Crappy headlight vision

[Wooster]

4 minutes ago, tomashen said:

haven't had to use horn much

I understand, but you only need one occasion when you desperately need to get the attention of another car driver and the 'meep-meep' will probably be inadequate.  Imagine a 40 tonne truck starting to move into your lane on a motorway and you've got no where to go.....

[tomashen]

you are right. just hoping it never happens

[Cyker]

This is just a result of the ridiculous brightness war that's been going on.

I reckon if everyone had halogens you'd find them bright enough, but because everything is super-bright LEDs now, from street lights to everyone and their mother's car, halogens just get swamped out and your eyes can't adapt to the lower light level they provide in the face of all these blindingly bright lights.

I had that with my Mk2 - The lights seemed a bit dim until I was driving in the countryside on my own with just some sodium street lamps and no LED and I realized I could actually see quite well.

With my Mk4, I know how insanely bright its LED headlamps are, but disturbingly, when I'm driving home at night, they don't seem that bright because all the street lights are high-powered LEDs and many cars have even brighter lights, and that's not even going into these new 'Laser lights' I'm starting to see on german cars!

No wonder the halogens seem so dim by comparison!

It doesn't help that more people also seem to be using their main beams with Auto-Dip; It turns out everyone else's is just as bad as Toyota's, judging by how many times I had a full beam to the face on the way home before they were dipped!! (At least I can give as good as I get now!)

They're going to have to do something about this - At this rate, manufacturers will be mounting miniature Suns to the front of their cars and there will be a big increase in macular degeneration in drivers!

[tomashen]

You may be correct. But i drive through empty unlit black roads often, and i simply have no vision ahead. I can see as much as my phones flashlight would show. This is how bad the lighting is. 

 

A small flashlight on 2xAA batteries beams further and wider than this car at the moment! Thats how bad it is. Qhen it rains, and dark, forget about seeing anything 

 

I have come to terms to keep front fog lights on with dips now.... 

[Cyker]

That is a bit weird; My friend has an Auris and while they are nowhere near as bright as my Yaris's stupid bright LEDs, they provide more than adequate lighting...

I wonder if there's a wiring issue with your headlamps? Maybe some corrosion is dropping the voltage so they aren't as bright as they should be...?

 

[tomashen]

No clue. When staring from outside in front, my eyes do get dazzled, i think its purely the headlight housing construction that is absolutely crappy. Perhaps the bulbs are on the way out too? Im not sure. But anyway the new bulbs should do a trick and will report back with updates 🙂

[Steven83]

I have the mk2 preface lift with those Philips bulbs.

tbh they are completely adequate imo. 
 

I think it’s as cyker says, it’s more about comparing it to the ‘best’ headlights out there and then the halogens seem rubbish.

no one was complaining about headlights 22 years ago when I first started driving.

The ones on the auris are better than my Vauxhall Nova SR I had at 17 🙂

[Steven83]

20 hours ago, tomashen said:

No clue. When staring from outside in front, my eyes do get dazzled, i think its purely the headlight housing construction that is absolutely crappy. Perhaps the bulbs are on the way out too? Im not sure. But anyway the new bulbs should do a trick and will report back with updates 🙂

May sound daft but have you adjusted them to the highest setting? 
 

there is the choice of 0-4 or something like that. 0 is the highest, 4 pointing at the ground. 

[Rhymes with Paris]

I find the carbide lights to give a good beam spread, and projection.

Just a bit tricky when wanting to explode.

[tomashen]

34 minutes ago, Steven83 said:

May sound daft but have you adjusted them to the highest setting? 
 

there is the choice of 0-4 or something like that. 0 is the highest, 4 pointing at the ground. 

Adjusted properly already unfortunately

[French Auris]

On 10/28/2022 at 9:59 PM, tomashen said:

Oh wow. Good to know. I think white LED is the only option...?

 

Hb3 wouldnt fit in the auris socket? 

I have fitted some LED`s in my Auris, Philips Ultinon Pro3021 LED Headlamp (HIR2), Light colour white Cold 6.000K, set of 2

Apparently they are only 20 watts but wow, what a difference they make.

Street legal, I don`t give a toss, and maybe the old bill don`t either but I do keep the old ones in the boot as back ups just in case.

[tomashen]

19 minutes ago, French Auris said:

I have fitted some LED`s in my Auris, Philips Ultinon Pro3021 LED Headlamp (HIR2), Light colour white Cold 6.000K, set of 2

Apparently they are only 20 watts but wow, what a difference they make.

Street legal, I don`t give a toss, and maybe the old bill don`t either but I do keep the old ones in the boot as back ups just in case.

I looked at this but was expensive. Maybe next bulbs 😀

[French Auris]

3 minutes ago, tomashen said:

I looked at this but was expensive. Maybe next bulbs 😀

£43.83 on Amazon.co.uk, not really that bad plus 6000K gives a nice white light (No blue hint)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=Philips+Ultinon+Pro3021+LED+ampoule+de+phare+automobile+(HIR2)%2C+lumière+blanche+et+froide+à+6.000K%2C+set+de+2&crid=12LAB49KF8UBI&sprefix=philips+ultinon+pro3021+led+ampoule+de+phare+automobile+hir2+lumière+blanche+et+froide+à+6.000k+set+de+2%2Caps%2C138&ref=nb_sb_noss

[tomashen]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Ultinon-Pro3021-Headlight-6-000K/dp/B09XVL6QLS/ref=asc_df_B09XVL6QLS/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=598358333438&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15053255120381957718&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007850&hvtargid=pla-1660813875273&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

 

 

No hir2 available for me 😞

[TonyHSD]

LED bulbs in halogen bulb lights never work as good, ok they give higher density light and fake feeling that they are better but reality is that most of they do is blind the oncoming cars and if you drive long enough you will find out that those conversions cause headaches too, particularly the cheap nasty blueish leds. You can Use something like Philips X-tremeVision Pro150 HIR2 car headlight bulb +150%, single blister https://amzn.eu/d/6WUVUnw , or Osram night breaker to get the most out of your lights. 

Proper adjustment in mot centre, plus from the dashboard level switch and make sure the lenses plastic cover is nice and clear. That’s pretty much all. 

[AisinW]

The specs of All HIR2 bulbs are available in their website. Philips and OSRAM both provided it.  The OEM is Philips Longlife with 2000 hours lifespan and 1340 lumens.  OSRAM Standard, Philips X-tremevisionPro150, Hella standard are all 1875 Lumens and rated about 500 hours lifespan.   Hella is available from Amazon at about €8 and the best price so far.  I got an email directly from Hella costumer support about the spec because they do not have it in their website. 

There is no single 55W  bulb brighter than HIR2 Standard lux beside HIR1 (much shorter lifespan) 65Watt.    What I found can help us is raising the seat and make us look straight instead of layback.  The windshield design of Auris2 makes the refraction angle from the glass and reduce how our brain looks things. 

I did tried different solution and Hella HIR2 is the best solution for the money and still legal.  If you are bold enough, you can install a good bright LED bulbs. Most of them are above $40.  Bevinsee V35, V45, V55, GTR Ultra 2, Sealight LS, Auxbeam GX, and Apollo X77.   These LED are about 3000-4000 Lumens, or similar to xenon Philips D2S 3400 lumens.  Basically, with these LED you double the intensity of OEM HIR2 Philips Longlife.  With Hella, we get about 40% more light and still legal.   Don't waste your money and time to unknown LED. 99.99% of it are junk, less bright, weird color and pattern. 

If we want to be fair with proper science and measurement, Projector beam like in Auris2 will never blind anyone because of completely Flat cut-off.  Just make sure, to aim it not too high. Generally speaking, we do not need to adjust the light height when swapping.  But I agree, LED and xenon must be forbiden for any Reflector lights if they are not designed for it.  Probably only Philips and OSRAM H7 and H4 that are legal in some countries and designed such way to mimick the Halogen pattern in reflector type.  Unfortunately, OSRAM LED light intensity is weaker than the original Halogen.  Philips Ultinon 6000 is indeed slightly brighter than Halogen but very marginal, less than 10%.  In Projector, I am 100% sure, they are all fine. Just choose the one that has white, not bluish color that will attract Police attention. 

Philips and OSRAM will not produce HIR2 version LED because it is already damn bright. Brighter than their LED on H7 and H4 forms. 

 

[tomashen]

Hi all here. 

Just an update on the new lights.

Got them put in and visibility has improved drastically i must say, high beam is about similar but dipped is so much more visible now. Just a week ago i almost killed a person walking on unlit back roads because the original toyota halogen bulb was so crappy. My heart almost stopped as i swerved away about 2steps off of almost hitting the person. These new bulbs have a wider side to side lighting and doesnt glare upwards.  Signs are better visible too now. 

 

For ref, this is the bulbs : https://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/twenty20-compact-led-headlight-bulbs-HIR2-9012-pair.html

[TonyHSD]

Thanks for the update . 
On previous generation Auris the lights are relatively good, I only use the same brand Philips eco vision because they lasts longest and notice from before that there is a difference between two same bulbs when one is new and one is old, but this time the difference is huge. Here on the picture, the left light has new bulb and the right one has old one, over 6 months, likely on its way out. I took it off yesterday and the glass of the bulb seems a bit foggy, the wire looks ok. I installed a new bulb and will be testing tonight. Here some pictures. 

[AisinW]

Retrofitting Bi-LED headlights and autoleveling is probably too expensive

[xrhstosgr]

Πριν από 42 λεπτά, ο TonyHSD είπε:

Ευχαριστώ για την ενημέρωση . 
Στα Auris προηγούμενης γενιάς τα φώτα είναι σχετικά καλά, χρησιμοποιώ μόνο την ίδια μάρκα Philips eco vision επειδή διαρκούν περισσότερο και παρατηρώ από πριν ότι υπάρχει διαφορά μεταξύ δύο ιδίων λαμπτήρων όταν ο ένας είναι καινούργιος και ο ένας είναι παλιός, αλλά αυτή τη φορά η διαφορά είναι τεράστιο. Εδώ στην εικόνα, το αριστερό φως έχει καινούργια λάμπα και το δεξί έχει έναν παλιό, πάνω από 6 μήνες, πιθανότατα στην έξοδό του. Το έβγαλα χθες και το τζάμι της λάμπας φαίνεται λίγο ομιχλώδες, το σύρμα φαίνεται εντάξει. Τοποθέτησα μια νέα λάμπα και θα κάνω δοκιμή απόψε. Ορίστε μερικές φωτογραφίες. 

 

Πριν από 46 λεπτά, ο TonyHSD είπε:

Ευχαριστώ για την ενημέρωση . 
Στα Auris προηγούμενης γενιάς τα φώτα είναι σχετικά καλά, χρησιμοποιώ μόνο την ίδια μάρκα Philips eco vision επειδή διαρκούν περισσότερο και παρατηρώ από πριν ότι υπάρχει διαφορά μεταξύ δύο ιδίων λαμπτήρων όταν ο ένας είναι καινούργιος και ο ένας είναι παλιός, αλλά αυτή τη φορά η διαφορά είναι τεράστιο. Εδώ στην εικόνα, το αριστερό φως έχει καινούργια λάμπα και το δεξί έχει έναν παλιό, πάνω από 6 μήνες, πιθανότατα στην έξοδό του. Το έβγαλα χθες και το τζάμι της λάμπας φαίνεται λίγο ομιχλώδες, το σύρμα φαίνεται εντάξει. Τοποθέτησα μια νέα λάμπα και θα κάνω δοκιμή απόψε. Ορίστε μερικές φωτογραφίες. 

 

Παραθέτω, αναφορά

Good morning Tony Compared to which bulbs, these have a longer lifespan? And how many hours of use are we talking about? Thanks

 

[furtula]

I didn't know that even halogen lights lose the brightness over time, or maybe the headlights we're a bit dirty.

One of my xenon lights was dying recently, so i was somehow lucky to buy a brand new pair for 50+% off, one light goes for 70GBP, but i see them priced now for 85 GBP on same website, could probably find it cheaper elsewhere.

The bulbs are PHILIPS xenon X-tremeVision D4S.

And what a difference compared to the old ones, it made night driving much more bearable. especially on clear nights,  you get the feeling the long beams are always on.

[tomashen]

16 minutes ago, furtula said:

I didn't know that even halogen lights lose the brightness over time, or maybe the headlights we're a bit dirty.

One of my xenon lights was dying recently, so i was somehow lucky to buy a brand new pair for 50+% off, one light goes for 70GBP, but i see them priced now for 85 GBP on same website, could probably find it cheaper elsewhere.

The bulbs are PHILIPS Xenon X-tremeVision D4S.

And what a difference compared to the old ones, it made night driving much more bearable. especially on clear nights,  you get the feeling the long beams are always on.

Hmmm this doesnt fit HIR2 housing it seems 🙂

[TonyHSD]

52 minutes ago, xrhstosgr said:

 

 

 

Hi, these bulbs are longest lasting halogen bulb in direct comparison to other standard or high performance halogen bulbs made by all companies, Philips, Osram, etc. 

I don’t know about led as these are illegal plus some of them cause fatigue when used through the night for longer hours, not good light, too dense and too blue. But these are the cheap Chinese led bulbs. 

[Wooster]

4 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

these are the cheap Chinese led bulbs. 

Which are the cheap Chinese ones?  All LED bulbs?

[TonyHSD]

8 minutes ago, Wooster said:

Which are the cheap Chinese ones?  All LED bulbs?

Not all, the one that look horrible quality sold cheap on the online sites, and most early conversion kits especially for H4 bulbs and H7. Here an example https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175481370735?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=r5KhA_c8Q7O&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=p34UK1z2T4m&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY