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[sufy]

Hi. 

I had an issue with my car starting in the morning today. It just wouldn't turn on and would shut off. After a few tries, the car is working now. 

Will it happen again and what should i do to resolve it?

 

Thanks 

[flash22]

What engine, auto, manual or hybrid ??

[sufy]

51 minutes ago, flash22 said:

What engine, auto, manual or hybrid ??

Petrol 1.5

[flash22]

Get the Battery tested, the change in weather, darker mornings/nights (lights), running the heater will kill a weakened Battery

[Mojo1010]

As above get the Battery check, it could be to do with your car usage, if it doesn't get driven with some regularity then the Battery doesn't get charged much. Or your Battery is weak and may need a change. My hybrid's 12v battery is over 6 years old and no problem to start even after being away for 10 days last month. 

[Max_Headroom]

Buy a cheap miltimeter from Halfords or somewhere similar before buying a replacement Battery as it may be the alternator that is faulty not the Battery, take it for a good drive to get some charge back into the Battery then follow the instructions in the video below and you will know for sure.

A mutlimeter has many uses in the home as well as for fault finding stuff on the car so it's not a one off waste of money and IIRC mine was under £10 and is the same as the one he uses in the video.

 

Halfords £8.50 

https://www.halfords.com/tools/hand-tools/all-hand-tools/rolson-digital-multimeter-710273.html

 

 

 

 

[Bernard Foy]

As the car is only three years old it would be unusual for a Battery to be buggered in so short a time. Or indeed for your alternator to give you trouble, if it is it might still be under warranty. If you visit any of your local auto shop they will test your Battery for you.

[Max_Headroom]

20 minutes ago, Bernard Foy said:

If you visit any of your local auto shop they will test your battery for you.

I am a bit of an old cynic with a huge mistrust of garages.

It's going to cost the price of a multimeter to get it tested and then you have to trust they are telling you the truth and not just trying to flog you a new Battery that you may not need, it could be that you make a lot of short journeys or a parasitic drain which not as uncommon as you may think on all cars that is causing the non-start, as its simple to test it yourself  following the instructions in the video  i would rather do it myself and know for sure.

[Derek.w]

Are you charging up the Battery from the mains then keep testing it for voltage at lets say 3 days then weekly dont let the voltage drop below 12.2 volts.

[flash22]

You can't test a Battery properly without a load test, as the current rises the voltage drops, you can do it on the car, but it will not tell you a great deal

Covid lockdown killed many a Battery, low charge and little use can almost half the CCA rating, anything under 9v is going to freak out the electronics

another common non start issue is the clutch switch, make sure your mats haven't moved up behind the pedal, if in doubt pump the clutch to the floor a few times

[Max_Headroom]

12 minutes ago, flash22 said:

You can't test a battery properly without a load test,

Is this part of the video not a load test?

 

 

[flash22]

You need the current draw at the same time as the voltage to calculate it, Battery testers have the algorithm built it

[Max_Headroom]

I was just trying to give the member help to see if it was the alternator or Battery the test in the video shows that, i tested mine in my last car and it turned out the Battery was fine but the alternator wasn't putting enough juice back in (see video where it jumps to 14+ volts) and that combined with short journeys meant i was having starting issues, once a new alternator was fitted and the Battery was charged i never had any more problems.

As i said i have a mistrust of back street garage having read enough horror stories about them ripping people off.

[sufy]

4 hours ago, Bernard Foy said:

As the car is only three years old it would be unusual for a battery to be buggered in so short a time. Or indeed for your alternator to give you trouble, if it is it might still be under warranty. If you visit any of your local auto shop they will test your battery for you.

I'll be taking the car to RRG Toyota in Huddersfield. They'll have a look at it there. Should i tell them anything they need to look at?

[sufy]

4 hours ago, Max_Headroom said:

I am a bit of an old cynic with a huge mistrust of garages.

It's going to cost the price of a multimeter to get it tested and then you have to trust they are telling you the truth and not just trying to flog you a new battery that you may not need, it could be that you make a lot of short journeys or a parasitic drain which not as uncommon as you may think on all cars that is causing the non-start, as its simple to test it yourself  following the instructions in the video  i would rather do it myself and know for sure.

I thought only diesel cars needed running every now and then for the dpf filter and petrol cars can be left alone for a while and not have any problems before driving again?

[sufy]

5 hours ago, Max_Headroom said:

Buy a cheap miltimeter from Halfords or somewhere similar before buying a replacement battery as it may be the alternator that is faulty not the battery, take it for a good drive to get some charge back into the battery then follow the instructions in the video below and you will know for sure.

A mutlimeter has many uses in the home as well as for fault finding stuff on the car so it's not a one off waste of money and IIRC mine was under £10 and is the same as the one he uses in the video.

 

Halfords £8.50 

https://www.halfords.com/tools/hand-tools/all-hand-tools/rolson-digital-multimeter-710273.html

 

 

 

 

Mine is not a hybrid, it's a 1.5 petrol. Does it need to keep getting driven? i thought diesel cars only had that problem of getting driven every now and then. 

[Bernard Foy]

Petrol cars that only do short runs are susceptible to Battery failure as starting and using heater fan radio etc will run down a Battery as it’s not driven for a long enough time to replace the charge which is taken out of the Battery. As a general rule a fully charged battery in a petrol car when not being used is less likely to run down as quickly as the 12 volt battery in a Hybrid car. Simply because it’s a bigger battery. 

[sufy]

8 hours ago, Bernard Foy said:

Petrol cars that only do short runs are susceptible to battery failure as starting and using heater fan radio etc will run down a battery as it’s not driven for a long enough time to replace the charge which is taken out of the battery. As a general rule a fully charged battery in a petrol car when not being used is less likely to run down as quickly as the 12 volt battery in a Hybrid car. Simply because it’s a bigger battery. 

So do i give my Yaris a bit of a drive to keep the Battery health in check and avoid this problem happening in the future?

[Mojo1010]

Either that or sit in the car for 20-30mins with the engine on if there is no particular trip that require a drive, not great for the environment though it charge the Battery a bit. Not sure on the warranty situation if doesn't car doesn't get use often. May want to consider a trickle charger.

[Trewithy]

Whilst I wash my car I leave it car in ready mode.   This way the hybrid Battery will charge the 12v Battery.  If this causes the hybrid to become low the engine will run for a few minutes to top-up the hybrid Battery.

[Bernard Foy]

4 hours ago, sufy said:

So do i give my Yaris a bit of a drive to keep the battery health in check and avoid this problem happening in the future?

Short answer YES, For at least 30 minutes, round trip of approximately 25miles. 

 

[sufy]

31 minutes ago, Bernard Foy said:

Short answer YES, For at least 30 minutes, round trip of approximately 25miles. 

 

How often?

[Bernard Foy]

38 minutes ago, sufy said:

How often?

Hard to say, that would depend on how often you start your car what electrical equipment you use, but at a rough estimate once a fortnight. That’s a guesstimate.

[Mojo1010]

Perhaps this might be your first car. In the winter drive at least 2x a week for maybe 30mins or more. If you are only able to drive once then the other time will have to sit in the car and let the engine run for around 20-30mins. This keeps the Battery topped up. As well when driving the parking brake isn't sticking for too long and the discs from rusting. 

[Cyker]

Huh that's weird, I didn't think the non-hybrid Yaris would be susceptible to the 12v Battery draining like the hybrid ones seem to be!