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[IanML]

7 hours ago, VladMD said:

Name me wars where Russia was involved as an invader?

There are plenty.  Just off the top of my head - the Finland Winter War (Russia lost), the invasions of Poland in the 1920s (Russia lost), the forcible annexations of the Baltic States, the invasion of Eastern Poland in 1940 (co-ordinated with "National Socialist" (can't say N.zi) Germany who invaded the Western part), the overthrow of Czechoslovakia's democratic post-war government, the suppression of Czechoslovakia's "Prague Spring" and of the Hungarian Uprising,,,,,the list goes on.  And you can bet that all those countries are on Putin's list for him to discover N.zis or some other blatantly lying pretext to "justify" his megalomaniac ambitions.

 

[FROSTYBALLS]

Toyota suspends Russian production:  https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/honda-suspend-automobile-motorcycle-exports-russia-nhk-2022-03-02/

[TonyHSD]

No joke that in each of our hybrids there is a Russian Nickel and since the war began the price of nickel has risen and now not only we will see further waiting for new cars but also the spike in hybrids batteries thefts. In US is on the rise soon probably here and the rest of Europe.
https://apple.news/Ajq8CsZlrQHOOU36Z5z5X0g 

[Yugguy1970]

It's true, the price of such metals will go up as Russia is a major provider of these.

This whole thing makes me so angry, to see the human suffering that it is causing.

We may have made some mistakes when dealing with Putin but the only person who wanted this war is him, it's all being driven by one insane bloke stewing in a room in the Kremlin.

[Flatcoat]

On 2/25/2022 at 11:39 PM, IanML said:

There are plenty.  Just off the top of my head - the Finland Winter War (Russia lost), the invasions of Poland in the 1920s (Russia lost), the forcible annexations of the Baltic States, the invasion of Eastern Poland in 1940 (co-ordinated with "National Socialist" (can't say N.zi) Germany who invaded the Western part), the overthrow of Czechoslovakia's democratic post-war government, the suppression of Czechoslovakia's "Prague Spring" and of the Hungarian Uprising,,,,,the list goes on.  And you can bet that all those countries are on Putin's list for him to discover N.zis or some other blatantly lying pretext to "justify" his megalomaniac ambitions.

 

Yes. You should talk to people in former communist countries about their views of Russia. Very few comments that you would share in front of children. My stepson lived in Moscow for 6 years and saw the gradual effect of Putins leadership. I just hope Toyota, VW, Hyundai and others pull out of Russia permanently. As for Renault and Lada, given Macrons pathetic posturing I doubt they will. 

[Catlover]

2 hours ago, Flatcoat said:

Yes. You should talk to people in former communist countries about their views of Russia. Very few comments that you would share in front of children. My stepson lived in Moscow for 6 years and saw the gradual effect of Putins leadership. I just hope Toyota, VW, Hyundai and others pull out of Russia permanently. As for Renault and Lada, given Macrons pathetic posturing I doubt they will. 

Russia will probably seize factories and machinery if any business wants to pull out.  Same with McDonalds etc, they will come under Russian ownership. They already done this some a few years ago.

[Hornet3D]

This reminds me of many years ago when I did tour of the Rocks in Australia and the guide covered the history of the docks and the slave ships that arrived in from Britain with so many dead slaves on board, the contract was to transport them not to keep them alive.  Later he apologised to me as I was from Britain, he had made the assumption because I was from the UK I would support the British action.  We left on good terms when I explained that I was ashamed of how Britain had treated Australia and common wealth countries in the past.

While I condemn the war but we are in danger of blaming the Russian people, some do support the war but I suspect many average Russians just believe the Russian media and those that don't are afraid to say anything with good reason.

I feel just as sorry for the staff in Russians McDonalds as I do for those in the UK that continue to lose their jobs after covid and those who's jobs are at risk as the impact of the war plays out.

I for one recognise how lucky I am to be able to afford a new car and being retired with a state pension and a private pension I built up over many years.  I am not immune to the cost of living rise but I am not only able to have a new car on the driveway I am not looking at being made homeless, not yet at least.   

 

[Stopeter44]

40 minutes ago, Hornet3D said:

I for one recognise how lucky I am to be able to afford a new car and being retired with a state pension and a private pension I built up over many years.  I am not immune to the cost of living rise but I am not only able to have a new car on the driveway I am not looking at being made homeless, not yet at least.   

I was irritated by some of the other comments on this thread, but felt that expressing my irritation would get me nowhere. (The great thing about writing, one has time to self moderate).

I share the sentiment that you have expressed, and feel very lucky to be in a similar position to you, although sometimes I reckon it's more because of good luck than personal judgement and planning.

[Hornet3D]

19 minutes ago, Stopeter44 said:

I was irritated by some of the other comments on this thread, but felt that expressing my irritation would get me nowhere. (The great thing about writing, one has time to self moderate).

I share the sentiment that you have expressed, and feel very lucky to be in a similar position to you, although sometimes I reckon it's more because of good luck than personal judgement and planning.

I understand your viewpoint, in my case it I was not irritated as you can get much stronger views by watching whichever news feed you wish to choose, I guess it was more a attempt put a pause in there so there was a chance to stop and think.

It was certainly luck I am in this position, never great at school, never went to university but was lucky enough that one of my father's friends worked for British Telecom and found his work stories interesting.   Also lucky enough to be born at a time when apprenticeships were around and to be selected for one at BT.  For all it faults the training on BT was first class and continuous, I never went a year without going on a training course and one year did seven.   You never got out of the training mode and with privatisation I found that BT personnel were well regarded.   End result I changed companies, spent a couple of years in Sweden and a few more visiting Australia, Finland, Iceland, France, Denmark and Holland, mainly doing training at that time which I loved.  Heady heights for someone from secondary school who failed his eleven plus and only appeared to have one skill, being at the right place at the right time, or more likely, I had a guardian angel who worked endlessly on my behalf.

[Stopeter44]

13 minutes ago, Hornet3D said:

Being at the right place at the right time,

Yep, ain't that the truth!

[TonyHSD]

7 hours ago, Flatcoat said:

Yes. You should talk to people in former communist countries about their views of Russia. Very few comments that you would share in front of children. My stepson lived in Moscow for 6 years and saw the gradual effect of Putins leadership. I just hope Toyota, VW, Hyundai and others pull out of Russia permanently. As for Renault and Lada, given Macrons pathetic posturing I doubt they will. 

Most of these people support putin and his war against the west. I know a country that is also a nato member but over 50% of its population support Putin and look at him as someone who is doing things for their own good. No further comments,….

[Cyker]

None of the russians I know support him, and from what I hear the ones that do are mostly doing so because of all the false propaganda their media tell them. It's not like we've not experienced that - Remember all the huge benefits and wonderful things 'everyone' was saying would happen if we voted to leave the EU?

We are constantly subjected to manipulation through the media, through advertising, everything - Sometimes it's hard to know what is true or real and what isn't. Do you remember that time people thought the spaghetti trees were real? And that was a blatant April Fools joke - If it's your leaders telling you something is true, who are you to question?

If we want anything to change, we need to let the sane russians know we have their back and give them the confidence to overthrow their corrupt regime, not throw them to the wolves with all the crazy ones.

 

[Flatcoat]

16 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

Most of these people support putin and his war against the west. I know a country that is also a nato member but over 50% of its population support Putin and look at him as someone who is doing things for their own good. No further comments,….

Which poeple? Do you do business with people in Eastern Europe countries? 

[Catlover]

Could be Hungary, or Slovakia, maybe Romania or Bulgaria. I think the 3 Balkan countries in the Eu are toward the west and happy.

[TonyHSD]

7 hours ago, Flatcoat said:

Which poeple? Do you do business with people in Eastern Europe countries? 

The populations of these Eastern European countries, most of the people believe that Putin does the right thing and this war is indeed to free Ukrainian people from their corrupt government and to stop Ukraine joining the nato. All the news we are watching here in UK are turned upside down by eastern media and broadcasted on various places like Facebook and YouTube, people are watching and brainwashing themselves. Not that the west doesn’t do the same but that is another matter, I personally don’t believe or trust anyone, especially politicians or military and I know that when a war has started the first thing that had been lost is the truth.
And yes, I know people from Eastern Europe, happened to be my friends and family, I also speak their languages and can understand them clearly what they said when they talk., pretty much all of them except the three Baltic countries. ✌️

[Catlover]

I too have friends from Ukraine and Poland, those from Ukraine are in despair because family and friends are still there, and those from Poland are concerned it could be Poland next (though I doubt that)

[Hornet3D]

48 minutes ago, Catlover said:

I too have friends from Ukraine and Poland, those from Ukraine are in despair because family and friends are still there, and those from Poland are concerned it could be Poland next (though I doubt that)

I really do hope you are correct, my brother has been living in Poland for something like ten years now and has married a girl from Lithuania it is hard for them both at the moment.

[Flatcoat]

4 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

The populations of these Eastern European countries, most of the people believe that Putin does the right thing and this war is indeed to free Ukrainian people from their corrupt government and to stop Ukraine joining the nato.

Rubbish, utter rubbish. What utter trashing of the truth. 

Edited March 17, 2022 by Flatcoat

[Catlover]

5 minutes ago, Flatcoat said:

Rubbish, utter rubbish. What utter trashing of the truth. 

"We" in the west see it as utter rubbish, what Tony was stating was the feelings of eastern European countries. There are some countries in the EU where a large part of the population are not happy their country is in the EU and want to "belong" to Russia.

[Hornet3D]

15 minutes ago, Catlover said:

"We" in the west see it as utter rubbish, what Tony was stating was the feelings of eastern European countries. There are some countries in the EU where a large part of the population are not happy their country is in the EU and want to "belong" to Russia.

And I imagine a few that are not happy their country is in the EU but don't want to "belong" to Russia.

[Catlover]

Of course, I didnt say otherwise. I was quoting what I heard/read.

[Cyker]

Well there are some - Belarus is a well known supporter of the Russian 'regime', but even amongst Russians the ones that have internet connections and have alternative sources of information know what's really going on and definitely don't support the war. So many of them are being arrested for speaking out - It's like what happened in Hong Kong.

Even their news media people are just quitting because they can't handle having it on their conscience, and loads of conscripts are defecting or surrendering when they realise what's going on and their conscience outweighs their orders.

This is all being driven from the top. And I still don't understand what Putin hopes to gain from this - Ukraine doesn't have anything worth ruining Russia's economy and standing in the world for.

 

[TonyHSD]

57 minutes ago, Flatcoat said:

Rubbish, utter rubbish. What utter trashing of the truth. 

It’s just the reality and you have it from someone who understandtheir language and beliefs. I am not saying if they are right or wrong, it’s their personal opinion and choice either been stupid, brainwashed or simply feel for the time their country including Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union. The conflict there has been going on for a long time , but I am not really interested though or understand politics or military, I understand Toyota hybrids, that’s all✌️🚗🔋