Yaris or Auris... Why is Auris dearer to run?

[Yarrison]

In a previous thread I was discussing the possibility of using my Yaris as a (very small!) camping car.  It occurred to me that I might upgrade to an Auris, which would give me just enough room to stretch out in the back but shouldn't be any more expensive to run.

However, after doing some comparisons on the Parkers Guide website, I find that an Auris model with the same engine as mine costs £165 p.a. to tax!  - Compared to the £30 for the Yaris.  The Auris is a group 10 insurance compared with 7 for the Yaris.

Looking at the engine specs I couldn't see any difference between the two models, unless I've missed something.  The only difference I can see between the two models, is the Auris being described as a 'Dual' 1.3 VVT-i TR.  I can't find anything that relates to the 'Dual' part of the description, so I'm hoping someone can explain it to me, bearing in mind I am a non-techy lady in her 70s!  so 'Car comparisons for idiots' are the order of the day, please!

 

 

[Hybrid21]

Hi Cynthia, most likely due to the higher emissions from the Auris which would put it into a higher tax band and thus more expensive to run overall.

The dual aspect is a reference to more modern technology used in engine of the Auris, but even with that the emissions are still in a higher band than the Yaris.

[FROSTYBALLS]

Bigger, heavier car (200kg more than the Yaris). CO2 emissions 136g/km (Auris) as opposed to 120g/Ikm (Yaris) puts the Auris into a higher vehicle tax band. 

Insurance groups can vary between insurers as the published groups are only advisory. Groups are decided taking the cost of repair, cost of parts and repair time, amongst other things, into account. A car which cost more new will be an indication of higher repair costs than a cheaper car.

[Bper]

Not sure what year you are looking to buy but we have a Auris 1.2T petrol automatic 2017 and it is £20 a year to tax.

 

[FROSTYBALLS]

49 minutes ago, Bper said:

Not sure what year you are looking to buy but we have a Auris 1.2T petrol automatic 2017 and it is £20 a year to tax.

Think the OP is looking at the first generation Auris 1.33 (2009-2012).

Presume your car was first registered before April 2017, as from 1st April 2017 a new vehicle tax system was introduced where only the first year was based on emissions and a flat rate was payable for subsequent years. E.g. For a car emitting 120g/km CO2, the first year would have been around £190 and further years currently £165.

[Cyker]

The 2009+ Yaris and the Auris have the same the 1.33 litre engine (The 1NR-FE). The 'Dual' VVTi is also the same on both, and just means it has the fancy variable valve timing on the intake AND exhaust valves - The previous engines only had it on the intake side.

The higher tax is higher purely because the Auris is a wider heavier vehicle, which means more drag and less fuel economy and that's just enough to push it into a higher tax bracket, as all pre-April 2017 cars were taxed by CO2 rating.

Everything post-2017 is taxed at a flat rate (I think we're up to £165 now?)

TBH I would't get the 1.33 for the Auris anyway - It's a bit underpowered and not fun to drive. The best engine for that car was the 1.4 diesel, but it's hard to recommend a diesel these days unless you do mega miles and don't go anywhere near a city ever (As they have all jumped on this ULEZ cash grab idea which is basically a penalty for drivers of diesels and old/classic petrol cars).

The 1.2T is a lot nicer to drive, but the one to get is the 1.8 hybrid. The only problem with them is the price of those has gone through the roof because of the 2nd hand car shortage, and because London is vacuuming up hybrids from all over the country because of the ULEZ forcing them to ditch their diesel cars they were previously tricked into buying!

 

[FROSTYBALLS]

11 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Everything post-2017 is taxed at a flat rate

The first year is CO2 based and subsequent years a flat rate.

[Cyker]

You forgot the 5 years premium tax for cars over £40k! (Sneakily kicking in on year 2 onwards to stop people trying to get dealers to pay more of it)! That's up to what, £350, 360 now?

 

[FROSTYBALLS]

15 minutes ago, Cyker said:

You forgot the 5 years premium tax for cars over £40k! (

Probably wouldn't have applied to the Auris though ...

[TonyHSD]

The first gen auris 2009-2012 petrol only better option is 1.6 engine. It’s more powerful, nicer to drive and has similar efficiency to 1.3 . The biggest advantage is lower oil consumption or no oil consumption at all vs 1.33 which are well known for been two stroke like oil drinkers. Auris is also heavier and roomier car. Yes the 1.8 hybrid is the best option especially when we are talking about practically and camping compatibility as rear seats is that car can fold complete flat like on latest Corolla giving you a beautiful long flat surface for carry cargo or matters for sleeping 🛌. Yaris it’s a bit on the smaller side for these purposes, although it will be cheaper for anything like tax, insurance, running cost. 

[Bper]

6 hours ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Think the OP is looking at the first generation Auris 1.33 (2009-2012).

Presume your car was first registered before April 2017, as from 1st April 2017 a new vehicle tax system was introduced where only the first year was based on emissions and a flat rate was payable for subsequent years. E.g. For a car emitting 120g/km CO2, the first year would have been around £190 and further years currently £165.

yes registered pre April 2017 

[Yarrison]

Thanks everyone for your helpful replies.  I do not understand the workings of the ICE/weight ratio issues so hadn't given a thought to the Auris being heavier, attracting a higher tax bracket.

By the way, someone mentioned before that the Yaris drinks oil like it's going out of fashion.  I've had mine just over a year and I haven't had to top up the oil at all so far.  However, I have only done 4K miles.... (I got out of the habit of using it regularly during lockdown and haven't reverted to my old habits yet!)

Someone asked about the age of the Yaris?  It's a 2010 model (registered in September)

 

[TonyHSD]

6 minutes ago, Yarrison said:

Thanks everyone for your helpful replies.  I do not understand the workings of the ICE/weight ratio issues so hadn't given a thought to the Auris being heavier, attracting a higher tax bracket.

By the way, someone mentioned before that the Yaris drinks oil like it's going out of fashion.  I've had mine just over a year and I haven't had to top up the oil at all so far.  However, I have only done 4K miles.... (I got out of the habit of using it regularly during lockdown and haven't reverted to my old habits yet!)

Someone asked about the age of the Yaris?  It's a 2010 model (registered in September)

 

You are very lucky with your Yaris then. Some other owners of Toyota 1.33 engines add a litre of oil per 1000 miles drive and according to Toyota manual that’s normal , but definitely it’s not. Perhaps a litre per 10000 miles for older car and higher mileage it’s fine. When you are looking at your next car with 1.33 engine or any other petrol engine, you can have look the exhaust and if dark and oily it will mean it’s an oil burner. 👍

[Cyker]

It was mainly the early engines, but I think if it's been looked after and not abused and had regular good oil the oil burning issue can be staved off; Mine was pretty bad, about a litre a month, but it was an early 2009 one, which was the first year to get the the 1.33. They may have already put in fixes for the late 2010 ones.