Fuel in the tank - Click! Pump stops.

[Roy124]

I think the nozzles have two holes and are also made of a soft metal to minimise the risk of sparks.  Once used a pump where the nozzle was so distorted that it took an age to refuel. 

[Cyker]

There isn't a sensor as such - The mechanism that cuts off the pump is entirely mechanical and quite ingenious. It's all triggered by fuel getting into that little hole:

 

5 hours ago, 50p said:

Hmm, seem to remember a promise of cheaper fuel once the pumps were automated as they no longer had to pay an attendant to do the job ....

Ahh yes, like when they fired all the attendants at the Dartford Crossing and installed ANPR, which was supposed to improve traffic flow and reduce costs, yet the cost to cross went up shortly afterwards and somehow it seems to have just as much trouble with congestion as before, so much so that they're going to build another crossing further along! (And with tax payer money! Rather than the revenue from the toll! And then that will become a toll crossing as well!)

 

[Hornet3D]

22 hours ago, Cyker said:

Need to be careful when holding the dispenser upside-down tho'!

I tried to fill my car with the nozzle upside down once because I was on the wrong side and that was the only way it'd go in (Extra long hoses my shiny metal <REDACTED>), and it sprayed everywhere because the overfill-sensor wasn't triggered!  

 

Good warning.  I tend to fill my car up with the gauge showing half a tank and then ease up on the delivery when the price is getting near, well it used to work before the costs rocketed.

[Rhymes with Paris]

On 7/25/2022 at 8:03 AM, Roy124 said:

I had an Anglia too. Does the PyeWype or bar over Woolies mean anything.  I didn't smoke but had several pairs of trousers burnt from passing cigarette butts 😕. 

Could you sell a 'modern' Ford Anglia today?  39 bhp, fixed rake plastic seats, rubber mats, no radio, plastic steering wheel, floor dip switch and a click indicator switch on the dash?  Obviously all the new comfirmity rules would add extra cost. Still, no need for anti tail gate measures.  You would need to accelerate hard and still not get there. 

Hello Roy, the pyewipe Inn is and was a pub near the river just outside Lincoln, although I believe there is a pyewype area in Grimsby,so apart from those doesn't ring a bell.

Bar over Woolies, there was a nightclub called the Aquarius near Woolies in the 70s, but not over it, again Lincoln, maybe we are looking at different towns?

The Anglia I had then was a 1964 105 e, are you referring to the old 3 speed 100e? I did have one of those before the 105 .🙂

Sorry won't be able to reply for a day or two,as my phone network ate all my data for some reason,so sending this from Waitrose car park, very posh wi fi round here you see 😆

[Rhymes with Paris]

On 7/25/2022 at 8:53 AM, Hybrid21 said:

Those were the days Paul 😀

Bet you felt you were the bees knees in your Anglia, as I did in my MK1 GT Cortina, with furry headrests and cushions in the back window 😀

They certainly were, and oh yes I thought I was the 🐝 s knees alright, what with the Carlos fandango wheels and T gear knob which hurt my hand, until a pal took me for a night out in Grimsby in a 3.8 s type,it was hand painted in metallic blue,gee that thing shifted.

My other friend at the time was doing an engineering apprenticeship at ruston gas turbines and rebuilt the engine for me, which made it around 1300cc with the rebore ,fairly nippy for the time.

Off line for a couple of days,so will come back to the thread then 

 

 

[Roy124]

58 minutes ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

Hello Roy, the pyewipe Inn is and was a pub near the river just outside Lincoln, although I believe there is a pyewype area in Grimsby,so apart from those doesn't ring a bell.

Bar over Woolies, there was a nightclub called the Aquarius near Woolies in the 70s, but not over it, again Lincoln, maybe we are looking at different towns?

The Anglia I had then was a 1964 105 e, are you referring to the old 3 speed 100e? I did have one of those before the 105 .🙂

Sorry won't be able to reply for a day or two,as my phone network ate all my data for some reason,so sending this from Waitrose car park, very posh wi fi round here you see 😆

Yes, near the river. 

OK, pretty close to Woolies. 

Yes, 105e.

£560 and I sold it with all the extras, tailor made seat covers (front only), hand cut carpets. 

The tank was only 6.8g or 32ltr cf to the Corollary at 43, but a staggering consumption of only 39 mpg. 

Have we really come that far? 

[50p]

Strangely enough, fuel economy back in the 70's was of no concern to me at the time but seems to be now in the 2022s?

[Roy124]

3 minutes ago, 50p said:

Strangely enough, fuel economy back in the 70's was of no concern to me at the time but seems to be now in the 2022s?

I wonder what the relative costs are. 

[Cyker]

I didn't even know what fuel economy was when I was first driving - I think I only put in like a tenner at a time to fill the tank!!  

I still don't know how that 1.3 litre manual Fiesta managed to put out so much CO2 that it was the same to tax as my dad's 2.2 litre slushbox merc estate...

[50p]

10 minutes ago, Cyker said:

I didn't even know what fuel economy was when I was first driving - I think I only put in like a tenner at a time to fill the tank!!  

 

As much as that! Fuel level got low (frequently!) and I just filled it up again, not a second thought.

Mind you, I had no other responsibilities then. 😎

 

[Derek.w]

Dont let your fuel drop to low because then you risk sucking up the muck at the bottom of your tank and you definatly dont want a blocked fuel filter.

I can rememder when petrol was 50 pence for a gallon them days 50 pence filled up my motorbike tank.

[Cyker]

That's not usually a major problem with petrol engines as the pickup is at the bottom of the tank anyway, and petrol is very light so any 'muck' doesn't normally get a chance to build up enough to cause problems because it'd fall to the bottom and get sucked away before it could build up. (There are some exceptions, e.g. if the fuel tank gets hit by something which causes a load of scale to flake off all at once.)

Its more a problem with diesel that's been sat in a humid environment, as microbes can grow on the surface which start to form clumps which then get sucked into the fuel line when the tank gets low.

TBH either case is rare unless the car isn't used much, as a regularly used car will cycle through the fuel frequently enough nothing can build up.

 

[Dylanfan]

I had a 1956 100e in the 70s and before that a 1961 105e. The 105e I lowered by 2” and also rebuilt the engine. It was fast for its day and being lowered could corner well.

In our town “Bourne”, there was a fuel station that had a self service pump for use at night, it took a £1 note, so approximately 4 gal.

just a bit different now😷

 

[TonyHSD]

Yeap, sucking on muck from the tank is another myth similar to warped brake discs , not using ac causes dry seals, putting new tyres on the rear is safer , engine flushes cause damage and list goes on. 

[Roy124]

I thought we had put the tyre theory to bed with official advice to put the better tyres on the back. 

[Rhymes with Paris]

On 7/26/2022 at 5:26 PM, Roy124 said:

Yes, near the river. 

OK, pretty close to Woolies. 

Yes, 105e.

£560 and I sold it with all the extras, tailor made seat covers (front only), hand cut carpets. 

The tank was only 6.8g or 32ltr cf to the Corollary at 43, but a staggering consumption of only 39 mpg. 

Have we really come that far? 

Hello again Roy, yes we seem to have come that far, it is difficult to remember maybe, but those old cars were a hell of a lot lighter than today's offerings.

Between half a ton and a ton on smaller models like the Anglia and moggy thou IIRC.

As regards the Aquarius nightclub, it did seem an exciting place back then, with bouncers who did not boot stupid kids down the stairs for being kids.

I remember one of them called Joe who looked like a villain from a bond movie with dark glasses and a polished head,he was a really nice fella and would come and have a quiet word if anyone was being stupid.

He worked at rustons during the day and moonlighted at the Aquarius.

Btw, just behind there on waterside south , where the Wilko is now I think,was a pub yard in the 20s and 30s where my grandfather had a blacksmiths shop,he learned his trade in the army in WW1 shoeing horses.

I unfortunately inherited his angina rather than his skills in mechanical engineering and making useful things.

Thread wandering and rambling again I'm afraid.🥺

[Rhymes with Paris]

On 7/27/2022 at 8:06 AM, Dylanfan said:

I had a 1956 100e in the 70s and before that a 1961 105e. The 105e I lowered by 2” and also rebuilt the engine. It was fast for its day and being lowered could corner well.

In our town “Bourne”, there was a fuel station that had a self service pump for use at night, it took a £1 note, so approximately 4 gal.

just a bit different now😷

 

Just a bit different yeah, what was then a weeks wage will now get around 2 gallons of petrol.

No valid comparison I know due to compound inflation, but some are now paying more to fill the tank than I have paid to buy a car.

[Dylanfan]

Agree, when I started work my take home pay was £2,2s,1d. You wouldn’t get far on that now, mind you I was to young to drive and my Mum took £1,2,1d for board so I was working 42 & half hours for a guid!🥺

[2badmice]

On 7/24/2022 at 8:32 PM, TonyHSD said:

Yes, I do this trick in the Toyota when park on the other side of the pump and stretch the hose around the back bumper , fill ups well without hiccups 👌👍

Just be careful not to dent your quarter panel.

 

I ended up doing that with a Golf, but had no idea until I saw the dent in the sunshine.  Luckily it was on a staff scheme so wasn't mine and went back with the dent pulled before someone else bought it.  Now I will only fill on the same side, regardless.

[TonyHSD]

54 minutes ago, 2badmice said:

Just be careful not to dent your quarter panel.

 

I ended up doing that with a Golf, but had no idea until I saw the dent in the sunshine.  Luckily it was on a staff scheme so wasn't mine and went back with the dent pulled before someone else bought it.  Now I will only fill on the same side, regardless.

Thanks for that 👍 I am careful with the hose and usually I keep it away with my other hand not to touch the car. 👌

[AndrueC]

2 hours ago, 2badmice said:

Just be careful not to dent your quarter panel.

 

I ended up doing that with a Golf, but had no idea until I saw the dent in the sunshine.  Luckily it was on a staff scheme so wasn't mine and went back with the dent pulled before someone else bought it.  Now I will only fill on the same side, regardless.

Plus people in the queue behind you might mutter rude comments about you stealing 'their' pump.

I know I do 😄

[Cyker]

Oh you're going to have fun when you get an EV!  

Apparently it's a thing for EV owners with faster-charge capable cars to get really shirty if e.g. Zoe and PHEV owners use the fast-chargers   

 

[TonyHSD]

Would you be upset if you see an ev driver parked his car at the pump and walk in to do shopping,. No petrol purchase, happen often I can see, but perhaps they do that on purpose because many ice drivers park at ev charging bays ⚡️Vs ⛽️ War 😂👍

[Cyker]

Of course - A pump isn't a parking space so that would just be being a dick; The problem with a lot of retrofitted EV charging areas is they were formerly parking spots and often are indistinguishable from a normal parking spot to the standard driver (i.e. blind idiot).

This was quite common in the early days where people were used to parking in a certain spot which was then converted to an EV charging spot and people didn't understand; I think it's less of a problem now, except when car parks get really full, but generally not malicious, just stupidity.

The worst ones are shared EV charging spot and disabled parking spaces - I've seen both EV people shouting at disabled people and disabled people shouting at EV people for using those spots!

 

I wasn't talking about any of these things tho' - Mainly that there are different types of charging stall which no new EV owner would understand as they are general indistinguishable unless you already know what they are! So it's not just ⚡️Vs ⛽, it's ⚡️ Vs ⚡️  

[2badmice]

On 7/31/2022 at 10:03 AM, TonyHSD said:

Thanks for that 👍 I am careful with the hose and usually I keep it away with my other hand not to touch the car. 👌

If memory serves me well, the dent puller told me it was the handle of the nozzle that caused it, said I'd rested it on there which caused it to dent.  When he told me it sounded about right, and I've always gone to the side of the flap ever since.

On 7/31/2022 at 11:18 AM, AndrueC said:

Plus people in the queue behind you might mutter rude comments about you stealing 'their' pump.

I know I do 😄

Nothing better than scowling at others.