Crappy headlight vision

[tomashen]

4 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

Hi, these bulbs are longest lasting halogen bulb in direct comparison to other standard or high performance halogen bulbs made by all companies, Philips, Osram, etc. 

I don’t know about led as these are illegal plus some of them cause fatigue when used through the night for longer hours, not good light, too dense and too blue. But these are the cheap Chinese led bulbs. 

About the blue light, Mine are pure white when looked directly from driving position. 

HOWEVER, when i took a photo, the whole light showed as blue. Perhaps they give off that blue spread for oncoming people? 

But also, the mechanic adjusted the light scattering for me just like normal lights on different cars using his tools, so 100% no intrusion to oncoming peoples eyeballs lmao, unlike me trying to drive with close eyes when those pricks come toward me where the light beams are DIRECTLY focused at my eyes ffs.

 

These bulbs were relatively cheap and i dont care if they burn out after 2 or 6 months even, as long as they last through winter im fine as i have no problem using the original bulbs during summer times.

[tomashen]

Here, high beam and dipped. 

Plus i have a chameleon tint on the windshield which i plan to get removed too, just no time.its max 15% tint including the factory tint. 

I think the tint only affects my distant visibility at night. 

 

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[TonyHSD]

Got mine checked last night and now they illuminate better, more equally but still there is a slight difference. In the right lens the darker one I have some glasses from blown bulb previously that has happened and when weather turn warmer I will try to vacuum them out and see if this changes anything. 👍

[tomashen]

I may be mistaken but since these bulb housings are Lenticular types, Is it wrong to understand that these lights when adjusted should be pointed directly ahead unlike Standard headlights pointed down at the road?

Ofcourse the mechanic when adjusting mine, from my understanding, adjusting them like Standard headlights. Perhaps that is why i have lower distance from full beams?

[TonyHSD]

9 minutes ago, tomashen said:

I may be mistaken but since these bulb housings are Lenticular types, Is it wrong to understand that these lights when adjusted should be pointed directly ahead unlike Standard headlights pointed down at the road?

Ofcourse the mechanic when adjusting mine, from my understanding, adjusting them like Standard headlights. Perhaps that is why i have lower distance from full beams?

Perhaps when standard halogen bulbs are used the lights will have the classic L shape patterns. When Oem led are used then might be just a straight line. Not 100% sure though. Let see what others will say. 👍

[AisinW]

If it is not a problem in your country like Ireland.  I recommend Bevinsee V35, V45, or V55 HIR2 and they give  3 years warranty in Europe, it is about €50.  If you are in USA, you have more wider choices and American Police will not fine or check your headlights. I had tried V45 installed for a test, it is really bright, brighter than Corolla 2020 bi-LED.  Fortunately, Auris 2 use projector headlights, the cutoff is so sharp and do not blind anyone and about 2x brighter without bluish color.  During random inspection, no one can find out if it is not OEM because the beam pattern is just perfect without blinding anyone until they open the hood, and check it by hand and eyes. But remove it during MOT test.  I had tested cheaper LED bulb about €20, they are all garbage, not brighter than the HIR2 original bulb. Philips and OSRAM bulbs are not that bright either even you pay €120 but they work well with reflector style.  For Auris2 with projector, it is less problematic. 

[Fostel]

On 10/28/2022 at 11:25 PM, FROSTYBALLS said:

Think we're getting confused between the two generations of Auris.

The first generation (2007-2012) has H11 for low beam and HB3 for high beam. The second generation has HIR2 bulbs (from December 2012).

Xrhstosgr's profile picture is the dash/centre console for the first generation, and if this is their Auris, it will have H11/HB3 bulbs.

Tomashen 2015 Auris will be the second generation - HIR2 bulbs. If this is the pre-facelift second generation Auris, it will have the older type of headlight which some owners found to be poor.

I drive a 2013 pre-facelift and it has HIR2 headlights. They are of a poor design and give weak beams. I know Toyota replaced those under warranty if the owner complained enough but I learned about it when I was out of warranty.

[FROSTYBALLS]

4 minutes ago, Fostel said:

I drive a 2013 pre-facelift and it has HIR2 headlights.

The halogen bulbs in the second generation (2012-1018) will be HIR2, but the headlights themselves in the pre-facelift were a different design to the post-facelift, and as stated some owners had issues with these headlights - not necessarily the bulbs.

[tomashen]

Yep frosty, the whole headlight unit is ****. Its the projector headlights. Dim beam is not so bad but its weaker than any other headlight assembly unit type, and high beam just creates this " misty" look infront and gives no advantage really. 

 

If it was possible i would change the whole headlight assembly unit to something better. but its porobably too expensive.

[AisinW]

Projector headlights naturally is less bright than reflector for the same exact bulbs. The shutter cuts 1/2 of the light in projector. Naturally, reflector lights work the best for low beam and projector for high beam (more coherence in longer distance).  On the other hand, any projector headlights will have sharp cut off and benefit other drivers from incoming traffict. 

As you can see, the halogen H7 in reflectors is still brighter than the brightest LED you can fit in projector headlights. This is from H7 in Golf 7. 

[Wooster]

On 1/3/2023 at 7:18 PM, AisinW said:

The shutter cuts 1/2 of the light in projector

This is so obvious when you say this!  As the shutter cuts of 50% of the light output, it's like driving behind 1960s pre-halogen lights.  Something like this:  holden.co.uk/p/12v-35-35w 

1)  Does this now silence the guys who say "there's nothing wrong with your headlight" ?

2)  Why was this design ever acceptable?  Who gained by making a bulb with one element?

 

 

[FROSTYBALLS]

53 minutes ago, Wooster said:

Who gained by making a bulb with one element?

Nothing wrong with bulbs with one element. We've had cars which use separate bulbs for low beam and high beam (eg. 2009 & 2012 Auris, etc). Headlights were fine.

The issue is where the same single element bulb is used in headlights for both beams and the mechanism for switching between beams is poorly designed.

Our current and previous I20 has H7s for the steering headlights and HB3s for both the low and high beam. No issues with these headlights.

[Wooster]

1 hour ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Nothing wrong with bulbs with one element. We've had cars which use separate bulbs for low beam and high beam...

Exactly my point.  Your low beam had full use of the entire output of the bulb.  (And your high beam had use of it's own bulb.)  My Auris has one bulb, but on low beam, 50% of the light output is prevented from reaching the road as the shutter stops it.  

[Cyker]

I suspect the projector bulbs are brighter to compensate for this. It'd be weird if you had 100% of the light output for the dipped beam anyway, as the dipped beam would look super bright, then when you switch to high-beam it'd look much dimmer as the same amount of light is spread over a bigger area.

 

[AisinW]

In projector headlight with shutter like in Auris and Corolla bi-LED, the high beam is only adding range as the shutter is opened. It does not change the low beam part patterns. 

The culprit in Yaris and Auris2 is the choice of using HIR2 philips longlife type with 1340 lumens.  If we replace it with regular HIR2 from Hella, Osram, or Philips xtreemvision, the 1870 lumens is not too bad.  I am fine with Hella bulbs and obly cost £8 x 2 and has life. 3 years/40k miles no issues. Auris1 can have D2S xenon 3600 lumens and make things much better.

[FROSTYBALLS]

3 hours ago, Wooster said:

Your low beam had full use of the entire output of the bulb.  (And your high beam had use of it's own bulb.)

In my Auris, yes. However, the i20s use the one single filament HB3 bulb for low and high beam (like the second generation Auris), and provide a good amount of lighting. 

26 minutes ago, AisinW said:

Auris1 can have D2S Xenon 3600 lumens and make things much better.

However, in the UK using HID bulbs in units designed for halogen would be an MOT fail (same for LED bulbs).

We've used halogen upgrade HIR2 bulbs in our Aygo, and the lighting was greatly improved.

[tomashen]

Did your aygo pass MOT? 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, tomashen said:

Did your aygo pass MOT? 

Of course it will if those lamps are U.K. legal. I have Osram Nightbreaker Halogen H4s fitted to replace the original Osram H4s. No M.o.T. issues with lights for the past 5 years. Except having to replace them last year because of the slightly reduced longevity. One "blew" so I replaced the pair at the same time.

[TonyHSD]

HIR are still halogen bulbs, right? If so , then no issue passing mot. Mot testers only look for LED as replacement of the standard bulbs. Not only for main headlights but perhaps for number plates, side lights and anything on exterior. Even on the good brands led package says interior use only. , and for a good reason. For people who are looking for improving visibility at night , stick to your oem type bulbs but buy the best ones and make sure your lights are all set correctly and lens and glasses are clear. Any other attempts to upgrade bulbs with led will not provide better visibility, only different colour light that in many cases is worse then original bulbs, just a bit stronger ( more intense). 

[AisinW]

The MOT test will always be fine because the bottom limit is very low. Yes it is never legal to fit the halogen bulb with anything else unless we change the whole headlights unit and fit all the requirements (>2000 lumens, sprayer and auto leveling).

I believe the bi-LED in Auris 2 is brighter than bi-LED in corolla because corolla has no sprayer nor autoleveling. The standard  HIR2 1870 lumens is the brightest halogen type for low and high beam. Only the HIR1 is brighter 2500 lumens, but it has shorter life. I think the socket is slightly different but HIR1 can be fitted to HIR2 socket with some trimming of the middle tab.