How much is enough?

[Bper]

42 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Personally I think the way democracy works is broken.

We're literally voting in people that, on the whole, have no proven ability to run a sweet shop, nevermind a country, and it's just based purely around popularity and how good they are at advertising and marketing. It turns out people that can blag the best aren't necessarily the best for an honest leader.

I had this idea some years ago, where anyone who wants to be in power should instead have to go through a standard interview process, including references, qualification checks, background checks etc. (Those parts would be done by civil servants), and the people we vote for would instead be the people who go on the face-to-face interview panel.

Either that or they have to play Sim City on Hard Difficulty and the person with the least riots in their city wins?

 

Cyker, yes but what you forget is they don't have to worry about running a sweet shop because the self serving people that they are would have eaten them all anyway.

You are right about the way they should be vetted, but what about the idea that any manifesto that they put forward are given 6 months to implement and after this they have to prove they have done this and it works. If not they are automatically fired and a replacement is made until that do what they say.

All of them would not be allowed outside interests and anyone of them found taking money other the from there parliamentary wage would be prosecuted and jailed.

I guarantee they would do what they are paid for which is the biding of the people of this country.  This also goes for the civil servants who only give lip service to the ministers as they are the ones that run the departments and the politicians are just mouth pieces for the government and media and won't be in the position for long.

Failing that bring back oliver cromwell.😅

[Rhymes with Paris]

Oliver Cromwell 😱

Nooooo, he knocked the gargoyles off our cathedral .

[Bper]

1 hour ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

Oliver Cromwell 😱

Nooooo, he knocked the gargoyles off our cathedral .

don't you gargoyle with mouthwash😅

[Rhymes with Paris]

Of corsodyl I do, or al b in for a telling off from the dentist, and removed from his Listerine.

[Bper]

3 minutes ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

Of corsodyl I do, or al b in for a telling off from the dentist, and removed from his Listerine.

I like the way you implanted this post but the tooth be told reading this is like pulling teeth.  However I will brace myself for more.  Please fillin where I left off.😅

[davidif]

On 12/3/2022 at 9:21 PM, Bper said:

I like the way you implanted this post but the tooth be told reading this is like pulling teeth.  However I will brace myself for more.  Please fillin where I left off.😅

Such wisdom!!!!

[Eddie G]

On 12/3/2022 at 3:36 PM, Bper said:

I think a lot of the problem is growing up in an era when prices changed very little in comparison to today. The amount of increase on all items we buy has risen so quickly and always blamed on some other reason then total mismanagement of economies. 

I don't believe those born in the 50s and 60s have ever experienced such high rises in the cost of living.

It seems evident that whoever we vote in to govern the country either conservative or labour, they all manage to ruin the economy one way or another. I do believe we need a totally different approach to how we vote these people in . Proportional representation must be allowed to happen and we really need politicians that do what we vote them in to do and not serve themselves.😠

 

 

Totally Agree 👍

[Eddie G]

On 12/3/2022 at 4:39 PM, Puglet said:

I noticed this week our nearest Esso just gone to milestone of £1.59.9 they are most expensive usually so things going in right direction here, but I still putting Shell V Power (E5) in our 107, happy to pay premium for decent fuel cos our 107 saves money/costs in other areas as well as mpg. 

 

Started using E5 as well, engine seems to run tad smoother and less Ethanol then E10 better giving the colder temperatures this time of year? 

[Bper]

8 hours ago, davidif said:

Such wisdom!!!!

Wisdom will reward you with a crown of honor and glory.”😅

[FROSTYBALLS]

Today the one Tesco Extra by us dropped E10 to £1.49.9 - they were slightly busier than the BP opposite where E10 is £1.59.9 ........

[Bper]

3 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Today the one Tesco Extra by us dropped E10 to £1.49.9 - they were slightly busier than the BP opposite where E10 is £1.59.9 ........

Well not wishing to talk this down as it is good news, however it would appear that petrol prices are due to rise again. The reducition in the amount of barrels of oil a day are to send the prices up again. No words for this madness.😢

 

[Markyswan]

Bob I've seen prices going down locally and outside my area. I really think car drivers have had enough of these constant rise and fall in prices. Someone dId mention that prices will go up again but he was talking about markets and ones that make the oil ,but a bit above my head to be honest. Hope it doesn't. 

[Rhymes with Paris]

If I have got it right,80 or 90p of the cost of a litre of fuel in UK is duty+ Vat.

So a tax on tax.

If that is right, then it follows that the remaining 60 or 70p per litre is cost of sourcing and production,plus profit.

So as a percentage the increase or indeed decrease,on the 60p is greater than the figures suggest, but still a minor part of the pump price.

I only understand the basics of economics, but is this simply taxation policy in different countries?

I couldn't spend more than £2 a week on petrol on a motorcycle in Cyprus in 2002 going all over the island.

Then again, please remember, that I haven't a clue what I'm talking about.

[Bper]

31 minutes ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

If I have got it right,80 or 90p of the cost of a litre of fuel in UK is duty+ Vat.

So a tax on tax.

If that is right, then it follows that the remaining 60 or 70p per litre is cost of sourcing and production,plus profit.

So as a percentage the increase or indeed decrease,on the 60p is greater than the figures suggest, but still a minor part of the pump price.

I only understand the basics of economics, but is this simply taxation policy in different countries?

I couldn't spend more than £2 a week on petrol on a motorcycle in Cyprus in 2002 going all over the island.

Then again, please remember, that I haven't a clue what I'm talking about.

Hi Paul,  taxation is a mindfield to most of us. It reminds me of what they have done with taxes in the past.  This one I think they might bring back.

Ancient Rome placed a tax on those slaves that bought their own freedom. As some slaves worked in many jobs they had the opportunity to collect enough money to pay for their own freedom. The slave owners rarely took it upon themselves to free the slaves after they had worked for a certain number of years. With that, the government allowed the slaves the chance to buy their freedom not without leaving them poor by taxing them. The lord giveth..😈

 

 

 

[Cyker]

Yeah the tax on fuel is, I think, the highest of anything; As you say the tax is more than the cost of the fuel!

This is partly why I didn't think EVs would be cheaper to run for long, as they paid almost no tax by comparison (5% VAT!!), but if they had the full whack of fuel duty and full VAT like ICE fuels do they would be far more expensive.

Sadly that's what seems to have happened on top of the energy price hikes, as I think you still get away with the 5% for home charging (Since they can't charge you 2 different tariffs for electricity at home, at least not yet), but commercial chargers lost their 5% rate and got bumped up to 20% (They and EVangelists are still trying to get the government to drop it back down to 5% tho'!)

 

 

[Roy124]

Peterborough this morning, Shell £1.489 and £1.669, Morrisons also £1.489.

[Bper]

5 hours ago, Roy124 said:

Peterborough this morning, Shell £1.489 and £1.669, Morrisons also £1.489.

This amazes me how two stores within the same group can have such a disparity between prices. Today our local Morrisons 1.69.9 a difference of 15p from your morrisons . At 1.489. Now do Morrisons and the other main supermarket chains not buy the petrol for the whole group . Now I am not aware of any morrrison stores being franchised so this can only bever blatent profiteering. 😠

[Roy124]

Bper, no doubt level competition.  As Morrisons and Shell are on the same road within walking distance one is clearly in competition with the other. 

If your 1.699 is less than the named competitor they have no incentive to sell at 1.499.  Similarly, if they stuck at 1.699 with Shell up the road at 148.9 then they may as well shut shop. 

 

 

[Big_D]

There is an Esso about a mile away from us. Their price is usually about 10p higher than everyone else. I think it's a clear case of profiteering and I haven't bought fuel from them for more than a year now. I drive past to the next Esso where I fill up on my way to the local supermarket. As I'm already heading past them to do the weekly grocery shopping, it's not out of my way to travel the extra four miles.

[Markyswan]

4 minutes ago, Big_D said:

There is an Esso about a mile away from us. Their price is usually about 10p higher than everyone else. I think it's a clear case of profiteering and I haven't bought fuel from them for more than a year now. I drive past to the next Esso where I fill up on my way to the local supermarket. As I'm already heading past them to do the weekly grocery shopping, it's not out of my way to travel the extra four miles.

Bob, I was just about to say the same thing .We have a independent garage 1.2 miles away and it is just over 10p cheaper. Now the independent may not have the overhead of a supermarket but then they should be selling the petrol at a far lower price as it is not a essential part of its overall business.  So I will say again this is profiteering at the exspense of its it's local community. 

[Big_D]

3 minutes ago, Markyswan said:

So I will say again this is profiteering at the exspense of its it's local community. 

I totally agree with you @Markyswan

[Roy124]

Mark, I tend to disagree. As your independent is selling petrol aside from its primary business he is selling as a service to the locals.  A fair number of village filling stations have high  charges serving locals who don't want to travel 10 miles to the cheap station. They don't particularly want to serve petrol. 

[Bper]

21 minutes ago, Markyswan said:

Bob, I was just about to say the same thing .We have a independent garage 1.2 miles away and it is just over 10p cheaper. Now the independent may not have the overhead of a supermarket but then they should be selling the petrol at a far lower price as it is not a essential part of its overall business.  So I will say again this is profiteering at the exspense of its it's local community. 

Hi Mark,

I completely agree that this is profiteering. You are right fuel is not an essential part of a supermarkets core business. They are already making vast profits on food supply so this adds insult to injury. I am glad other can see this as well.

28 minutes ago, Markyswan said:

Bob, I was just about to say the same thing .We have a independent garage 1.2 miles away and it is just over 10p cheaper. Now the independent may not have the overhead of a supermarket but then they should be selling the petrol at a far lower price as it is not a essential part of its overall business.  So I will say again this is profiteering at the exspense of its it's local community. 

 

[Markyswan]

5 minutes ago, Roy124 said:

Mark, I tend to disagree. As your independent is selling petrol aside from its primary business he is selling as a service to the locals.  A fair number of village filling stations have high  charges serving locals who don't want to travel 10 miles to the cheap station. They don't particularly want to serve petrol. 

Roy the independent garage only sells petrol and only has two pumps. It sells a small selection of sweets and papers but nothing else mate.

[Roy124]

19 minutes ago, Markyswan said:

Roy the independent garage only sells petrol and only has two pumps. It sells a small selection of sweets and papers but nothing else mate.

I miss read your primary business reference. The small independent is therefore going for small profit but volume.  So I agree that the supermarket is just profiting rather than using petrol as a loss leader.