C-HR V Nissan Qashqai e-power 2023

[fourbanks]

Has anyone had a look at the new tec from Nissan. It's an equal to the CH-R slightly cheaper but overall very much the same

it's a 1.5 3-cylinder turbo powered engine that charges the Battery only so that the car drives EV only 

[forkingabout]

42 minutes ago, fourbanks said:

Has anyone had a look at the new tec from Nissan. It's an equal to the CH-R slightly cheaper but overall very much the same

it's a 1.5 3-cylinder turbo powered engine that charges the battery only so that the car drives EV only 

3 cylinder, turbocharged, & Nissan ( Renault in disguise ) = I'm not interested. 

 

[fourbanks]

1 hour ago, forkingabout said:

3 cylinder, turbocharged, & Nissan ( Renault in disguise ) = I'm not interested. 

 

Same as myself. I'm not really understanding the logic on it, especially the turbo part. The 1.5 engine I get 3 cylinders, which is smaller than a four I don't get because of excess revs.

If it was a 4 cylinder 1.5 non turbo then that would be the normal way forward but to use a booster of which really i cant see any benefit as it's not driving the car. I mean, just revving the engine makes noise and if you are going above 1000 rpm then that's going to sound most odd, I would have thought especially with a 3-cylinder engine 

[GBgraham]

Why would you? Turbo's on little engines equals to trying to make 3 pints out of a pint pot, so general engine wear is higher.

[King Crimson]

I haven't searched much about that but i saw mat watson's review of the new civic and it sounds like it has similar tech as the qashqai, it got great mpg and was really fast doing 0-60 below 7 seconds.

[TonyHSD]

The only real hybrids in both hev and phev are made by Toyota.
Anything else are simply more complicated technology that does not help anything except slight bump in economy in certain conditions.  
Toyota hybrids works best in all conditions plus they simplify the ice technology and brings it  to its best performance, efficiency and reliability. 
The hybrid system of Toyota cars is as reliable as bev and does not require anything except fluid maintenance, oil, coolant and filters plus spark plugs. While other hybrids with the all those complicated tech, clutches, gears, belts, turbo, direct injection etc are time bombs similar to latest diesels , dsg, stop start stupidity and similar. If you pay your own money and want to keep the car longer than the lease or if you pay cash and you want ice car just choose any Toyota or Lexus model that best suited for your likes/needs. 👌 

[King Crimson]

On 10/8/2022 at 2:29 PM, TonyHSD said:

The only real hybrids in both hev and phev are made by Toyota.
Anything else are simply more complicated technology that does not help anything except slight bump in economy in certain conditions.  
Toyota hybrids works best in all conditions plus they simplify the ice technology and brings it  to its best performance, efficiency and reliability. 
The hybrid system of Toyota cars is as reliable as bev and does not require anything except fluid maintenance, oil, coolant and filters plus spark plugs. While other hybrids with the all those complicated tech, clutches, gears, belts, turbo, direct injection etc are time bombs similar to latest diesels , dsg, stop start stupidity and similar. If you pay your own money and want to keep the car longer than the lease or if you pay cash and you want ice car just choose any Toyota or Lexus model that best suited for your likes/needs. 👌 

Well im interested to see where nissan's technology goes since it doesn't have a clutch and is basically fully electric and the engine acts as a generator which to me at least sounds quite reliable. I agree that toyota has the best hybrid system and is the only proven hybrid technology so far.

[forkingabout]

The only thing the Qashqai has going for it is that it's built in the UK.

[Cyker]

That reminds me of

 

I love how they're trying to make out it's something new they've invented, calling it e-POWER! when it's just a series-hybrid like e.g. the BMW i3-rex and other 'range-extender' EVs.

I prefer the series/parallel-hybrid system the HSDs have, as you can tap the power of the ICE *and* MG2 when you need to, whereas a series hybrid is limited to the power from the leccy motor only.

I don't get why they're using a turbo engine tho', this seems like needless complexity and weight for what's essentially a generator stuck to the car...

 

[flash22]

2 hours ago, forkingabout said:

The only thing the Qashqai has going for it is that it's built in the UK.

It's a Renault in a kimono - it's a Kadjar under the skin

[Hibird]

It looks like the Nissan e power is not feeling the love here and I would not disagree. However what system will win out in the great Hybrid shoot out in the future may not be the same as today. It's good to see new incarnations of albeit old ideas coming to the market which will drive further development and refinement of Hybrid tech. However the Hybrid in it's current state with an ICE must have a limited shelf life with a finite sell by date. I feel confident I have the right system from Toyota today so dont need to worry till tomorrow !

[forkingabout]

Toyota 5th gen hybrid technology which is about to launch with Corolla Cross & 23MY Corolla would be worth looking at.

Unless it has a Toyota or Lexus Badge on it I'm not really interested.

I did also see the Lexus UX 300e has had a Battery upgrade for the 23MY so there still life in the posh C-HR version.

 

[Cyker]

The Toyota system is definitely the most flexible - To my knowledge it's the only series/parallel system in mass production.

Most others are either parallel (Where the ICE and EV system power the wheels, usually one does the front and one does the back) or series (Where the engine only acts as a generator).

The Toyota system is, I think, unique in that it can do either or both at the same time. Even the new Honda Jazz, which is the closest rival to the Yaris Mk4, is technically a series hybrid, just with an engine lockup at higher speeds.

I do think Toyota are right that hybrids should be allowed to be sold for longer - I just can't see EVs being ready to fill all the roles ICE currently does in the time we have left, and I think we'd be better off with lots of affordable low emission cars than a small percentage of very expensive zero emission cars. Then again maybe trying to make cars the domain of the rich only is the plan!

 

[TonyHSD]

Toyota has extended their hybrid technology to more types. They have now hybrids with turbo petrol engines in new crown sold in USA , plus new hybrid system in the largest pickup track Tundra and Sequoia, 8 speed auto plus e motor to the rear axle. For me the power split device gen 3 to gen 5 for standard cars is the best as does eliminates  troublesome components, making these particular cars long mileage cruisers at their best. 

[Cyker]

100% agree - Turbos have no place on a petrol engine if you want long-term reliability. They're perfect for diesels, but there are too many compromises with petrol engines.

 

[HybridEnthusiast]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:24 PM, forkingabout said:

3 cylinder, turbocharged, & Nissan ( Renault in disguise ) = I'm not interested. 

 

Some really interesting perspectives on here but the engine is not related to Renault or used in any Renault vehicles.  It's a cut down version of the 4 cyl 2.0L VCR engine from Infiniti in the US that won multiple awards for its technology and innovation.  The turbo charger ensures that you can achieve high torque from low RPM and as a generator this is important to keep the engine RPM low and avoid high revving noise in the background.  Variable Compression Ratio allows the engine to operate at high compression during low demand for extremely high efficiency and low compression during high demand for high power without a big drop in combustion efficiency.  Nissans VCR is infinitely variable to pick the best compression ratio at any time.   By contrast the engines used in Toyota / Honda hybrids are naturally aspirated using Atkinson cycle.  This provides high efficiency but also requires high RPM to achieve both power and efficiency which is why they always rev highly during acceleration.  I personally don't like the engine screaming away in the background every time I accelerate from low speed so will be really interested to try this new concept from Nissan.  If it does what it says on the tin, it could be a great alternative to the parallel hybrid of old.  (there are some decent videos online explaining this tech so easy enough to find this out).

[Cyker]

I'll be impressed if it shows any major mpg gain, but TBH I'd be concerned over its long-term reliability as, if it's the same mechanism Engineering Explained featured several years ago, it adds a lot of complexity and load-bearing moving parts.

The beauty of the Toyota system is it's extremely simple, and simple is reliable, plus they mostly fixed the high RPM thing in the new ones; I don't usually need more than 3000rpm unless I'm really booking it, but I can still red-line it if I want to!

 

 

[TonyHSD]

Agreed, the simplicity of the Toyota hybrid drive train is the best of all that offers. Longevity, reliability, efficiency and sensible performance. No need any extra and complicated tech that will cause issues in long term. Hyundai for example has hybrids that deliver as good economy as Prius , however the system is so complicated, has expensive parts that will wear down and require huge bill similar to Diesel engines. I rather drive Toyota hybrid, full ev or small petrol manual runabout like polo, corsa etc. 

[Gray86]

3 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

Agreed, the simplicity of the Toyota hybrid drive train is the best of all that offers. Longevity, reliability, efficiency and sensible performance. No need any extra and complicated tech that will cause issues in long term. Hyundai for example has hybrids that deliver as good economy as Prius , however the system is so complicated, has expensive parts that will wear down and require huge bill similar to Diesel engines. I rather drive Toyota hybrid, full ev or small petrol manual runabout like polo, corsa etc. 

have you seen ‘the car care nut’ video comparison with Toyota hybrids and a Hyundai’s? It’s an interesting watch!

[TonyHSD]

41 minutes ago, Gray86 said:

have you seen ‘the car care nut’ video comparison with Toyota hybrids and a Hyundai’s? It’s an interesting watch!

Yes I did . Great example. 
I was having in mind ioniq hybrid. A car that does as good as Prius or even better economy but at the same time a car with very complex drive train with many components that does not inspire longevity imo. The car care nut example is great indeed 👍

[Spo2]

How does Honda Civic hybrid compare with Toyota 2-litre hybrid?

[TonyHSD]

 

[forkingabout]

Here's an Australian point of view - WARNING - the reviewers language & comments may not to be everyone's taste.

 

 

[TonyHSD]

here been explained how the system works. It’s interesting, it’s kind of Vauxhall ampera like , an ev with range extender where the extender can’t drive the car at all. Opposite to Honda system where the engine can eventually take over and propel the car at high speeds. 
To me these systems are interesting, but Toyota own power split device hybrid system is more advanced, because of the simplicity and light weight and how both power sources complement each other and cancel one or another depending on drivers input and driving conditions. It’s a magic. 😂👍