Any acceptable way to pump up the 1.0 engine ?

[haelewyn]

Installing turbo's and supercharger costs a fortune and would make you decide to buy an other car with a bigger engine.

Thought about it ... 
Chiptuning doesn't seem to give a reasonable result. I just found the tuning possibilities for the old 68 hp version which brings it to around 72 hp.
That's what is stock now.. So , no gain.

Air filters / changing the air intake won't make a huge difference I guess.

Anybody else here saw a decent way to get the job done (cost low enough and result convincing enough/ no huge wear factor after installation) ?

 

[flash22]

I thought you had a new car on order.................

The basics of engine tuning - air in, air out, add fuel

Air in - air filter or intake

Air out - a freer flowing exhaust

Add fuel - remap to suit the modifications

10-15 bhp is likely to be €1000

 

Not sure if there are any legal requirements with modifications in France

[Bernard Foy]

16 minutes ago, flash22 said:

I thought you had a new car on order.................

The basics of engine tuning - air in, air out, add fuel

Air in - air filter or intake

Air out - a freer flowing exhaust

Add fuel - remap to suit the modifications

10-15 bhp is likely to be €1000

 

Not sure if there are any legal requirements with modifications in France

Insurance company will have to be informed of any and all modifications to your car, otherwise your insurance will be null and void.

[haelewyn]

34 minutes ago, flash22 said:

I thought you had a new car on order.................

Yes sir. I do have a new one on order.
Made the decision to buy the AYGO X because of many improvements, the low extra cost to get it. But still the engine is one of the weak spots and that didn't change.

I found the 1800 cc hybrid 2015 also way to weak, by the way.
I think they only sell Corolla's in hybrid version here now.
And was thinking if there is a way I am overseeing to make the engine power a bit more on the Aygo.

Will probably be not existant or not affordable, but it makes me able to talk about cars a bit more. And listen to what others have to say about it.

I have been asking a company about installing a turbo or a supercharger. That would increase power in the aygo X a lot but would be an insurance issue. And it's unaffordable 🙂
No idea what packages are sold then for the intake / Air filter.
No idea about exhausts either but I only want one if it makes the car more silent. I don't want a Ferrari sound , etc

[flash22]

Not sure on the euro requirements as EU countries rules and regs are very different

[Mojo1010]

Aygo a city car or mainly local and medium distance driving. I find the MK3 Yaris 99 bhp not enough for higher medium-long distances from 200 miles return with a full load. Below that it manage okay, 100 miles return. 

The MK4 Yaris would have been a better choice with 114-116 bhp, but that cost quite a bit more. 

[forkingabout]

There's always this option 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/you-can-buy-a-toyota-gr-corolla-crate-engine-but-its-tricky

[Cyker]

There isn't really a way to boost the power without a lot of time and money going into it. The closest thing I can think of is the old Blitz supercharger kit Fensport used to sell, but that was something like £6k already!

TBH I think the Aygo engine is fine, you just need to get used to running it to higher revs but that will obviously use more fuel; Not really a way around that.

If you can wait long enough I reckon they will eventually put the Yaris drivetrain in the Aygo; Maybe not the current one, but despite their protestations I reckon it's very likely they will eventually, esp. to the aygox. The previous arguments against it - It's not big enough and it's targeted as a super-affordable car - have gone out the window; The only thing stopping it is if they're worried it will enroach on Yaris sales, but I have a horrible feeling the Mk4 may be the last real Yaris and from here onward they will only make stupid SUV versions, which will open that space for a hybrid aygox.

Hopefully I'm wrong tho', as I absolutely hate this needless trend to bigger and more bloated cars...

 

As for horsepower, it's a deceptive number - The figure to really find out how a car is to drive is the torque figure, and at what RPM it hits that torque. The horsepower figure is meaningless in the real world unless you are tracking the car. My Mk2 supposedly had 100HP, but my Mk1 D4D, which 'only' had 74HP, *destroyed* it in real world usage.

That's the thing that makes low-displacement diesels and cars with electric motors feel so much better than you'd think from the numbers - They have loads of torque throughout the normally used rev range, whereas small petrols, NA ones especially, need 3000+rpm to even start to build torque.

 

[Mojo1010]

Especially the hybrid, the 99bhp never really get a real use as it hardly reach that max power, meaning need more! I do missed the diesel torque and drive however u like, still get good mpg. One day I will need the 2.0 hybrid 🙂

[Cyker]

Don't worry, the Mk4 should be enough  

They've gotten the balance pretty much perfect with this as the engine and MG2 have more than enough pull for the weight of the car and it always feels like it has pull when you want it.

I took it on the motorway earlier and was just having fun effortlessly overtaking people and then slotting back into the 'slow' lane  

Ironically the mpg has been creeping up even while I was doing this; Was at 50mpg (curse you sub-zero snowy weather!) but had gone up to 58 by the time I'd gotten home after caning it along the M1 and M25  

I think the fast run did it good as it's been behaving very weird lately, with the ICE running a lot more than it usually does. I had just assumed it was the cold, but this week has been a lot milder and it was still doing it, but after I got off the motorway it seems to be more back to its normal self!

 

[flash22]

TBH most mass production cars are eco cars, doing anything to a brand-new car voids the warranty, the Aygo x is so new that the aftermarket will take an age to produce anything and that's only if the demand is there

Also if you have the car on PCP or lease you don't own the vehicle, so you can't modify it what so over

[Puglet]

Agree about the 'thru rev range' range improvements, on previous cars that's what I noticed more  useable day to day than the normal quoted top end gains, so worth it for that alone. To be fair in the right conditions, ours is quite nippy and fun so just accepted ours for what it is and modded ours in other ways. 

I do remember many years ago a guy in Europe fitted a celica 1.8L or 2.0L into his 107, was an epic job, but he did it so respect for that, but proved what can be done. No idea what it drove like either?

As for turbo/supercharging unless I knew the original engine could take it, I wouldn't bother, never heard of anyone bragging that their turbo/supercharger monster bug had hit 100k! unlike the many stock versions. 

[Cyker]

Well there is the Aygo Crazy, which was a one-off Toyota built that was a 200hp RWD mid-engined deathtrap    

[Bernard Foy]

26 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Well there is the Aygo Crazy, which was a one-off Toyota built that was a 200hp RWD mid-engined deathtrap    

When I first read the header on the post, I immediately had this crazy image of unscrewing a spark plug and inserting the tube of the air compressor, I guess it’s my warped sense of humour 🤣😂🤭

[TonyHSD]

1.8 hybrid is twice more powerful than Aygo. The Aygo is simply a city runaround, not a car for motorway journeys. Even Yaris is too small while Corolla is much better and perhaps an entry level for longer trips, although still a small car and not as refined as some bigger models. Trying to rise power will only shorten th elite of your engine , the efficiency and also the warranty if you do that on your new car. I personally don’t see the point of doing that really. And btw the sport air filter does absolutely nothing except more engine noise. Adding turbo without upgrading the internals will weld the bearings and destroy the little motor. 

[Rhymes with Paris]

Some years ago, talking to other owners of the Lexus is 200, some of whom had spent £000s on engine mods.

It soon became apparent that the cheapest and most effective way of increasing power, was to sell your 150 bhp is 200, and buy a 200 bhp is 300.

Not Aygo territory I know, but I reckon generally buy a car that will do what you want it to do, rather than spend a lot of money, and grief,on turning a car into what it is not.

[haelewyn]

I know what you are saying is good advice.
But still I wanted the 'low cost' of the Aygo, the size and dito convenience, and most of all the consumption and low taxes.

I wouldn't consider buying a double priced car with better performance engine any more. For me, it's not worth it any more. I am looking at years to come with less than 7000 miles.
It took me about half a year to get used to the Aygo but now I got used to it, I'm gonna keep on driving the newer Aygo X for some years to come.

I bought a rather high spec Aygo X (still to be delivered). Even the extra price for a full spec Yaris would be a place I don't want to go.
 

[PCM]

12 hours ago, Rhymes with Paris said:

Some years ago, talking to other owners of the Lexus is 200, some of whom had spent £000s on engine mods.

It soon became apparent that the cheapest and most effective way of increasing power, was to sell your 150 bhp is 200, and buy a 200 bhp is 300.

Not Aygo territory I know, but I reckon generally buy a car that will do what you want it to do, rather than spend a lot of money, and grief,on turning a car into what it is not.

Maybe... it's sometimes down to the personal satisfaction of achieving it one's self? 

[haelewyn]

One thing that would be nice is to electrify the car in 12 years or so.   🙂

This company seems to be starting to do several models.
Aygo is not one of them yet. Aygo X even less.

 

https://transition-one.fr/en/?utm_medium=email&_hsmi=238710960&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-94PmWTYupNKZSwAbGC2zWUYTSKXh2-x7CsIebGyS0TBe1AHeskvY2QTr8onnoR-r4VYuicHxhQ-PRxIg_JC5He5OWIzQ&utm_content=238710960&utm_source=hs_email

 

[Cyker]

I think you'll be waiting for those improved batteries same as me if you want a conversion that goes more than 80 miles  

 

[haelewyn]

Just read an article today that announced the first new solid state batteries being shipped.

An aygo X being a toyota : it gives me some time I can wait until the engine needs to be replaced. 

[flash22]

On 12/22/2022 at 11:37 AM, PCM said:

Maybe... it's sometimes down to the personal satisfaction of achieving it one's self? 

Car modification is an ego boost to some, other it's over compensation for lack of sizable assets or a midlife crisis

[Cyker]

But it can be fun! It's like grown up Lego!  

If it wasn't for the insurance I think I'd be more inclined to do some modifications (Well, I suppose technically I have with the 15" rims!  ), but because this is used for work and needs business insurance and they seem to really punish you for any sort of modification!

It's funny as I have friends in the USA and they seem much freer to modify their cars; I guess insurance is less punitive for that sort of thing there??

[haelewyn]

1 hour ago, flash22 said:

Car modification is an ego boost to some, other it's over compensation for lack of sizable assets or a midlife crisis

  Sounds like I need to explain myself now...  😁

Reason for the question in my case was that I was doubting if there was some very affordable way to make the car go faster thet i forgo about (and there isn't).

But you didn't include that in your list. 😅

I considered the options you gave and, if I am limited to your list, have come to the conclusion that in my case it must be a midlife crisis. 🤣

The same crisis makes me want to buy an other car yearly but my stingyness luckily often prevents me from making the idea into a reality.

A previous experience with a 1,2 tce renault where the engine was replaced at 20000 miles by an other not reliable one (oil dillution from beginning) made stingyness come first in my decision making model for many years to come.

If I could mod the engine with a simple removable box, there would not be any insurance implecations here. Nor would a different exhaust, inlet, etc.

Since the car has no turbo, I guess the options are little.

Given the earlier experience, I am less keen also on the direct injected, turbo engines, etc.

So...  assets are ok. Ego wouldn't grow after making the aygo x go faster.😜

I can afford a camry. But don't want to spend my money on an oversized car that will do a couple of thousand miles a year.

[Puglet]

Back in the day, think it was Dreamscience who had map box and you switch between maps depending on mood, circumstances, etc.  That was quite unique back in the day, but mainstream now, even manufacturers do it.