Missing locking wheel nut

[Ruth Black]

Hello- hope this is ok to post. I have a 2017 Yaris (see photos).  I only realised after buying the car, the locking wheel nut or box was not in the vehicle- stupidly did not check when buying from the garage that it was there. Options I have been given are to find the code and order a replacement or get the wheel nuts drilled out and replaced. Does anyone have this style of wheel/ shape of locking wheel nut and would be able to send me a photo of the code on the wheel nut? I believe they could be ‘mcguard’ locking wheel nuts with spin collars. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

Ruth 

[FROSTYBALLS]

When did you buy the car? If within the last six months, under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 the selling dealer should be responsible for sorting this. This is regardless of ant warranty provided.

See 'your right to a repair or replacement' section of; https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-rights-act-aKJYx8n5KiSl

Aside from the above, a Toyota dealer may have a record of the key number in the service history.

[Ruth Black]

Hiya,

thanks for the reply. Unfortunately it’s been a few years since the car was bought. I’ve never had to change the tyres due to low mileage and also lockdown for the majority of the time I’ve had it so Arnold Clark won’t take anything to do with it unfortunately. 

I have tried Toyota directly and they unfortunately said the same about having to drill out the nuts (at substantial cost). I was sure they would have a master set but they said not. 
 

thanks again

ruth 

[Ruth Black]

I’ll try and phone Toyota again tomorrow and see if they might have it on the electronic service record- great idea thankyou!

[FROSTYBALLS]

How have the garage who service your car removed the wheels in the past - have they a master key? If so, can't they remove the locking nuts so you can buy a replacement set.

[Ruth Black]

Hiya,

It’s never had to have the wheel nuts removed- it’s only been serviced and mot’d once under our ownership and that’s when I realised it was missing. They said I’d have to book the car in and was unlikely they would have a match so would have to get them drilled out etc. Just trying to find an easier and cheaper way to sort it out. 
 

cheers 

ruth

[FROSTYBALLS]

You could see whether someone can match the key pattern from one of your images - for example:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REPLACEMENT-MCGARD-LOCKING-WHEEL-NUT-BOLT-KEY/332034140342?pageci=403e9873-5e96-4e02-9e30-ed91a15bfd71&redirect=mobile

https://mcgard.de/en/customer-service

https://www.lockingwheelnutkeys.co.uk/single-post/mcgard-wheel-nut-removal-service-from-44-provided-throughout-the-uk-and-europe-no-code-required

 

[Cyker]

Might be worth trying to contact the previous owner?

I suspect Toyota do have a way of removing them as I forgot to give them my locking wheel nut once but they still managed to get the wheels off...! But that was with Toyota locking nuts - I am not sure these are as they look different...

You can also try something like a Gatorgrip - https://www.amazon.co.uk/GATOR-GRIP-7-19mm-Multi-function-Universal/dp/B013E0T09Y

These were notorious for being able to remove locking nuts, but newer locking nuts use a smaller key width so the pins might be too thick to sink into them to grip.

[forkingabout]

Some RAC /  AA patrols have the kit for removing locking wheel bolts / nuts.

Some garages also have the required kit.

Either option will destroy the locking bolt / nut so replacements will be required.

[Ruth Black]

Thanks for all the suggestions I will make use of these thanks! Was trying to avoid the cost of having to get them drilled out and just get a replacement but if all else fails will just have to take it into the garage. 
 

thanks very much 😊

[Stivino]

Your local vehicle dismantler might have something to get them off.

In my local place, the guy who de-pollutes the end of life vehicles, keeps all the wheel nut keys that he finds in the boots and glove boxes of all the cars that pass through the yard, because he has to be able to get the alloys off undamaged , so that they can be sold in good condition.  It might be worth asking around before you do anything drastic.

 

[Starensis]

Surely Arnold Clark would have removed wheels during an inspection? If so, they would have had the wheel nut key.

Failing that, Toyota would be able to give you the key code, if you can prove ownership. Codes are recorded in manufacture, so should have it available.

[Ruth Black]

Hiya,

for the service that was done wheels were not removed. As said, car has very low mileage. Arnold Clark weren’t very helpful and are going to charge hundreds to get car in and remove.

Toyota told me they were not able to provide this anymore. 
 

thanks for the comments, hopefully someone has the same one and is able to provide the code. 

[MikeSh]

It's a common problem so there are of course companies that specifically provide removal services if you Google it, though they might be thin on the ground up there.

A local garage or workshop with welding capability would be worth an ask. (Often you can weld something on to the nut/bolt so it can be turned.)

[Guest]

I would expect any garage worth their salt or a tyre fitting establishment should have a way of removing them. Yes, they will be then unuseable.

Then, rather than refit a nut which requires a "key", just fit normal nuts. M12 x 1.5 of the correct type for the wheels. I could be wrong, usually am, but I don't think alloy wheel thefts are as prevelant as they used to be. The lowlifes seem to prefer catalytic converters at the moment!

[MikeSh]

20 minutes ago, mrpj1 said:

Yes, they will be then unuseable.

They are unusable already ... No key 🙂

[Parts-King]

Most dealers have a master "McGuard" set. They can remove the nut and you can order the replacement 

[Ruth Black]

Thanks- yes most garages will have a master set but have been quoted silly money for them to look at it to see if they have a match. Works out way cheaper if I can get a replacement- might not be possible but thought here might be best place to ask in case anyone had same one 😊

many thanks

Ruth 

 

[Starensis]

Speak to Toyota customer services. They will be able to help out with key type.

[Bernard Foy]

21 hours ago, Ruth Black said:

Hello- hope this is ok to post. I have a 2017 Yaris (see photos).  I only realised after buying the car, the locking wheel nut or box was not in the vehicle- stupidly did not check when buying from the garage that it was there. Options I have been given are to find the code and order a replacement or get the wheel nuts drilled out and replaced. Does anyone have this style of wheel/ shape of locking wheel nut and would be able to send me a photo of the code on the wheel nut? I believe they could be ‘mcguard’ locking wheel nuts with spin collars. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

Ruth 

I was once in exactly the same predicament. So here’s how I got the locking nut off. I hammered on a socket unto the locking nut and and used an extension bar to unscrew the locking nut. Sounds crude and drastic but it worked.

[Bernard Foy]

12 minutes ago, Bernard Foy said:

I was once in exactly the same predicament. So here’s how I got the locking nut off. I hammered on a socket unto the locking nut and and used an extension bar to unscrew the locking nut. Sounds crude and drastic but it worked.

Well I couldn’t figure another way to get it done, necessity being the mother of invention and poverty being the father. That’s another one of my home made up “Old Japanese Proverbs”.😝😃

[Gerg]

In our older Auris (2013), a pair of white cards was tucked into the back of the service booklet.  These are about half the size of a postcard.  One has the contact details of a supplier of a new wheel key, the other card has your unique key code.  On this car, that number is 3 digits, starting with a '4' in our case.

Someone hasn't put these cards in your service book (if you have one) by chance?  Or written it in, helpfully, in the back of the service book, or even the owners manual?

The company's website (evoautomotive.com) insists on starting out with your key code, as you perhaps know, but there is a telephone number - maybe an automated call handling system, but maybe not, perhaps giving you an opportunity to explain your predicament!? :-  01908 646566  It's in Milton Keynes, fwiw.

[Ruth Black]

Bernard this is exactly what my husband is threatening to do and I fear it will end up with a much larger bill when something else gets smashed in the process 😂😂😂

[Ruth Black]

Thanks Gerg- I will go and check out the service book for that info. 
 

thanks!

[TonyHSD]

21 minutes ago, Ruth Black said:

Thanks Gerg- I will go and check out the service book for that info. 
 

thanks!

Hi, 

if you on a hurry to get these nuts off the car without damage anything even them, you can do that with simple trick. Use standard 1/2 bit slightly smaller diameter than the nut itself, 16mm 17mm or 18mm for example, use a hammer to snap it on and use a breaker bat to undo. You can get those of all 4 wheels and replace with new set of nuts or standard ones. 
Good luck