petrol consumption 1,0

[haelewyn]

I noticed I am on the high end of fuel consumtion now with my first cycle ending in 5.7 liter per 100 km (49.55 mpg) consumption and my best effort with 4.6 liter (61.4 mpg) per 100 km.

Any of you guys and girls who want to share their consumption numbers ?
Any ideas ?

If consumption is not normal, I need to learn to rev the engine less I guess.
I did buy the car in november, which is always worse than summer for consumption.
It's obvious that town driving will produce a higher number and bigger roads a better one.

From what i read on a specialised database where users fill in all their fuel numbers, these are the figures :

max average 5,69     minimum average

4,30

average of all users  4,84

[flash22]

That's about right, manufactures figures are done in a controlled lab not the real world, the engine hasn't even broken in yet

[Guest]

In all the 12 years I've owned an Aygo (or equivalent Citroen C1) both manual and MMT my long term average is 45mpg (5.22 l/100km) with very little seasonal variation. I don't drive slowly, neither am I a 'hooligan' but I do like to make good progress within the speed limits.

[dartrader1997]

Recently did a 500 mile round trip from Prestatyn to North Walsham in Norfolk, no motorway mainly dual carrageway A55, A500, A52, A17, A149, A148 basically straight across and shortest route and got 55.6 MPG. Was expecting a little more but considering two adults and a very large case on board and wasn't hanging about speed wise, limit where safe to do so I guess it's not too bad. My Aygo has 62,000 on the clock and regulary serviced, I use 5W40 oil as it runs a little quieter.

[fordulike]

1 hour ago, PetrolDave said:

In all the 12 years I've owned an Aygo (or equivalent Citroen C1) both manual and MMT my long term average is 45mpg (5.22 l/100km) with very little seasonal variation. I don't drive slowly, neither am I a 'hooligan' but I do like to make good progress within the speed limits.

Same figures as Dave. The engine does need to worked hard on occasions to make meaningful progress, so that can affect overall economy.

In particular, I sometimes have to rev the nuts off it in 2nd, as 3rd gear is just too long and stunts acceleration 😬

[Guest]

1 hour ago, fordulike said:

In particular, I sometimes have to rev the nuts off it in 2nd, as 3rd gear is just too long and stunts acceleration 😬

The gap between 2nd and 3rd is much more noticeable in my 2020 model than it was in my 2008 model.

[Dave the aygo]

I get about 47 miles out of mine 

The last one I got about 51 miles 

Not sure if they have done anything to the engine that's why it has reduced the miles to the gallon 

[powerman]

The lower fuel consumption maybe due to your new car running on E10, where your previous one was predominantly run on E5 fuel. I could be wrong however.

thomas

[haelewyn]

2 hours ago, Dave the aygo said:

I get about 47 miles out of mine 

The last one I got about 51 miles 

Not sure if they have done anything to the engine that's why it has reduced the miles to the gallon 

Indeed..   petrol is mixed with alcohol and there was an EGR installed.

Don't know if there are other differences.

Engine not broken in : I am at 2000 km now. Not much, I know 🙂However with previous cars, my petrol consumption never decreased after time. On the contrary. I am usually very careful with a new car, hesitating to use the throttle. And that attitude changes after time.

I did go down from 132 hp to 70 and I was kind of wondering if i don't compensate too much by pushing the throttle a lot more.

Seasonal influence: I think especially on short distances it matters. Starting the car from cold many times makes the consumption go up. That plays more at 5 degrees outside than at 25 degrees.

[analoguesean]

In my 107 I get between 57 and 49 to the gallon that's the 1 litre manual. A lot of my driving is steady dual carriageway so that helps a lot and it's not too hilly. It's hard to be objective with your own driving though. 

[haelewyn]

9 hours ago, flash22 said:

That's about right, manufactures figures are done in a controlled lab not the real world, the engine hasn't even broken in yet

I got the numbers from a Holland website where users fill in every fuel buy along with the kilometers they drove, cost price, etc.
That's a smaller one but it has nothing to do with lab circumstances. it's real life consumption from many individual buyers.

Here's an example for a German website that has even more drivers reporting to the database.

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/uebersicht/49-Toyota/773-Aygo.html?fueltype=2&constyear_s=2018&constyear_e=2021&gearing=1&powerunit=2

 

 

[haelewyn]

5 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

The gap between 2nd and 3rd is much more noticeable in my 2020 model than it was in my 2008 model.

This week I had a problem driving in 5th while wanting to overtake a lorry, coming on to the highway.
I'm not gonna use 5 any more for that if I can remember well.

When coming on a dual carriageway, I needed to go into traffic fast. It's noticable that you can go a long way in second gear.
Easily up to 90 or more km/h.
Going to 3 too soon makes you kind of hold back and be in everybody's way.
Still didn't get used to that..

[fordulike]

12 hours ago, haelewyn said:

This week I had a problem driving in 5th while wanting to overtake a lorry, coming on to the highway.
I'm not gonna use 5 any more for that if I can remember well.

When coming on a dual carriageway, I needed to go into traffic fast. It's noticable that you can go a long way in second gear.
Easily up to 90 or more km/h.
Going to 3 too soon makes you kind of hold back and be in everybody's way.
Still didn't get used to that..

Never understood why they made the gearing between 2nd and 3rd so long. It really can leave you in a dangerous situation, when joining dual carriageways and motorways from slip roads with inclines 👀

[haelewyn]

There's a lot I don't understand about the Aygo design, I must admit.
I guess it's all brought down to price, one way or the other.
The 2nd gear being good at higher speeds can, in some cases, be an advantage I guess..
If I remember well, it has a theoretical maximum of around 110 km/h.
Maybe some older folks can drive in 2 all day but need to get the clutch changed after 10.000 km 🙂

[Catlover]

Sounds like the 2nd gear would come in handy for city driving, Less gear changes to do.

[haelewyn]

For older folks, if you manage to get it rolling every time it's a semi automatic. No more gear changes. 

City driving, going on B roads from Birmingham to Manchester in 2nd : its all possible !

(Just kidding)

[Cyker]

Ha! Sounds like my old Mk1 Yaris D4D! You could put it in 4th and do anything from 20mph to 60+  

How high are you revving it? I remember having to use a lot of the high-end of the rev-range in the Aygo if I wanted to make it shift...! Took a lot of getting used to for the brief time I had it as, being a diesel driver at the time, high revs were anathema to me, so for the first few days I was constantly stalling the damned thing until I got over it and started venturing past 3000!

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, Cyker said:

Ha! Sounds like my old Mk1 Yaris D4D! You could put it in 4th and do anything from 20mph to 60+ 

My previous Audi RS4 would do 20mph to 170mph in 6th gear! I only used gears 1, 3 and 6 unless I was in a hurry...

[haelewyn]

42 minutes ago, Cyker said:

 

How high are you revving it?

 

A little less than this one 😅

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OtJ0Szy3pZM

 

[haelewyn]

On 2/19/2022 at 4:57 PM, Cyker said:

Ha! Sounds like my old Mk1 Yaris D4D! You could put it in 4th and do anything from 20mph to 60+  

How high are you revving it? I remember having to use a lot of the high-end of the rev-range in the Aygo if I wanted to make it shift...! Took a lot of getting used to for the brief time I had it as, being a diesel driver at the time, high revs were anathema to me, so for the first few days I was constantly stalling the damned thing until I got over it and started venturing past 3000!

I feel more it's a burden to drive off without revving too much.
Especially on colder days, I still don't have the hang of it and it feels like having to learn how to drive a car again.

I installed a numeric rev counter but that has a slow refresh rate. I can easily see it's not always easy to stay below 2000 rpm when driving off.

In cases where I have to go fast, I do go over 5000 rpm but usually I prefer fuel economy and try to drive calm and looking far ahead, almost hypermiling style.
Going on a highway, on an incline : you have to rev it or it's plain dangerous. You won't get anywhere by shifting to a higher gear at 2000 rpm as the indicator tells you to do.
They could as well leave the indicator out imho. It's completely useless.

[Cyker]

Yeah, most people consider the shift indicator to be at best misleading and at worst potentially damaging to the engine. It's like they put the diesel shift profile into petrol cars by mistake  

I always found I had to get used to shifting a lot in smaller engine'd petrol cars, esp. as most of the power is in the top end, but don't be too concerned about the revs - It's a jappy engine so it can take it (Just keep an eye on the oil levels more regularly!)

I just wish they'd fixed the clutch in the Aygo by now - It would be a lot easier to move off with lower revs if the clutch wasn't so bad - Its high biting point and zero feedback make it quite challenging to drive even compared to the heavier Mk2 Yaris which had the same engine.

[haelewyn]

On 2/19/2022 at 4:57 PM, Cyker said:

 

The engine can handle it but the clutch... 🙂 😉

 

Adding to the story that the slightest touch to the throttle makes it stagger and rev up too much. And it's not easy at all with the biting point to make it drive off without throttle. Therefor it is too much grab or loose on a mm with the pedal feeling.

I need time. Will get used to it ...

I have a disease that makes me lose feeling in toes and feet (neuropathy) and that doesn't make it easier.

Wish I could sell mine without loss and buy the CVT Aygo X. 🙂

[Catlover]

Somehow I will have to get a drive of a modern Aygo and try the clutch. The wife had a 56 plate C1 which I often drove and had no problem, even though at that time I had diesels only for the previous 16 years (and for the next 10 years).

I do remember back in 2015 we went to a Hyundai dealer to look cat an i30 diesel hatch. But in the showroom was the new style i20 petrol, actually it had been driven by the sales lady dealing with us. I showed a big internet in this i20, but the sales lady asked how long had I been driving a diesel for, then it was about 25 years.  She said you probably wouldn’t like driving a petrol. I presume that was because the diesel has low down torque and petrol need more revs ie the Aygo.  Of course now in the hybrids they very often start on Battery so immediate talk.

[Catlover]

7 minutes ago, haelewyn said:

 

Wish I could sell mine without loss and buy the CVT Aygo X. 🙂

Try it… see what someone like Motorway will give you. Someone may go for an up to 12 month car rather then wait for a new build. That’s the way it is these days.

We have had our Auris hybrid 4.5 years and an indicator was up to only £200 less I aid for it in July 2017. All depends on condition of course

[haelewyn]

4 minutes ago, Catlover said:

Try it… see what someone like Motorway will give you. Someone may go for an up to 12 month car rather then wait for a new build. That’s the way it is these days.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking about. Second hand Toyota's go crazy prices.
I did get a good discount on this one. So if somebody pays me around the price I paid for it in november, it's out of the door 🙂