it works best for a 7kw charger when it takes about 2.5 hours for a full charge. Some suppliers offer alternatives where the window is slightly longer or different time bands but the cheaper rate increases slightly (around an extra 0.5p/kWh).

[ernieb]

I think I responded saying it looks very good under today’s energy costs. I recently managed to change mine for another fixed term this was around 6 weeks early but luckily just before the energy prices went off the scale.

I think your deal would be good if you had an adequate supply to enable things like the w/machine t/dryer etc could be set to come on during this period. It would also make sense if you had a 7KW charger as this would be done in 2h 40m maximum.

I’ve only got a 60A incoming supply and want a bit of head room, I’d feel happier if I could have this increased to 80 or 100A. I’ve checked out the free upgrade but I have an old type main fuse not the modern plastic type and they do not offer this in my case.

[Roy124]

Nigel, thanks for that, never occurred to me that there was an EV rate. 

[nlee]

1 hour ago, philip42h said:

I believe that he inadvertently fell foul of the advertising rules. Taken the wrong way, nlee's post could be read as an advertisement for a particular energy supplier and, worse still, he could be accused of touting for business by offering referrals! The post was nevertheless interesting and informative as you say. 🙂

There's a review of EV charging tariffs here which provides essentially the same information but note that some of the information presented may well be a little outdated by recent tariff changes - i.e. everything has got more expensive.

That's a good resource in the link that I used to research options. However, just a word of caution. It highlights the savings for charging your vehicle but isn't clear on the extra you will pay on your normal electricity usage. Some seem quite attractive but please remember to check the "day rate" and build this into your calculations.

[nlee]

If it helps anyone, I created a calculator (excel file) to work out the savings. I've modified my original to remove references to suppliers so all you have to do is to put your own figures in the yellow boxes. You should be able to get your estimated consumption from a bill but if you've been charging for a while it might be better to use an older one for reference. Your rates and standing charges should be on your most recent bill and you can get rates that may be available to you for your area from any of the supplier websites. If the result is green, it's a saving. If it's red, don't bother!

Please note, the savings assume all charging is done in the cheap period.

RAV4 PHEV Energy Cost Calculator.xlsx

 

[Broadway One]

4 hours ago, nlee said:

Yes, the PHEV does qualify for EV tariffs but it also does for the grant for a charger. There are lots of PHEVs on the eligible vehicles list, a lot with higher emissions than ours. However, the RAV4 PHEV isn't on the list yet so we can't get the grant. Someone else stated on here that the grants are bing removed for private home owners next spring and I think they might be right that the list may stop getting as regular updates.

It's just the grant towards vehicle purchase that only applies to full EVs

 

4 hours ago, philip42h said:

Hi......Energy Tariff for PHEV owners by niee.

Very informative & interesting posting on the details of leccy unit  v mpg cost.

Unfortunately I can't retrieve it; any ideas most welcome.

Barry Wright Lancashire  

Hi all.....big thanks for a good informative input/debate.

Some of you will be aware of my attempt to install 25 charging points in the car park of our block.

Costed infrastructure is now ready for presentation to the neighbours.

Thanks to this afternoon's read I am able to include the added value of EV charging at this, the 11th hour.    

Whilst I'm confident the product of choice will prove popular, I'm sure further information will help get the scheme over the line.Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol';">   

Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol';">I continue to be amazed just how much ignorance & misinformation there is out there about EV's & charging.

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[Roy124]

Barry, true.  We have been looking at new housing. One a converted Manor house with parking away from the house.  No charging points. 

Another a new build complex of row houses and apartments.  The terrace houses can park one car, not something large though, and share the space with wheelie bins (none visible).  Perfect location for EV, no facilities for charging.  "You can fit....."