Guys ! , are governments and globalists mentally ill and retarded?

[Mike 2121]

Because they expect us to get rid of our cars and just fly around to work and board meetings with our superman capes.

Im sure twenty years ago, governments and globalists didn't care about total control, but they now want to totally control, track and trace every human every second of every day.

Even if public transport was improved twenty fold, it would still be so inconvenient because we couldn't go back and forth 'when we want ', we would be, what's the word 🤔, beholden to a bus time table.

Soz for the rant, its just a one off 😃😃

[flash22]

You need more water with your gin

[Crustyoldavensis]

Twenty years ago the technology didn’t exist take total control in a subversive manner. Some countries tried doing it a less subversive way with guns and the like.

Governments haven’t changed, technology has.

[Jimota]

Years ago, when I felt the world was hoping mad, I always used to reach into my pocket and produce a packet of Hamlet cigars.  After a few whiffs, everything seemed so much better.  For those of you who are old enough, I always remember the haunting Hamlet cigar theme music which was very clever and entertaining.  Of course, like smoking, petrol and diesel powered cars are now seen as demons and if you don’t move the times you will be left behind.  Power to the Toyota Hybrid!

 

 

[Jimota]

Forgot to say, I gave up smoking over 30 years ago.  One of the best decisions I ever made.

[FROSTYBALLS]

All part of the rich tapestry of life, I'm afraid.

[Jimota]

Just in case some of the younger members don’t know anything about Hamlet cigars or the theme tune.  In accordance with the government heath regulations I am not in any way recommending anyone to take up or continuing smoking.

[Cyker]

Fun fact: The tune in that advert is called "Air On a G String" *juvenile snicker*

 

[Jimota]

There were a number of adverts during that time, one of which showed a spectator at a tennis match.  Absolutely hilarious.  How times have changed.

[Saxmaniac]

And comedians were even allowed to be funny back then 

[Yugguy1970]

Meh, I'd like cleaner air in cities.  Why is that so bad?

[Jimota]

The famous Charles Darwin recognised that change is essential.  His old statement “Adapt or Die” is still as relevant today as it was back in his time.

[Roy124]

13 hours ago, Jimota said:

Forgot to say, I gave up smoking over 30 years ago.  One of the best decisions I ever made.

Two of my bosses made great play of relaxing with a hamlet as if demonstrating control and mastery of their job. 

Neither of them retired. 

[Roy124]

44 minutes ago, Jimota said:

The famous Charles Darwin recognised that change is essential.  His old statement “Adapt or Die” is still as relevant today as it was back in his time.

A few years ago, after I retired, I decided to limit my engagement with modern Tech.  Accordingly I never indulge in Farcebook and avoid the rabbit hole of IP addresses and programming. 

I now tend to disengage from TV as well 😁

[Markyswan]

1 hour ago, Yugguy1970 said:

Meh, I'd like cleaner air in cities.  Why is that so bad?

Nothing wrong with wanting clean air it's just the way they go about trying to achieve it.

[Cyker]

5 hours ago, Yugguy1970 said:

Meh, I'd like cleaner air in cities.  Why is that so bad?

I also would - I don't enjoy being stuck behind an old diesel bus stinking up my car when we're supposed to be in a ULEZ either, and that's kinda the point - This excuse about cleaner air is just a straw man argument they're using to screw motorists out of money; Nothing they have done under this banner of 'cleaner air' - The ULEZ, the LTNs, CPZ expansions, 20mph zones, signal timing changes - has made any big difference, and in some cases has actually made it worse, but has generated huge amounts of extra income for them.

I'd always suspected this, but it's been even more stark - The first ULEZ expansion didn't generate anywhere near the revenue KHAAAAN! had expected, showing that people have moved to newer 'cleaner' vehicles (despite him still allowing old diesel busses and taxis in the zone...).

You'd think he would have been happy with that, if his goal was truly to give London 'cleaner air', but instead he's blaming the shortfall in his finances on us and is pushing to extend the ULEZ *again* up to the M25, in a bid to try and catch out even more motorists.

Worse yet, his own study has shown that the improvement in air quality was tiny, esp. compared to the huge amount of money he's wasted on this pet project - Money that could have gone towards keeping bus services running instead of closing down routes, and improving the Tube - but when questioned about this he declined to recognize that study - His own study!!

This is just further evidence that it's nothing but a cash grab on us drivers and this spiel about it being about air quality and the environment is just a deceitful lie to justify his cash grab.

The worst thing is these false pretences just make it that much harder for people who are actually doing things to improve the environment, as people get increasingly poisoned against such ideas because of the lies!

[Wooster]

1 hour ago, Cyker said:

extend the ULEZ *again* up to the M25,

The ULEZ will be extended to the outer fringes of every London Borough.  Big chucks of Surrey (Esher, Caterham) Hertfordshire (Watford) etc are inside the M25 but won't be in ULEZ.  

Incidentally, I put the registration number of my (sold ages ago) 1999 Toyota Corolla into the TFL ULEZ checker and it met the spec' for not paying the ULEZ charge. So, as a 20+ year old car doesn't pay the ULEZ charge, I wonder how much pollution a car has to produce to be forced to pay it?  

[TonyHSD]

21 hours ago, Mike 2121 said:

Because they expect us to get rid of our cars and just fly around to work and board meetings with our superman capes.

Im sure twenty years ago, governments and globalists didn't care about total control, but they now want to totally control, track and trace every human every second of every day.

Even if public transport was improved twenty fold, it would still be so inconvenient because we couldn't go back and forth 'when we want ', we would be, what's the word 🤔, beholden to a bus time table.

Soz for the rant, its just a one off 😃😃

Simple answer: 

- They are indeed 👌👍

[Cyker]

21 minutes ago, Wooster said:

The ULEZ will be extended to the outer fringes of every London Borough.  Big chucks of Surrey (Esher, Caterham) Hertfordshire (Watford) etc are inside the M25 but won't be in ULEZ.  

Incidentally, I put the registration number of my (sold ages ago) 1999 Toyota Corolla into the TFL ULEZ checker and it met the spec' for not paying the ULEZ charge. So, as a 20+ year old car doesn't pay the ULEZ charge, I wonder how much pollution a car has to produce to be forced to pay it?  

You're lucky - Toyota were ahead of the curve and your Corolla probably *just* makes Euro4 I assume. Not so many cars of that era from other marques are as lucky, and the scheme disproportionately targets diesels (You know, the diesels his party encouraged us all to buy en masse in the first place?). I had to get rid of my Mk1 diesel Yaris, which was taxed at £30 on the old CO2-emissions based tax scheme, while another person I know could keep their 3 litre V6 that was costing them over £500 a year on tax. So there's that.

Another problem is there are a lot of people with 'classic' cars up here which are not classified as classic cars - e.g because they are imported or not quite old enough yet, and it's going to hit them. I don't know how they're going to run things like the Enfield Car Pageant in the future as nobody will be able to get to the site without being shaken down by the extension to the extension ULEZ.

Actually I just remembered another stupid thing that resulted - One of the effects they found with the first ULEZ extension was average CO2 levels actually went up, as people retrograded from newer lower-CO2 diesels, to older petrols with much higher CO2, as those were the only things people could afford that were still compliant.

This is partly why hybrid and petrol car prices have shot up so much, as people in London has been vacuuming them up to avoid the daily charge.

The funny thing is he said that, after the first extension, he had no plans to extend it further, yet here we are.

 

[Wooster]

32 minutes ago, Cyker said:

after the first extension, he had no plans to extend it further

It was a politicians promise.  What else did you expect?   

[Cyker]

3 minutes ago, Wooster said:

It was a politicians promise.  What else did you expect?   

Obviously I expected exactly what happened. That doesn't make it any more acceptable.

[Mike 2121]

😃😃👍👍

[AisinW]

Probably we all need £50 ticket per month for public transport ticket that valid the whole UK, just like some EU countries did to reduce the pain of inflation. Drive less and cycle2work scheme is one of what I missed since I left UK. Unfortunately, not all offices have shower room in UK. 

[Wooster]

Perhaps this isn't really the place to discuss the politics of it all, but the ULEZ expansion may not happen:  

getsurrey.co.uk/news/ulez-expansion-near-surrey-border

[Guest]

Where I live there was an hourly bus "service" which I have sometimes used. "They" want us to use public transport, fine if was efficient and affordable. Oh, hang on, that local bus "service" ceased last September.

There's an elderly man in my road who has no car, not allowed to drive, poor eyesight, took that bus every week to do his Asda shop. That Asda and other shops are 5 miles away. He now has to be driven to Asda or have someone use their car to buy his shopping.

In answer to the thread title, yes.