Brake Parts and Fitting Kit Question

[Guest]

Hello, I have just ordered new discs and pads for my Avensis D4-D 1.6 1WW.  From the Toyota eBay store to make sure there are no doubts about the quality / authenticity. £230 - not a bad total for front and back.

My query since I'm new to Toyota is, with the genuine parts, do they come with the little metal guides that sit on top and bottom of the pad, and anything else that is best practice to replace / put there to avoid things like sticking / squealing / backing plate falling off the friction material?

 

The brake parts ordered are:

Front Disc 43512-0F030 (same as factory part)

Front Pads 04465-YZZEH (different from factory part ~ 04465-0F012)

Rear Disc 42431-05070 (same as factory part)

Rear Pads 04466-YZZE5 (different from factory part ~ 04466-05043)

 

Note: the pads are 'Optifit', I presume this is the non factory part or 'maintenance part' but I wonder what the quality difference is... 'YZZ' in the code (according to the Car Care Nut guy) means 'slightly lower quality / value' range, but still sold as genuine. I wonder if there are practical implications for things like dust, squealing or durability in these parts.  Anyone here know definitively what 'Optifit' means?

Note 2: Looking on Toyota's eBay store, they had some disc and pad sets which worked out more and it wasn't clear if they were the right fit for my car. I messaged them and they gave me those part numbers above and specified 'even though this says Verso / Corolla' this fits your car, so I hope they are right in that!

Note 3: For anyone else wondering, my local dealer quoted me around £360 including VAT for parts. Not sure if it was 'Optifit' pads, maybe the factory counterpart... but this meant eBay official store was a better choice. But in the dealers defence, they said they do keep them in stock all the time to collect immediately since it's a common job for them which might be of interest to any of you wanting it done 'now' at any cost.

 

I was really tempted to go for the EBC discs and 'green stuff' pads, but I'm not sure it's necessary for a car like the Avensis (even though I am quite sore on the brake pedal), I saw a few other forums online including a GT86 one where there seems to be a popular opinion on how not worthwhile these are. I think genuine is the best option for quality / performance / price here. It might sound sad, but I'm so excited to fit these!  My car was ex-lease so I reckon it's been aggressively driven / brakes given a good thrashing periodically, so it'll be nice to see how it brakes when refreshed.. The front discs and pads are not the originals so in the first 50k miles / 3 years I'd say it's had heavy braking a lot (just a guess - going by time with the rental Merc lol)

[Stivino]

I don't think they will come with a fitting kit.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Stivino said:

I don't think they will come with a fitting kit.

Just got a call back from my Toyota dealer, asked him if there was an accessory / fitting / shim kit for this model and he said no, anything like that will come with the pads - I hope he's right but I wouldn't hold my breath.

I saw various fitting kits on the official eBay store for Toyota, but none for the last model of Avensis. I have also asked them the question on there - if they confirm, then I will be happy that there is no kit / or the parts come with the pads.

I will, of course, update you all and post photos of the parts too when they come.

 

[Auris James]

Optifit is Toyota's cheaper parts range. I haven't any experience apart from Wiper Blades.

I recently fitted new front disks and pads to my 96 Volvo 940. I looked at genuine Volvo disks then saw Brembo disks half price at euro car parts. From memory 50% off. Think they cost me £55 the pair. Previously had Eicher premium disks that were fine for 4 years until warped under braking. Hope the Brembo disks last a bit longer/don't warp. All didn't include a fitting kit.

 James.

[Stivino]

It is possible that they will come with a fitting kit but, I've not had a fitting kit with a set of pads for many, many years.

I've been fitting Juratek for a while now, they are an excellent combination of quality and price.

[Cyker]

Toyota pads are supposed to come with all the brake 'hardware', but EBC ones deffo don't.

I used EBC discs and pads on my old Yaris D4Ds and they had good stopping power and feel, and broke in really quickly, but also wore down fairly quickly. The 'low dust' claim was a load of cobblers, but it washed out fairly easily.

The best pads for that car were the factory Toyota Akebono ones - dust was virtually nonexistent, and the first change I did was with those in the old dealership, but when that dealer closed and become this current one they would always fit optifit Textar ones which were rubbish (braked okay but loads of dust and was harder to wash off). Never used them after that and just DIY'd with EBC stuff.

[2009joe]

28 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Toyota pads are supposed to come with all the brake 'hardware', but EBC ones deffo don't.

I used EBC discs and pads on my old Yaris D4Ds and they had good stopping power and feel, and broke in really quickly, but also wore down fairly quickly. The 'low dust' claim was a load of cobblers, but it washed out fairly easily.

The best pads for that car were the factory Toyota Akebono ones - dust was virtually nonexistent, and the first change I did was with those in the old dealership, but when that dealer closed and become this current one they would always fit optifit Textar ones which were rubbish (braked okay but loads of dust and was harder to wash off). Never used them after that and just DIY'd with EBC stuff.

i got genuine toyota break pads and on them sayed toyota Textar  so guessing that company provided for toyota .tbh i didnt have any problems with my so called genuine toyota (Textar) pads they came from a genuine toyota seller online ebay 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283651078460

[flash22]

Pad compound is made to what ever the OEM requires Texar and Mintex are completely different compounds, but both are made by TDM Friction - oem for a lot of marques inc Toyota

[2009joe]

3 hours ago, flash22 said:

Pad compound is made to what ever the OEM requires Texar and Mintex are completely different compounds, but both are made by TDM Friction - oem for a lot of marques inc Toyota

what onnes do you recommend boss i had nothing but bother with my last car a  vw 1.9tdi with break discs warping that was the main reason i got rid of it was not until i got rid of it i came to a conclusion what my mistake was .it was buying my parts from those motor factors 

[flash22]

Never had any issues with Mintex or Brembo

[Cyker]

Yeah I believe Textar are the main supplier of optifit pads to Toyota in europe.

They stopped the car okay, but compared to the OE Akebono ones I found them squeakier and much more dusty, so I was like why pay dealer prices for such pads when I could get similarly performing EBC or Brembo pads or even just get actual Textar or Pagid ones for less money.

For jappy-built cars (back then at least), the standard brakes were usually Akebono or Sumitomo, but they're expensive as they ship from japan (I assume)

Not actually sure what the Mk4 uses as standard (Can't even check because of the steel rims  ), but will probably be on the car for a very long time if hybrid brake longevity is to be believed!

I find EBC pads to be very gentle on the brake discs and give good stopping power when cold, but they do tend to wear faster. EBC brake discs are quite nice, but I always phone whoever I'm buying them from to make sure they give me the coated discs instead of backstock of uncoated discs.

(The coated ones are great as you don't need to use degreaser on them before use, and the hubs don't start to rust anywhere near as quickly, whereas the uncoated discs have the usual layer of oil to stop them corroding, and you have to degrease them thoroughly, but then after a month the unprotected hubs and edges of the disc are all horrible and rusty.)

[Stivino]

I've had these on the front for nearly three years, they are also coated and look like new.  £62/pair is not to be sniffed at but I think I paid less than that.

I have them paired with the same brand of pads which come with The Initial Performance Strip. £18

£80 for new discs and pads, a bargain.

 

[Guest]

23 hours ago, Stivino said:

I've had these on the front for nearly three years, they are also coated and look like new.  £62/pair is not to be sniffed at but I think I paid less than that.

I have them paired with the same brand of pads which come with The Initial Performance Strip. £18

£80 for new discs and pads, a bargain.

 

I got Bosch discs and pads for my DS3 last year for around £90 all in. Think it was £140 for the rears (TRW Lucas parts). I went with those brands because they made the callipers on that model 

[Guest]

I'm not sure if the Toyota brake discs will be coated in the middle... some of the stock pics on the eBay listings suggest so...

Copper grease - that's the correct stuff for the back of each pad, the 'ears' of each pad, and the centre of the disc front and back - isn't it? 

I don't expect there will be any stuck calliper sliding pins needing taken out and given any attention to - if there is it'll be a surprise and will be dealt with at the time. But nothing is wearing unevenly or heating up to the point of showing a visual burn mark..

And... some of my favourite stuff, ''brake cleaner'' spray.  That stuff is like magic!  There can never be too much.

Debating on whether or not to paint the callipers black and get some 'Toyota' white stickers. Personally as long as it's subtle I think it'd be nice (wouldn't go red or stick 'GR' stickers on it lol).  Only thing putting me off is waiting for the drying time when I have four discs / pads to do and the concern that if I don't perfectly get them sanded down, the paint might peel or something... and technically, would the paint not make the callipers less effective at cooling compared to the bare metal? (or is the impact of this so small, it makes no real difference in practice?)

One more thing... I had the brake fluid flushed and replaced by Toyota in January.  Since my brakes are half wore down (not insanely thin pads or discs yet) I wonder will four new discs and pad sets cause this to overflow?   IS the system such that it will - if it is forced - overflow safely (so long as I prepare with some rags around the resevoir to stop it dripping onto delicate engine parts) or will I need to preemptively suck some out and store it as a reasonable measure before starting the job?

[Guest]

Brakes came today... Aren't I an idiot.. I ordered one of each disc (one front, one rear)........assumed they came in pairs like the pads must by law.  Ordered another two.... brings the price up to the same as the dealer - about £2 difference.... £365 all in it'll be now. 

One thing I'm annoyed about......the rear disc has a Bosch logo stamped on the edge clearly... (the round circular logo, not the word). Yet they all came in a Toyota Genuine / Lexus Genuine parts box. I might return them because of this.... it'd be cheaper to actually buy Bosch ones if that's what I have to settle for...

[Stivino]

Like this?  Inside the box in the middle, it says Pagid.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Stivino said:

Like this?  Inside the box in the middle, it says Pagid.

No, the pads are all clearly marked Toyota. It's the discs 😕 

 

[Stivino]

I understand what you're saying.  My point was that the pad I have shown is an original Toyota pad and it is clearly marked Toyota, Bosch and Pagid.

Toyota don't make discs or pads, they assemble cars using parts from many different sources. I wouldn't be surprised if your Bosch disc has been outsourced too.

 

[Cyker]

Yeah, they make them for Toyota but will sometimes have their own branding on them, like how some Toyota clutches have Valeo or LUK on them.

I wouldn't worry about it, and at least Bosch have a decent reputation for quality as well! But yeah, that's why I tend to source such parts elsewhere as I don't see the benefit.

As for the copper grease, if the pad has no backing then it's useful for anti-squeal, but all my EBC pads came with anti-squeal shims so I never bothered copper greasing the back (As far as I'm concerned the less grease I get near my brakes the better!  )

Would be worth greasing the moving parts like the slider pins, but use silicone grease for those as it's much better (Doesn't eat the rubber covers for starters!)

 

[2009joe]

2 hours ago, SB1500 said:

Brakes came today... Aren't I an idiot.. I ordered one of each disc (one front, one rear)........assumed they came in pairs like the pads must by law.  Ordered another two.... brings the price up to the same as the dealer - about £2 difference.... £365 all in it'll be now. 

One thing I'm annoyed about......the rear disc has a Bosch logo stamped on the edge clearly... (the round circular logo, not the word). Yet they all came in a Toyota Genuine / Lexus Genuine parts box. I might return them because of this.... it'd be cheaper to actually buy Bosch ones if that's what I have to settle for...

thats mad that well id they come like that might have been better dude to buy them from the toyota dealer. by chance did you buy them from the same guy i bought mine that genuine toyota supplier he sells them with toyota on them and maybe stamped textar on them i  know im guessing would have got them cheaper maybe buying textar pads itself but not sure what the story is there but i know the ones i got came in a toyota lexus box with toyota logo on as well as textar on them 

[2009joe]

1 hour ago, SB1500 said:

No, the pads are all clearly marked Toyota. It's the discs 😕 

 

 

 

my drake discs came with a circle sticker with ok and a number on it i was kina thinking was these real also and came in a toyota lexus box the back discs were the same but i have them in already no problems and came from the genuine seller on eBay snowgroupwest

[Guest]

14 hours ago, 2009joe said:

thats mad that well id they come like that might have been better dude to buy them from the toyota dealer. by chance did you buy them from the same guy i bought mine that genuine toyota supplier he sells them with toyota on them and maybe stamped textar on them i  know im guessing would have got them cheaper maybe buying textar pads itself but not sure what the story is there but i know the ones i got came in a toyota lexus box with toyota logo on as well as textar on them 

Mine came in the same boy as yours, its from ToyotaOfficialStore on eBay, so I have no doubts over it being the real deal. Just disappointed - then again, from what I can gather, the Avensis being more of a niche model to Europe / Japan the European models must have Bosch callipers 😞 

Interestingly, the dealer told me there is no fitting kit, but Toyota on eBay have gotten back to me with a part number 04947-0F010 for one... they said they will create a listing for it on my request which is decent

[flash22]

Car manufacturers use lots of OE suppliers worldwide

one of Toyota's biggest is Denso - Audio wise, it's Denso Ten (Formerly Fujitsu ten), Matsush-ita (Panasonic) and Pioneer these companies source their part from other companies, you can trace it back to the raw materials

As for brakes, the same thing applies

Toyota picks a part from a catalogue from 100's of companies, or they spec the items - you can have, say, a Denso Caliper with a TDM Friction pads and Bosch discs these parts also fit other makes and models

 

Then you get the crazy parts choices like the Mk1 Ford focus 98-05 rear drums have 6 different setups and 4 different brake setups in the front that makes the aftermarket a fuster cluck

 

[TonyHSD]

Your car has a BMW engine and this alone changes everything and many of the car components maybe different than Avensis 1.8 petrol from the same year including brakes, drive shafts, shocks etc. 
For the parts personal choice what and from where, I use myself EBC Ultimax pads and found them better than oem, discs Blueprint currently also as good as oem but half the price., perhaps not better only because the oem and Brembo seems to me have the best anti rust coating.
One tip though, if you haven’t fit them yet , do not use any anti-seize grease, especially cooper grease anywhere on the brakes, hubs or lug nuts., only dry fit anything, clean mounting surfaces to clear metal, no rust should be left.  Do not skip on taking slider pins out, clean and lube them with silicone grease or Toyota own pink grease, these two steps are ultra important and the life of your new parts is highly dependent of how you fit them. Using any grease anywhere on the brakes and hubs can cause DTV ( Disc Thickness Variation) and vibrations as early as 1000 miles after the change. 👍 

[Guest]

On 3/22/2022 at 1:00 PM, TonyHSD said:

Your car has a BMW engine and this alone changes everything and many of the car components maybe different than Avensis 1.8 petrol from the same year including brakes, drive shafts, shocks etc. 
For the parts personal choice what and from where, I use myself EBC Ultimax pads and found them better than oem, discs Blueprint currently also as good as oem but half the price., perhaps not better only because the oem and Brembo seems to me have the best anti rust coating.
One tip though, if you haven’t fit them yet , do not use any anti-seize grease, especially cooper grease anywhere on the brakes, hubs or lug nuts., only dry fit anything, clean mounting surfaces to clear metal, no rust should be left.  Do not skip on taking slider pins out, clean and lube them with silicone grease or Toyota own pink grease, these two steps are ultra important and the life of your new parts is highly dependent of how you fit them. Using any grease anywhere on the brakes and hubs can cause DTV ( Disc Thickness Variation) and vibrations as early as 1000 miles after the change. 👍 

I thought copper grease was a smart move on the correct areas?