Goodbye for now

[Notfer]

So in an extremely unexpected turn of events, I'm departing ways with the Corolla.

It's a great car, not without it's niggles, but some are just too much to continue with.

Pros: 
Comfy
Easy to drive
Loads of space (touring sport)
Loads of tech
Enjoy it when it has enough Battery to warrant electric mode only

Cons:
Economy (Did 400 miles last week mainly on Motorways, and a steady 70/50 most of the way and returned a dismal 42mpg)
The reversing camera being static drives me nuts, and isn't calibrated properly.
Hi revs is more like screaming.

I know these are pretty minor cons, and these are strictly my opinion, so don't feel hurt if you disagree, but after my 400 mile round trip last weekend, I'd had enough.
I'm picking up an M235i Gran Coupe xDrive on Monday, which is very different gravy, but after my disappointed ownership, need a bit of fun back in my life.

Final notes:
It's been a pleasure being on here, the wealth of knowledge that forums like this offers is invaluable, and this is one of the friendlier forums I've been a part of - there's some proper clique ones out there.

Dealer wise, I'm so very disappointed with the customer service of Lindops Queensferry, pre collection, they were great, but when I've gone to sell my car, despite them making the first move in ringing as I'd requested a settlement, they've still not called me back, and I've been chasing them daily.
Considering it's less than a year old, and only done 5k miles, you'd have thought they'd jump at the chance. Perhaps they'll ring me on Monday, but that'll be too late.

 

Anyway, I hope you all have a great Christmas and many happy miles of motoring in you Corolla's

[FROSTYBALLS]

Best wishes and Merry Christmas.

[TonyHSD]

Thanks for sharing your experience and your thoughts about Corolla hybrid 👍

We all have different likes, priorities and circumstances around what we prefer to drive, how we drive and what we expect from our cars. BMW model certainly will deliver more on what Corolla failed to do and I wish you many trouble free miles in your new car 🚙👌😉

[Roy124]

With my Corolla I had to work really hard to break 60 but on one wet and mostly motorway I had to be satisfied with low 50s. 

Yesterday I did manage to get my Yaris Cross below 50 for the first time. 

As for fun though, I just loved my E220 driving like a brick on wheels with cruise control at a steady 100.  Amazing experience, rock steady and made 60 feel like 20 when I slowed down.  That was fun

Paras 1 and 2 mpg

Para 3 mph. 

[Mojo1010]

Corolla estate 2.0, doing fast speed road isn't great for fuel. A diesel would have suited better. 

[Cyker]

Yeah I believe the 2.0 is set up for a more aggressive power delivery at the cost of economy, to cater for people who found the 1.8 too slow.

Reminds me of the SR180 Auris diesel - We had a lot of people here complaining about how bad the mpg was for a diesel!!

I suspect it's possible to get better mpg out of it, but it would require a lot of self-discipline with the accelerator and probably some truck-trailing on the motorway. With all the hybrids, the fuel use goes up dramatically if you accelerate past the Eco+ zone and into the Power zone, and this is especially true of the newer ones that will switch to the thirstier Otto-cycle mode under high demand!

 

[AndrueC]

13 hours ago, Cyker said:

Yeah I believe the 2.0 is set up for a more aggressive power delivery at the cost of economy, to cater for people who found the 1.8 too slow.

People with a heavy right foot will always pay for it. Acceleration requires energy and energy comes from fuel.

There are two tricks to fuel efficiency and they apply to all vehicles:

* Retain kinetic energy for as long as possible - avoid using the brakes.

* Realise that high speed and acceleration rarely makes much difference to the overall journey time. The risks to the occupants and wear and tear to the vehicle mean that good drivers avoid both.

A competent driver can travel all over the UK and Europe using less than 100bhp. Those who need more are just wasting fuel and money.

[Roy124]

AndrueC, and anticipate when potential energy may be converted to kinetic at minimal cost. 

No prizes for topping a rise at full chat. Toyota even says to drop your speed (or allow to decay) by 5 mpg as you ascend. 

 

[flash22]

Get a Gsm/GPS/RF tracker on the new BMW, and don't rely on the factory one, Automatrix do a good sold secure/Thatcham device as the M2 is an extremely highly targeted car,

keep it in warranty as the x drive is fragile as a poundland pint glass

MPG throw it out the window with the beemer

[Notfer]

8 minutes ago, flash22 said:

Get a Gsm/GPS/RF tracker on the new BMW, and don't rely on the factory one, Automatrix do a good sold secure/Thatcham device as the M2 is an extremely highly targeted car,

keep it in warranty as the x drive is fragile as a poundland pint glass

MPG throw it out the window with the beemer

Thanks for the tips on the tracker - I'll look into that.
I've taken out an extended warranty anyway as it's a supremely larger price than anything I've ever bought before, and just want to be extra cautious.

MPG wise, not even an issue - although when I took it for a test drive, and gave it a good thrashing I was still seeing mid 30's which I was pleasantly shocked, especially when I was expecting, and still am high 20's!

I hope to return to Toyota though, I'm not discouraged, and there's some really nice looking cars in the pipeline.

[Mojo1010]

Having had diesel and hybrid for the last 10 years, getting 60-70mpg in the summer, cannot go to a mid 30s car. The M235 will sure be fun, nice when one can afford it. A new MK4 Yaris will do me 😁

[AndrueC]

1 hour ago, Roy124 said:

AndrueC, and anticipate when potential energy may be converted to kinetic at minimal cost. 

No prizes for topping a rise at full chat. Toyota even says to drop your speed (or allow to decay) by 5 mpg as you ascend.

Yup. I often drop the car into EV mode to crest a rise as I do for bends.

[AndrueC]

Mid 30s mpg? Utterly appalling. My first car was bought in 1989 and was a knackered Austin Mini. Drank ridiculous amounts of oil and failed it's first MoT (scrapped in fact). But I have never owned a vehicle that I couldn't get 45mpg out of and as a driver I'd be ashamed to ever see a fill up return that bad a figure.

There is no excuse for it. It's just poor planning, impatience and lack of thought and ability. Otherwise known as bad driving.

[Roy124]

In late 60s I am ashamed to say I did a 360 miles round trip, 6 hours and did not need to refill my 11.8 g tank - Triumph 1300. 

[TonyHSD]

I have seen a lots of Corolla drivers and particularly the 2.0 ones in both hatchback and touring sport variants to drive exactly opposite to what Toyota hybrids like to be driven and me think, do you really enjoy that , would you not be better with a golf R or similar , Octavia rs ?
Toyota hybrids with power split device transmission are anything but fast cars. Even Lexus with 3.5 V6 engines are pretty much same as Prius , just a bit quicker due to the larger size engine. These cars aren’t designed for spirited driving at all. They does not like constant high speeds or constant engine loads, even if they are fitted with bigger engines. The 2.0 Corolla is just slightly more agile than the 1.8 to provide smoother and quieter drive when loaded but that extra power doesn’t make it different than Prius at all or any more faster., plus all that comes at the price of 10mpg less. 

[Mojo1010]

16 minutes ago, Roy124 said:

In late 60s I am ashamed to say I did a 360 miles round trip, 6 hours and did not need to refill my 11.8 g tank - Triumph 1300. 

Try a 7.93g tank and not refilling for over 400 miles. I'm sure cyker will come along with 500 miles - which to be fair the MK4 Yaris can achieve.

Edit: At least a generation below 😛

[bigblock]

It takes a certain type of driver with a certain mind set on driving in general to get the best out of a Toyota hybrid. Lead boots and boy racers go elsewhere. Someone who drives sensibly and reads the road ahead and considerate to other drivers and keeps to the speed limits. This is how you get the best mpg if this is your goal. Not many drivers can do this or even willing to do this these days. Just look at the money that's made with speed camera's. This says it all.

[Notfer]

23 hours ago, AndrueC said:

Mid 30s mpg? Utterly appalling. My first car was bought in 1989 and was a knackered Austin Mini. Drank ridiculous amounts of oil and failed it's first MoT (scrapped in fact). But I have never owned a vehicle that I couldn't get 45mpg out of and as a driver I'd be ashamed to ever see a fill up return that bad a figure.

There is no excuse for it. It's just poor planning, impatience and lack of thought and ability. Otherwise known as bad driving.

The mid 30s was for the BMW....there's no excuse for assuming, it's called reading.

[Notfer]

Anyway, as I said at the beginning, these views are my own, and you are obviously all entitled to yours. So don't come at me with your assumptions about my driving styles, just because you're experiencing something different, and clearly enjoy driving yours.

This was a post to say adios and thank you, rather for critique and roasting.

 

[AndrueC]

2 hours ago, Notfer said:

The mid 30s was for the BMW....there's no excuse for assuming, it's called reading.

I know it was and I consider it appalling. Whether it's the driver or the car that kind of fuel consumption should be banned in private transport vehicles unless they are towing something.

[Mojo1010]

Adiós, enjoy your M2, no doubt u will. 

New Yaris would be a big step up for me from my old one. Better mpg to pay for the 140 road tax. 

 

[Cyker]

I'm glad you're getting the AWD one after seeing how many RWD BMWs had slid off the road today!!  

Mid-30's is not bad for a car like that if you've been thrashing it; Usually the mpg drops far lower than the official when you start giving it the beans! Even the GR4 will quickly drop into the 20's when on a thrash, and that's only rated for about 40 normally!! (That's the price you pay for squeezing nearly 300hp out of a 1.6 3-pot I guess!)

It's one of the things I love about the Mk4; Even taking it on a hoon around country roads doesn't impact the mpg that much and it quickly recovers once I get back to normal driving!

Be interested to see what sort of mpg you get when not thrashing it tho'!!

 

On 12/11/2022 at 1:24 PM, Mojo1010 said:

Try a 7.93g tank and not refilling for over 400 miles. I'm sure cyker will come along with 500 miles - which to be fair the MK4 Yaris can achieve.

Edit: At least a generation below 😛

Pfft, 500 miles? Try 800!  

Not in the Mk4 tho; That was my best recorded tank in my old beloved Mk1 D4D! 40-something litre tank, and carting relatives and luggage all over the place at a time where they were going mad with 50-zones everywhere due to motorway road works, which helped a lot I suspect!

While the hybrids are good, you just can't beat the sheer range of a cruising diesel engine. I've read about hypermilers breaking a grand in that car too   (Clearly had a lot more self-discipline than I do!!  )

 

[Rhymes with Paris]

One of the best cars on ice and snow that I had was the old flying pig MK4 zephyr, it was rwd , but I reckon the sheer weight of the thing kept it steady.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, I have maybe mentioned this before.🤔

[Cyker]

Oooh that is a cool-looking car  

It's funny as we were talking about how our parents cars seemed to do better in the snow and ice when we were kids, and someone reckoned that's because old tyres narrower and were technically all-season tyres, while the whole wider 'summer tyre' thing is relatively recent (If you can call a couple of decades recent...)

I'd be too scared to drive a RWD car in the snow these days after seeing how many of them seem to loose the back end at the drop of a hat!!  

[Rhymes with Paris]

39 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Oooh that is a cool-looking car  

It's funny as we were talking about how our parents cars seemed to do better in the snow and ice when we were kids, and someone reckoned that's because old tyres narrower and were technically all-season tyres, while the whole wider 'summer tyre' thing is relatively recent (If you can call a couple of decades recent...)

I'd be too scared to drive a RWD car in the snow these days after seeing how many of them seem to loose the back end at the drop of a hat!!  

Well,we did not have the black painted on thin strip of rubber on 22 inch wheels then. 

And that old rwd only lost traction if you booted it when slippy.

It had a 2.5 litre V6 if I remember.

It was a big old tank, but very comfy and roomy, the petrol filler was behind the rear number plate, which hinged down.

I think over all , it was a good car.

Perhaps the 15 mpg would be not be acceptable nowadays, but yes it was cool.