Stupid yoke

[Yugguy1970]

Sigh.

It was a crap idea in the 70s and it's still that now.

https://media.toyota.co.uk/a-glimpse-of-the-future-toyota-bz-compact-suv-concept-revealed

[Cyker]

Yeah... it's just daft; Literally trying to fix something that isn't broken. Even worse is it's steer by wire so you loose one of the last direct sensory connections the driver has to the road, and if the 12v conks out you loose all steering! Smeg knows how you'd get it on a recovery truck if that happened in an awkward spot!

I just don't get how a normal human could use it in day-to-day driving; How would you do lock-to-lock manoeuvres or fine steering with the same precision and fluidity as you can with a wheel?

What even are the benefits over a normal wheel??

The only way I'd even consider a yoke is if the car could also fly, or if it could drive itself, had buttons for Turbo Boost and Super Pursuit Mode, and kept sassing me while I was driving.

On the bright side I think they've come to their senses as the bz was originally only going to have the yoke, but not only does it come with a wheel the yoke idea seems to have been quietly brushed under the proverbial carpet, so hopefully this is a sudden outbreak of common sense and we won't have to deal with it...

 

[DerekHa]

Looking at that interior image reminds me very much of the Austin Allagro it first appeared with the "quartic" steering wheels. Didn't take long for even BLMC to drop them in favour of a more conventional steering impliment

Oooops showing my age now!

[Corollanutter]

12 minutes ago, DerekHa said:

Looking at that interior image reminds me very much of the Austin Allagro it first appeared with the "quartic" steering wheels. Didn't take long for even BLMC to drop them in favour of a more conventional steering impliment

Oooops showing my age now!

The good old Austin Aggro. The speediest thing was the rust...  

[DerekHa]

Only thing rustier than the Allagro was it's predecessor the good old Austin Morris 1100/1300!

Now I saw one a couple of weeks ago on the road actually being driven. Looked all gleaming so must have had a mini fortune spent on restoring it.

[DerekHa]

Made me go all nostalic now.

Had one the same colour too Harvest Gold, otherwise known as hot diarrhea.🤣

[Puglet]

Didn't the wheels fall off the Allegro as well.

Talking Harvest Gold rang a bell, think my sister's original Mini 1000 was that colour, happy to report that it also rusted in spectacular fashion. It was a great car to drive when it was working, just a shame it had most faults and expense/welding/rust of any car we ever owned.

[DerekHa]

My two Allagro's, never rusted to the degree my two 1100's did. I spent a fortune on the latter one welding the rear subframe mountings, the front trumpets, flitch plates, the sills and then there was the mechanicals as well!

Then again the Allagro's were somewhat newer.

 

[Corollanutter]

The underside of my Metro never rusted. There was too much oil leaking out of the engine and transmission to allow any rust to form. However, the top side was a totally different matter. I was SO happy when it got replaced by my first company car. No more weekends spent fixing the darned thing...

[DerekHa]

Ahhh! The good old days!

Well I say old, my first motor was around 1971 (ish). a 1950's Ford Prefect 100E. Awful thing, side valve engine, only 3 forward gears and if you needed the wipers on you daren't put your foot on the throttle or they stopped!

[Jimota]

That  Allegro steering wheel just brings a smile to my face.  A rubbish car but it had a lovely name.  The Morris Marina/Ital was in a different class though, especially the 1.8 TC!

[DerekHa]

Lol,  the Marina/Ital!

That thing was still using parts originally designed for the Morris Minor years earlier. You needed to have the boot loaded to get around a corner quick or you'd find the rear end breaking away and you were in trouble.

[Yugguy1970]

1 hour ago, Jimota said:

That  Allegro steering wheel just brings a smile to my face.  A rubbish car but it had a lovely name.  The Morris Marina/Ital was in a different class though, especially the 1.8 TC!

I had one.  Fastish for the time, rolled like a ferry.

[Cyker]

Good grief how old are you people?!  

It's a shame you're all so far apart as I'd love to listen to a group of you ramble on about this stuff wandering through the cars at something like the Enfield Car Pagent!  

I find I can't get the full effect from a lot of these older cars, having never actually driven most of them   It's always fun talking to some of the owners, esp. the ones who love them but know they're hair-raising death traps with the stories to prove it  

 

[DerekHa]

Oh god, don't ask Cyker!

What I will say is I've had more cars than I can count on my fingers and toes twice over plus a lot of yours! 😁

[FROSTYBALLS]

3 hours ago, Yugguy1970 said:

The Morris Marina/Ital was in a different class though, especially the 1.8 TC!

Remember the advertising slogan for the Marina 1.8TC - 'Fast, Faster, and Good Morning Officer'.

[Yugguy1970]

I'd love to have a drive of a Marina again but I know it would destroy my lovely memories of first car freedom as it's probably really bad to drive 🤣

[Hybrid21]

Allegro's got vroom, lots and lots of vroom, change into top 😃

Brings back memories of Austin Maxi, Hillman Avenger Tiger, Humber Sceptre, Triumph Dolomite Sprint, Ford Lotus Cortina, etc

Back in the day these cars had oodles of character which seems to be missing nowadays 😃

[DerekHa]

Oh yes I rember those ad's now.

Owned a few of those you mentioned Hybrid21, or at least got to drive them.

Also remember the Chrysler Alpine and Sunbeam from the mid 70's/80's or the Hillman Imp, liked the Imp it was very nippy around town, haven't seen any of those on the road in a very long time. The worse car I ever owned was a Triumph 1500 FWD, an absolute shed, everything was either rotten or breaking.

[Puglet]

My sister's Mini was our only brush with British Leyland, we went Ford after that, but that was just as underseal/rustproofing became a thing so the Ford cars did rot less. Saying that my Mum had an original Fiat 500 and a 600, and given their reputation to be fair they seemed to rust less and were more reliable than the Mini, but they didn't like our cold weather. 

Ahh the Hillman Imp, Mum had one those her first car I think but I was very small kid at the time, remember the Fiats more.

[FROSTYBALLS]

14 hours ago, DerekHa said:

my first motor was around 1971 (ish). a 1950's Ford Prefect 100E

Remember my one brother-in-law had the Ford Escort version of the 100E - day after he sold it the rear axle came off. People who think the Escort of 1968 was the Mk1 are wrong -

[DerekHa]

My dad owned an white Imp which I got to drive as it was around the time I passed my driving test. He didn't have a lot of problems with it as it had been an ex-demonstrator with only a few  miles on the clock. Came from George heath Motors when they first started located outside the old Rootes Car factory in Birmingham.

I bought one later but had issues with the engine, a burnt valve and also a failed thermostat which was a huge job needing the engine out to replace a very cheap part. Never understood why they had provided an access panel under the rear seat to tackle that.

10 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Remember my one brother-in-law had the Ford Escort version of the 100E - day after he sold it the rear axle came off. People who think the Escort of 1968 was the Mk1 are wrong -

Yes the old Ford 100E. Came in three flavours I think Was it the Popular, Prefect and the maybe Anglia, before the advent of the real classic 105E Anglia.

That Escort must have been the estate version of the 100E as I don't remember seeing many of them on the road.

[FROSTYBALLS]

13 minutes ago, DerekHa said:

That Escort must have been the estate version of the 100E as I don't remember seeing many of them on the road.

Yes - based on the van (Ford Thames). The plusher version was the Squire.

[DerekHa]

Oh this is a proper trip down memory lane! All them old names.

Our next door nieghbour had the 105E Anglia and one of the shop keepers around the corner had what I think was called the Ford Capri a really sleek coupe I admired back then.

[FROSTYBALLS]

The steering yoke isn't a new idea -